Speculation: Roster Building Thread V (2019/2020)

[Avery16]

Can someone refresh my memory on what happens to the cap if we bury Smith in the AHL this year? Does that open up enough to sign ADA at his demands just to get this saga behind us?

 

[MrPodz]

I have a feeling next year we are gonna be a powerhouse. Also feel this year is last year of ruff. I think brady is going to be inconsistent and have games where we are like wow hes good and games where we are like what the f*** is he doing. Kakko is gonna do amazing, we just cant believe it because we never had this high of a pick. Keep in mind too kakko was cited as more nhl ready and he should have more of an impact this year as a result. Panarin showed us 12 minutes of a superstar last night and mika is going to do great with him. Kakko on the 2nd line gives us an offensive catalyst for our 2 lines too.

 

[mulli25]

He was a contributing factor to the Rangers not being very competitive in games last year

So i suppose we owe him a thank you then

 

[NYR Viper]

I would rather deal Buch and keep Kreider...contingent on Kreider being willing to sign a 5 year deal. I think Kreider’s style of game adds more diversity to the other types of players in the lineup moving forward. You have a ton of skill in Panarin, Kakko, and Kravtsov on the wings. You have skill in Zib and Chytil down the middle. You need a mixed bag. Kreider is a guy who goes to the net and is not a perimeter player. Andersson and Lemmy are also of that ilk. Kreider showed last night his speed and physicality is very much there.

I hope Buch has a fantastic year, increasing his trade value so that we can use him as a trade chip to get into the Top 10 of the 1st round. Maybe we package him with our 1st to move up further and get the Center we want for the future. I think Buch at his age would have more value to allow us to get into that top 10. Which we may need to do because IF we make the playoffs youre looking at our own pick being in the 20s.

I'd rather move both. I am not a fan, at all, of giving Kreider even a 5 year deal.

I do agree that the team could use a couple of players who relish the dirty work and can dig out pucks. I see that as a bit of a unique skill in this organization overall. In saying that, I feel that Lemieux and Andersson could be those types of guys. Perhaps they are able to make a move for another guy in that mold who can compliment their high skill forwards.

Panarin-Zibanejad-Kakko
______-Chytil-Kravtsov
Lemieux-Andersson-_____
______-______-______

That leaves:
Kreider
Buch
Howden
Fast
Nieves
Strome
Namestnikov

Those are the guys I see as either solid placeholders, trade chips or other.

 

[E-Train]

Can see a bunch of things out of just the first preseason game. The forwards will carry whatever success the team has this season. Defense could be a big problem. No ADA and Skjei getting first pair minutes is not a good way to start the season. That’s not even counting the wonder twin getting plenty of ice time.

Will be a lot of fun to watch but I’m seeing a punchers chance at Byfield vs. a playoff team.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'd rather move both. I am not a fan, at all, of giving Kreider even a 5 year deal.

I do agree that the team could use a couple of players who relish the dirty work and can dig out pucks. I see that as a bit of a unique skill in this organization overall. In saying that, I feel that Lemieux and Andersson could be those types of guys. Perhaps they are able to make a move for another guy in that mold who can compliment their high skill forwards.

Panarin-Zibanejad-Kakko
______-Chytil-Kravtsov
Lemieux-Andersson-_____
______-______-______

That leaves:
Kreider
Buch
Howden
Fast
Nieves
Strome
Namestnikov

Those are the guys I see as either solid placeholders, trade chips or other.

Buch will have A LOT more value than a 'UFA to be', Kreider. It does make sense to keep Kreider over Buch IMO.

Gorton has options....

 

[NYR Viper]

Buch will have A LOT more value than a 'UFA to be', Kreider. It does make sense to keep Kreider over Buch IMO.

Gorton has options....

Trading both seems like the prudent and smart long term plan. Especially if Chytil or Andersson eventually are primed to move to wing. That would leave Panarin, Kravtsov, Kakko, Andersson/Chytil, Lemieux. This assumes no one else pushes for a spot or no UFA is signed. They have the depth on the wing.

Again I agree they should be looking for 1-2 more guys who play the game like Kreider. A guy who can use size to win battles and dig out pucks. In saying that, I'm not okay paying $7m for 5 years (and I still don't know why he takes that) for Kreider.

 

[BBKers]

Panarin - Zibanejad - Kakko
_______ -_______- _______ (Buch)
Chytil - Andersson/Howden - Kravtsov
Lemiuex - Barron - Fast/Strome
Nieves/McKegg/Whoever makes us draft compatible...

