Speculation: Roster Building Thread: (still) No Quinn In NY Edition

[QJL]

I do not see Kakko signing a 2 or 3 year contract. He’s definitely asking for 1 year and betting on himself. If he gets what he wants it’ll create a storm next offseason.

 

[RangerBoy]

Ryan Lindgren-Adam Fox
K'Andre Miller-Jacob Trouba
Zach Jones-Braden Schneider

Nils Lundkvist
Matthew Robertson

The Rangers need to add a D. They need another veteran D more than another winger.

I do not see Kakko signing a 2 or 3 year contract. He’s definitely asking for 1 year and betting on himself. If he gets what he wants it’ll create a storm next offseason.

The rumor is a 2 year bridge deal.

 

[Savant]

The Rangers wanted to pay $11M AAV. Panarin wanted more than $11M AAV. The Rangers traded Spooner to Edmonton for Strome in 18-19. The Rangers retained $900,000 in the trade for 18-19 and 19-20. Edmonton traded Spooner to Vancouver for Gagner a few months later. Vancouver decided to buy out Spooner. The Rangers obligation dropped for $900,000 to $300,000 in 19-20. The Rangers gave Panarin the $600,000.

The Rangers don’t need another D right now. The need to try the kids out. There is no cap to waste on a vet D. They can trade for one if they need to into the season. The only thing they need to do now is get Kakko taken care of

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Ryan Lindgren-Adam Fox
K'Andre Miller-Jacob Trouba
Zach Jones-Braden Schneider

Nils Lundkvist
Matthew Robertson

The Rangers need to add a D. They need another veteran D more than another winger.


The rumor is a 2 year bridge deal.

No more D. Time for Zach/Nils to get their chance in the NHL. Let them and Libor battle it out at camp.

 

[GAGLine]

The Rangers don’t need another D right now. The need to try the kids out. There is no cap to waste on a vet D. They can trade for one if they need to into the season. The only thing they need to do now is get Kakko taken care of

A vet D making the minimum won't cost us anything. Either he makes the team over the kids because the kids aren't ready, or he gets waived. Or he makes the team as the 7th and Hajek is waived. Either way, we're spending about the same amount on the 6 and 7 spots.

There are still some experienced dmen out there who might be willing to sign a cheap, 1-year deal. Having options is never a bad thing.

 

[Savant]

A vet D making the minimum won't cost us anything. Either he makes the team over the kids because the kids aren't ready, or he gets waived. Or he makes the team as the 7th and Hajek is waived. Either way, we're spending about the same amount on the 6 and 7 spots.

There are still some experienced dmen out there who might be willing to sign a cheap, 1-year deal. Having options is never a bad thing.

Okay - who is vet D making the minimum that is coming? That is an outright upgrade/worth taking minutes from the kids? Please name. Like do we really want to take minutes away from Jones (for example) to sign a guy like Derrick Pouliot level? For me I that’s a waste of a contract spot

 

[jerseyjinx94]

At best the Rangers might have enough cap to bring Kane in at the deadline. That said if there are multiple holes to plug the best strategy might be to bring in multiple players like we did last year. It's not like we have some kind of pop gun offense and when the kids really start to put it together it's going to be a better offense anyway. IMO Lafreniere is ready to break out.

The other thing is the cost. Chicago will do what it can to turn dealing Kane into a real bidding war. He will be a first ballot HOF'er but keep in mind he's not exactly the same player that was leading the Blackhawks to Cups some years ago. He's a much older version of that player even if he still produces a lot of offense.

Kane is a lot of things but he’s also a 3x Stanley Cup Champion. Adding him at the deadline will check a LOT of boxes, especially if it’s in a support role.

He also has a NMC so he’ll decide where he goes. There won’t be a traditional bidding war.

 

[RGY]

Man I would love to get Lindholm out of Calgary. Such a solid player on a fantastic cap hit. I know we just signed Trocheck but you can never have enough quality centers. Chytil is would probably have to go the other way along with a cap dump like Hunt and Gauthier. Plus a 1st. But that would make the team very deep and support the plethora of wingers we have right now and on the horizon.

Kreider-Zib-Lafreniere
Panarin-Trocheck-Kravtsov
Blais-Lindholm-Kakko
Motte-Carpenter-Goodrow
Reaves

Othmann, Cuylle, Berard, Sykora, Pajuniemi,and the list goes on for wingers.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

The Rangers are trying to keep the number closer to $2M. That's too low. $2.3M. $2.4M.

