Speculation: Roster Building Thread: (still) No Quinn In NY Edition

[LORDE]

Like I always say, line hierarchy completely falls apart under slight criticism anyway.

Everyone has Goodrow on the "4th line" in the mock lineup which I happen to agree with for whatever that's worth. At the same time, he was 5th in ice time amongst our forwards. Do you anticipate him falling from there to below 9th? Probably not. If he doesn't is he really a 4th liner? I don't know.

It's kind of a subjective characterization that doesn't mean anything.

Trocheck is here to be a fit on the Panarin line. It's the Panarin line. We know what its role is and isn't. It doesn't need a ranking.

Well because skills & ability are different than usage no?

I mean I understand when posters say this guy is/isn't a 1C or is or isn't a #1 D or whatever.

Goodrow is used like a utility knife and that's part of his value.

 

[Ola]

I wouldnt trade Panarin for Tkachuk.

How will Tkachuk do away from Johnny Hockey? Put Tkachuk-Strome-Hunt on the ice and you won’t see much fire worn. Tkachuk will become a 12m player if he wants to. PFs don’t win you cups.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I wouldnt trade Panarin for Tkachuk.

How will Tkachuk do away from Johnny Hockey? Put Tkachuk-Strome-Hunt on the ice and you won’t see much fire worn. Tkachuk will become a 12m player if he wants to. PFs don’t win you cups.

Panarin is seriously the most underrated player by any fanbase I've ever seen. (well aside from Kravtsov ofc )

 

[LOFIN]

Panarin is seriously the most underrated player by any fanbase I've ever seen. (well aside from Kravtsov ofc )

He had a down year and now everybody is willing to trade him. Isn't this the story of this fanbase?

 

[LORDE]

He has arrived.

Over under on duration of stay?

3 months?

 

[Machinehead]

Where do I sign? I did something similar in NHL 22 but for Brady Tkachuk. View attachment 570763View attachment 570765Lundkvist and AHL player for Cole Sillinger

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Brady Tkachuk is a slightly less good Chris Kreider

 

[LOFIN]

Over under on duration of stay?

3 months?

I would imagine he has a bit more reason to stay now, the situation with KHL might be volatile next season.

 

[Machinehead]

I wouldnt trade Panarin for Tkachuk.

How will Tkachuk do away from Johnny Hockey? Put Tkachuk-Strome-Hunt on the ice and you won’t see much fire worn. Tkachuk will become a 12m player if he wants to. PFs don’t win you cups.

Matthew I might entertain.

Brady is the most overrated player in the NHL currently and for a one/two-year window I wouldn't trade Kreider for him, let alone Panarin.

Brady Tkachuk is very good, but he's very good like Kreider is very good. He's not a superstar. His father and brother are. Brady is absolutely The Godfather III out of that family. Two Hall of Famers and "eh, I'll watch it."

 

[EdJovanovski]

He had a down year and now everybody is willing to trade him. Isn't this the story of this fanbase?

And his "down year" was his career high in points and like still top 10 in franchise history.

 

[RangerBoy]

Ottawa signed Brady Tkachuk to a 7 year contract last fall. Matthew Tkachuk signed a 3 year contract after his ELC expired. The Flames didn't have the room for a long-term contract. They were tight against the cap.

Unlike Mitch Marner’s six-year, US$65-million deal with the Toronto Maple Leafs, Tkachuk’s is a bridge contract allowing the Flames to squeeze under the salary cap while giving Tkachuk the prospect of a richer deal in the not-so-distance future.

Calgary was slightly over the cap with the Tkachuk transaction, so a roster move is a possibility.

Matthew Tkachuk signs three-year, $21-million deal with Flames

The 21-year-old native of Scottsdale, Ariz., had 34 goals and 43 assists last season

www.theglobeandmail.com

Tkachuk is signing that contract with another team.

 

[New York RKY]

He has arrived.

He’s just here to throw his temper tantrums in person rather than from another continent.

 

[Synergy27]

We don't need three guys and you would have to bring in another star player to replace Panarin's production. There's no way that scenario ends without acquiring a worse Panarin. In the last four games against Tampa, we scored one even strength goal.

We were low-key 16th in goals scored. We're not that good at it.