Miller - Trouba
Skjei?/Robertson - Lundkvist/ADA/Fox
Hajek/Rykov/Lindgren/Jones./Reuanen - Lundkvist/ADA/Fox

Shesty
Georgiev

Trade before next draft
Kreider
Namestnikov
(Buch)
Howden/Andersson
Fast/Strome
Nieves/McKegg

Keep for the Expansion Draft
Fast/Strome
Nieves/McKegg?

The return on that above should be pretty damn good. Add a couple of surplus D prospects/projects to the trade bait as well. Fill in some holes with acquisitions and free agents. Imagine somehow getting Byfield as our 2C! I also think our boy Barron will slot in nicely too. Maybe Henriksson as well. Looks amazing what we coUld become in 2021. In theory.

 

[Fitzy]

Can see a bunch of things out of just the first preseason game. The forwards will carry whatever success the team has this season. Defense could be a big problem. No ADA and Skjei getting first pair minutes is not a good way to start the season. That’s not even counting the wonder twin getting plenty of ice time.

Will be a lot of fun to watch but I’m seeing a punchers chance at Byfield vs. a playoff team.

If the Panarin and Kakko lines end up being as good as they could be, we could do an awful lot of cycling in the O zone and spare our defenders a lot of work. There's a reason why Malik-Rozsival was such a functional top pairing in 05-06.

The issue, I think, will be to make sure that the forwards are tracking back when they need to be. Last night there was no real 3rd man high on the Zibanejad line. Everyone wanted to score.

But yeah, the D is a work in progress. I think if one of the kids can show that they can outplay Smith/Staal from the start of the year it would be a huge step in the right direction. Though if Rykov can't get into a preseason game due to injury it hurts his chances. Depending on your opinion of Staal, some will make the case that veteran #7 guy Joe Morrow is actually the better option. Maybe this year's Claesson.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Buch and Kakko could be brothers

 

[Ola]

Given the look of that top PP unit last night — Chris Kreider could end up having pretty good stats this season.

We aren’t talking about 7m per in that scenario, probably 10m per instead.

 

[Ola]

I’ve had the longest dry-spell of crazy long shot hang-ups since the draft. Or wait it was the second BO-window when I wanted three of them.

Anyway I think I got a new one. From my POV it would make quite much sense for Gorton to give Kreider a monster 2 year deal.

Say 2x15m.

We trade/let go of Names and Strome ASAP. Buy out Staal and Smith next summer. That leaves us with about 66m in cap hit with a pretty set roster. Say 9 forwards and 7 Ds and 2 goalies. We can easily plug 2/3 of a 4th line with home grown cheap guys. The Cap should go up towards 83m.

Next year, the cap shouldn’t be an issue, neither should it be the year after. Remember in y2 or that monster deal for Kreids, Shatty’s big BO is off the books, Hanks contract is up, Girardis BO drops. Very few RFAs are up. We would have a ton of room.

Then 3y, all the top kids will have to sign new contracts. Kreider would be 31. Instead of getting 9m per as a UFA, the price should come down. But he already have 30m in the bank, maybe he would take 6m for 5 years or whatever. Time would tell. I think the big gain is having Kreider around these coming years anyway. Help the kids.

 

[Thirty One]

I’ve had the longest dry-spell of crazy long shot hang-ups since the draft. Or wait it was the second BO-window when I wanted three of them.

Anyway I think I got a new one. From my POV it would make quite much sense for Gorton to give Kreider a monster 2 year deal.

Say 2x15m.

We trade/let go of Names and Strome ASAP. Buy out Staal and Smith next summer. That leaves us with about 66m in cap hit with a pretty set roster. Say 9 forwards and 7 Ds and 2 goalies. We can easily plug 2/3 of a 4th line with home grown cheap guys. The Cap should go up towards 83m.

Next year, the cap shouldn’t be an issue, neither should it be the year after. Remember in y2 or that monster deal for Kreids, Shatty’s big BO is off the books, Hanks contract is up, Girardis BO drops. Very few RFAs are up. We would have a ton of room.

Then 3y, all the top kids will have to sign new contracts. Kreider would be 31. Instead of getting 9m per as a UFA, the price should come down. But he already have 30m in the bank, maybe he would take 6m for 5 years or whatever. Time would tell. I think the big gain is having Kreider around these coming years anyway. Help the kids.

Wut.

 

[RangerBoy]

Tomorrow is the first day of waivers. Matt Beleskey. 12 days before the start of the NHL season.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Tomorrow is the first day of waivers. Matt Beleskey. 12 days before the start of the NHL season.

That’ll go quick.

12. 11. 10. 9. 8. 7. 6. 5. 4. 3. 2. 1. 0. -1. -2. -3. Draft. Free Agency. 2021. 2022. 2023. Trade Kakko.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I’ve had the longest dry-spell of crazy long shot hang-ups since the draft. Or wait it was the second BO-window when I wanted three of them.