I think that ship sailed when they gave Chytil $2.3M. Big risk waiting to sign him over a few hundred thousand. This isn’t the spot to pinch pennies. Should’ve done that with Trocheck or Goodrow, or Trouba.

 

[Savant]

I think that ship sailed when they gave Chytil $2.3M. Big risk waiting to sign him over a few hundred thousand. This isn’t the spot to pinch pennies. Should’ve done that with Goodrow.

Fixed

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Man I would love to get Lindholm out of Calgary. Such a solid player on a fantastic cap hit. I know we just signed Trocheck but you can never have enough quality centers. Chytil is would probably have to go the other way along with a cap dump like Hunt and Gauthier. Plus a 1st. But that would make the team very deep and support the plethora of wingers we have right now and on the horizon.

Kreider-Zib-Lafreniere
Panarin-Trocheck-Kravtsov
Blais-Lindholm-Kakko
Motte-Carpenter-Goodrow
Reaves

Othmann, Cuylle, Berard, Sykora, Pajuniemi,and the list goes on for wingers.

You’ll never be able to sign Lindholm after that contract expires, and he’ll walk to UFA, plus you lost your first. Chytil OTOH will be on the upswing, cheaper to re-sign, and RFA. If you were gonna make that deal you do it before you add Trocheck and then you sign a 3C. With Trocheck here, unless you’re trading Kravtsov for him to put him at RW, I don’t think it’s the right fit.

 

[duhmetreE]

Ryan Lindgren-Adam Fox
K'Andre Miller-Jacob Trouba
Zach Jones-Braden Schneider

Nils Lundkvist
Matthew Robertson

The Rangers need to add a D. They need another veteran D more than another winger.


The rumor is a 2 year bridge deal.

why do we need a Nemeth, Staal, Tinordi or Jack Johnson?

Have we not learned yet? If someone wants to take close to league minimum, so that can be easily buried, sure.... maybe. It still opens up the opportunity of Gallant choosing him over a kid

It rarely works out. Why not just hire another coach for the kids? If the vet is meant for leadership and guidance, get it from a coach who doesn't have to play.

 

[GAGLine]

Okay - who is vet D making the minimum that is coming? That is an outright upgrade/worth taking minutes from the kids? Please name. Like do we really want to take minutes away from Jones (for example) to sign a guy like Derrick Pouliot level? For me I that’s a waste of a contract spot

I didn't say they'd automatically be taking minutes from the kids. If one of the kids is better, then they get the spot. Are you comfortable having Hajek as the 7th dman? Or would you prefer someone more experienced?

As far as who is available, there are lots of guys out there who could be a better option than Hajek as the 7th dman, or as the 6th dman if none of the kids are ready. How about De Haan? Or our old buddy Stralman? Or guys like Russel and Murray?

I'm all for giving the 3LD spot to one of the kids, but if they struggle, I'd like to have a better option to spell them than Libor Hajek.

 

[Savant]

I didn't say they'd automatically be taking minutes from the kids. If one of the kids is better, then they get the spot. Are you comfortable having Hajek as the 7th dman? Or would you prefer someone more experienced?

As far as who is available, there are lots of guys out there who could be a better option than Hajek as the 7th dman, or as the 6th dman if none of the kids are ready. How about De Haan? Or our old buddy Stralman? Or guys like Russel and Murray?

I'm all for giving the 3LD spot to one of the kids, but if they struggle, I'd like to have a better option to spell them than Libor Hajek.

I don’t think any of the guys you mentioned are taking minimum.

I’d honestly rather have Hajek. He knows what his role is, he’s not wasting an extra contract spot and I don’t think anyone taki kg a minimum deal is outright better. I’m fine rolling with Hajek until another move is necessitated. If one of those guys wants to take a big hair cut? Maybe? But I think if those guys were taking good minimum deals they would be signed already.

 

[RGY]

I don’t think any of the guys you mentioned are taking minimum.

I’d honestly rather have Hajek. He knows what his role is, he’s not wasting an extra contract spot and I don’t think anyone taki kg a minimum deal is outright better. I’m fine rolling with Hajek until another move is necessitated. If one of those guys wants to take a big hair cut? Maybe? But I think if those guys were taking good minimum deals they would be signed already.

Normally I would agree, but do you think those Vets have a choice? Maybe if they don’t mind playing in Arizona, Seattle, or Montreal. But if they want to play on a competitive team, they may have to take the minimum.