"Fewer triple-digit point guys" is not high on this teams list of needs.

Unless, you know, you look at why we didn’t score any goals in those games and realize that it was because the whole team was playing like Panarin and Strome at ES.

Listen, I personally hate the way the game changes in the playoffs. But the fact of the matter is that it does. You score goals by shooting and crashing and hoping for dumb bounces. It just is what it is.

 

[Machinehead]

He had a down year and now everybody is willing to trade him. Isn't this the story of this fanbase?

Panarin had 96 points and everyone wants to get out of his contact.

Brady Tkachuk had 67 and people are congratulating him on his massive breakout.

 

[pld459666]

I like Matt Tkachuk's game. A snarly prick of a player with skill.

Could use that here in NY

 

[bbny]

I wouldnt trade Panarin for Tkachuk.

How will Tkachuk do away from Johnny Hockey? Put Tkachuk-Strome-Hunt on the ice and you won’t see much fire worn. Tkachuk will become a 12m player if he wants to. PFs don’t win you cups.

 

[Machinehead]

Unless, you know, you look at why we didn’t score any goals in those games and realize that it was because the whole team was playing like Panarin and Strome at ES.

Listen, I personally hate the way the game changes in the playoffs. But the fact of the matter is that it does. You score goals by shooting and crashing and hoping for dumb bounces. It just is what it is.

First of all, you have to qualify for the playoffs. Without Panarin, this is a bottom-5 offensive team in the NHL.

21-22 is really the only year Panarin wasn't good at even strength and he was on a terrible line. The idea that Panarin is Patrick Kane at even strength is an invention of recency.

And Patrick Kane has three Cups and a Conn Smythe. So does Ovechkin have a Conn Smythe and he scores about as many goals 5v5 as Lafreniere does with first line minutes. Guys who just score and do it with PP1 time are etched all over the Cup.

 

[LOFIN]

I like Matt Tkachuk's game. A snarly prick of a player with skill.

Could use that here in NY

Going to be a grade A example of an overpaid winger because of "heart" if he ends up re-signing in Calgary or going somewhere else but St. Louis (where he would probably take a discount). Not saying he's not a great player, but he's not a top scoring winger and thus doesn't deserve that much north of 10m if even that. He scored 104 points now but he's not doing that again without Gaudreau.

 

[Tob]

He has arrived.

 

[Machinehead]

The summers where Rangers fans somehow overcorrect into "scoring is bad actually" after any time we don't win the Cup is the worst part of contending.

 

[pld459666]

Going to be a grade A example of an overpaid winger because of "heart" if he ends up re-signing in Calgary or going somewhere else but St. Louis (where he would probably take a discount). Not saying he's not a great player, but he's not a top scoring winger and thus doesn't deserve that much north of 10m if even that. He scored 104 points now but he's not doing that again without Gaudreau.

Disagree

Will be a consistent 30+ 50+ player

 

[Machinehead]

Also, like, I think we're going to see a different Panarin with a center that's going to the net, helping with transition, and covering defensively as opposed to a center that's just mirroring Panarin's every move like a circus chimp, just on the wrong side of the ice.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Matthew I might entertain.

Brady is the most overrated player in the NHL currently and for a one/two-year window I wouldn't trade Kreider for him, let alone Panarin.

Brady Tkachuk is very good, but he's very good like Kreider is very good. He's not a superstar. His father and brother are. Brady is absolutely The Godfather III out of that family. Two Hall of Famers and "eh, I'll watch it."

I don't think anyone is suggesting to trade for Brady Tkachuk. All of the suggestions are for Matthew given his current situation in Calgary, but it's ridiculously unlikely that we'd be able to make any move for him given the assets it'd require/cap moves necessary to make it fit.

 

[LOFIN]

Disagree

Will be a consistent 30+ 50+ player

Not sure about that, but even if he is that's way too much money. It can't go over 10m, and that's what he's probably looking for.

 

[mrmovies779]

I’d offer Chytil, Kakko, Lundkvist, Panarin for signed Tkachuk

Why stop there?Lets throw in a couple 1sts too

 

[Machinehead]

Why stop there?Lets throw in a couple 1sts too

But strangely not Lafreniere even as we bring in another guy who only plays LW