Anyway I think I got a new one. From my POV it would make quite much sense for Gorton to give Kreider a monster 2 year deal.

Say 2x15m.

We trade/let go of Names and Strome ASAP. Buy out Staal and Smith next summer. That leaves us with about 66m in cap hit with a pretty set roster. Say 9 forwards and 7 Ds and 2 goalies. We can easily plug 2/3 of a 4th line with home grown cheap guys. The Cap should go up towards 83m.

Next year, the cap shouldn’t be an issue, neither should it be the year after. Remember in y2 or that monster deal for Kreids, Shatty’s big BO is off the books, Hanks contract is up, Girardis BO drops. Very few RFAs are up. We would have a ton of room.

Then 3y, all the top kids will have to sign new contracts. Kreider would be 31. Instead of getting 9m per as a UFA, the price should come down. But he already have 30m in the bank, maybe he would take 6m for 5 years or whatever. Time would tell. I think the big gain is having Kreider around these coming years anyway. Help the kids.

You drinking again Ola?

 

[Alluckks]

Step 1. I'm on a dry spell

Step 2. Kreider 2 x 15

Step 3. ???? [More booze?]

Step 4. Profit

 

[Ola]

You drinking again Ola?

No, it’s brilliant as usual.

Why so short term? We have cap space the coming two seasons. After that we have to start to resign so many of the kids.

Besides

Why so much money? This is Kreider’s big payday. If he has a decent year and plays on that top PP unit he could have good stats.

But the older he gets, the less the teams will be inclined to give him a long term deal. So if we want him to take a 2-year deal — it must compensate him for the risk he takes.

 

[egelband]

No, it’s brilliant as usual.

Why so short term? We have cap space the coming two seasons. After that we have to start to resign so many of the kids.

Besides

Why so much money? This is Kreider’s big payday. If he has a decent year and plays on that top PP unit he could have good stats.

But the older he gets, the less the teams will be inclined to give him a long term deal. So if we want him to take a 2-year deal — it must compensate him for the risk he takes.

But 15x2 and then 6x5 is 60/7 or $8.5m per.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

No, it’s brilliant as usual.

Why so short term? We have cap space the coming two seasons. After that we have to start to resign so many of the kids.

Besides

Why so much money? This is Kreider’s big payday. If he has a decent year and plays on that top PP unit he could have good stats.

But the older he gets, the less the teams will be inclined to give him a long term deal. So if we want him to take a 2-year deal — it must compensate him for the risk he takes.

Yup. You’re drunk.

Possibly high on crack too.

 

[Ola]

But 15x2 and then 6x5 is 60/7 or $8.5m per.

I doubt Kreider will get less than 8.5m if he hit the UFA market, after boosting his stats playing on that top PP unit.

And there is no doubt that there have to be some sort of over compensation, because Kreider takes all the risk. If he gets big injury problems, that second contract could be a lot lower.

But I of course didn’t put much thought into the 15m number, not saying that 12m or 14m or whatever isn’t an option either.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

So bernmeister is actually contagious?

 

[egelband]

I doubt Kreider will get less than 8.5m if he hit the UFA market, after boosting his stats playing on that top PP unit.

And there is no doubt that there have to be some sort of over compensation, because Kreider takes all the risk. If he gets big injury problems, that second contract could be a lot lower.

But I of course didn’t put much thought into the 15m number, not saying that 12m or 14m or whatever isn’t an option either.

Your point about overpaying for a skirt deal is reasonable, even if the numbers are a bit fantastic. 9x2 or 8x3. Something like that might make sense. Kreider probably wouldn't do it though. But maybe it's just one of those things that's not meant to be. Which is fine too.

 

[Leetch3]

No, it’s brilliant as usual.

Why so short term? We have cap space the coming two seasons. After that we have to start to resign so many of the kids.

Besides

Why so much money? This is Kreider’s big payday. If he has a decent year and plays on that top PP unit he could have good stats.

But the older he gets, the less the teams will be inclined to give him a long term deal. So if we want him to take a 2-year deal — it must compensate him for the risk he takes.

Wait are you saying $15 mil per year for 2 years? Is the cap next year going up by $10 mil?

 

[Kovalev27]

I also rather deal Buchy than Kreider. And I like Buchy a lot. But with Kravtsov here probably a much better version of buch and wanting to get him top 6 mins along with what CK brings to the team (no one else does what he can do particularly on the pp)

He’s a much better fit over the next 5 years. And that’s the extent of what I’d offer. 5 year deal.

If Panarin Mika Kakko Chytil Kravtsov and Kreider are our core top 6 players the next 5 years I like our chances.