 

[GAGLine]

Normally I would agree, but do you think those Vets have a choice? Maybe if they don’t mind playing in Arizona, Seattle, or Montreal. But if they want to play on a competitive team, they may have to take the minimum.

Exactly. There are only so many spots available and only so much cap space. Niederreiter just signed for 2 x 4, which is under market value for him. Everyone expected Kadri to sign long term for 8+ mil, but he'll likely get less. The cap is squeezing everyone. Better to have a cheap 1-year deal for a contender than to get a little bit more money with a team going nowhere, or worse, not have a job at all.

 

[Savant]

Normally I would agree, but do you think those Vets have a choice? Maybe if they don’t mind playing in Arizona, Seattle, or Montreal. But if they want to play on a competitive team, they may have to take the minimum.

Maybe. But remains to be seen. Maybe these guys have enough money in the bank they can wait on An injury to open things up. Could go one way or the other. League is in a holding pattern right now

 

[duhmetreE]

I didn't say they'd automatically be taking minutes from the kids. If one of the kids is better, then they get the spot. Are you comfortable having Hajek as the 7th dman? Or would you prefer someone more experienced?

As far as who is available, there are lots of guys out there who could be a better option than Hajek as the 7th dman, or as the 6th dman if none of the kids are ready. How about De Haan? Or our old buddy Stralman? Or guys like Russel and Murray?

I'm all for giving the 3LD spot to one of the kids, but if they struggle, I'd like to have a better option to spell them than Libor Hajek.

Yes I'd rather have Hajek.

TBH I wouldn't be surprised if he takes the 3LD spot to start the year. We talk about him like he's a leper.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I don’t mind Hajek as 7th D he’s young and has good speed and is a big body, he’s perfectly fine and capable as 7th D for $800K

 

[irishlaxburger2]

The rumor is a 2 year bridge deal.

When that rumor has been out there for a month+ and the deal isn't signed yet, you naturally begin to wonder if the rumored terms are actually agreeable.

 

[bhamill]

Vatrano Motte big losses

They were rentals. Everyone knew that most would walk. You want to compare “temporary” post TDL rosters, then we have to wait until after the TDL, no?

 

[GAGLine]

When that rumor has been out there for a month+ and the deal isn't signed yet, you naturally begin to wonder if the rumored terms are actually agreeable.

The contract will cover only RFA years, and the Rangers have limited cap space, so there's not much left to negotiate. Maybe they are hoping that Drury will decide to give Kakko more by running a 21 man roster, but that will impact next year's cap as well. Or maybe they are just waiting to see if an offer sheet comes in, or simply waiting because there's no pressure to get the deal done. Or maybe the deal is already agreed upon, but they are waiting for Kakko to return to NY to sign the papers.

It's very common for 2nd contracts to not be signed right away, simply because there is no pressure to get the deal done.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I do not see Kakko signing a 2 or 3 year contract. He’s definitely asking for 1 year and betting on himself. If he gets what he wants it’ll create a storm next offseason.

Been out of the loop... You know, hiding from the aliens (they're never gonna get my weed)... But is it term that tying this up or is it just your only conjecture?

I do not see Kakko signing a 2 or 3 year contract. He’s definitely asking for 1 year and betting on himself. If he gets what he wants it’ll create a storm next offseason.

Been out of the loop... You know, hiding from the aliens (they're never gonna get my weed)... But is it term that tying this up or is it just your own conjecture?

See, I fixed it… Can you see the difference?

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Man I would love to get Lindholm out of Calgary. Such a solid player on a fantastic cap hit. I know we just signed Trocheck but you can never have enough quality centers. Chytil is would probably have to go the other way along with a cap dump like Hunt and Gauthier. Plus a 1st. But that would make the team very deep and support the plethora of wingers we have right now and on the horizon.

Kreider-Zib-Lafreniere
Panarin-Trocheck-Kravtsov
Blais-Lindholm-Kakko
Motte-Carpenter-Goodrow
Reaves

Othmann, Cuylle, Berard, Sykora, Pajuniemi,and the list goes on for wingers.

No way that would ever happen. And Hunt/Gauthier combined are not what you'd call a "cap dump."

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers don’t need another D right now. The need to try the kids out. There is no cap to waste on a vet D. They can trade for one if they need to into the season. The only thing they need to do now is get Kakko taken care of

Trade deadline.

When that rumor has been out there for a month+ and the deal isn't signed yet, you naturally begin to wonder if the rumored terms are actually agreeable.

Both sides are playing the game.