Speculation: Roster Building Thread: (still) No Quinn In NY Edition

[duhmetreE]

Panarin needs to be better next season. He needs to lead this team offensively like we've seen him do. ( spare me PPPs ) ESPECIALLY at even strength. He will be.

Give the guy the benefit of the doubt

$11.6M is hefty with a flat cap. You can't predict these things. The league needs to figure a way to mediate this because it will be even worse next season.

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[Trxjw]

I think if Drury was in the chair and not Gorton at the time, Panarin now is wearing a different uniform. I bet there is a bunch of players on the team that do not fit Drury's player ideals, and he would love to jettison them if he had ways.

I do get the vibe that Panarin isn't necessarily a guy Drury loves. Not sure I'm convinced he's able to avoid the big splash but I like his approach.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Based on performance, Jones has earned NHL minutes far more than Lundkvist has. He also happens to play the same side we have an opening on. He also happens to be a PPQB, which we desperately need for that 2nd unit.

Jones deserves a legitimate shot at 3LD. It would solve some ills in our lineup if he sticks.

I mean, I get what you're saying, but I don't see why Jones deserves that 3LD spot over Lundkvist yet. We haven't even started training camp or gotten a look at either player.

 

[RangerBoy]

August 11 is Tkachuk's hearing.

Niederreiter to Nashville. 2/4AAV.

Nice get for Nashville.

Nashville is one of the few teams with money to spend.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I do get the vibe that Panarin isn't necessarily a guy Drury loves. Not sure I'm convinced he's able to avoid the big splash but I like his approach.

I worry a little bit about Drury in this sense.

I don't disagree with the mind set that this team needs to get more "grindy" and willing to play through bodies, but they can't fill their roster with NOTHING but these guys. A balance needs to be struck and if you can find guys who can check both boxes, fantastic (they're close to having this with Lafreniere.)

There is room for Panarin esque players on any team and we will need them too. I don't think we should have allocated 11.6 million dollars in one when we did and am afraid of what said player is going to look like going forward (and thats going to he a mother f***er for him to navigate for the next 4 years) but he shouldn't be afraid of adding skill guys either. Can't fill your roster with them, but you shouldn't ignore them either. You're not going to win anything with a team full of Chris Drury's either.

 

[Lgrsean]

If Nils wants to go back to Sweden they would let him but I’m sick of young players complaining about AHL time

They sign the contract and need developmental time often . It’s not weird to ask him to play in the AHL

I don't think it's as much about playing in the AHL as he doesn't really have a path to the NHL on the Rangers. Ideally he or Jones makes the NHL roster to start the season and plays well on the 3rd pairing while the other crushes it in the AHL. One of them is traded at the deadline for a rental that puts us over the top and we win the cup.

 

[SA16]

God how I wish we could afford Tkachuk. Kadri as well. I'd wager we're done with anything "big".

Would Kreider waive for the good of the organization?

 

[mas0764]

I worry a little bit about Drury in this sense.

I don't disagree with the mind set that this team needs to get more "grindy" and willing to play through bodies, but they can't fill their roster with NOTHING but these guys. A balance needs to be struck and if you can find guys who can check both boxes, fantastic (they're close to having this with Lafreniere.)

There is room for Panarin esque players on any team and we will need them too. I don't think we should have allocated 11.6 million dollars in one when we did and am afraid of what said player is going to look like going forward (and thats going to he a mother f***er for him to navigate for the next 4 years) but he shouldn't be afraid of adding skill guys either. Can't fill your roster with them, but you shouldn't ignore them either. You're not going to win anything with a team full of Chris Drury's either.

They already swung too hard in this direction. A balance might need to be struck but the balances leans towards skill over grit.

Skill wins in the NHL today, this isn't 1996.

 

[Kocur26]

Niederreiter to Nashville. 2/4AAV.

Nice get for Nashville.

Drury asleep at the wheel - he should have signed him day 1.
Not Hajek or Gauthier etc

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Are we really questioning the signing of the best forward we've had since Jagr? C'monnnnnnnnnn

 

[RGY]

Drury asleep at the wheel - he should have signed him day 1.
Not Hajek or Gauthier etc

Lmfao, with what money. I hope this is sarcasm. I hope.

 

[bhamill]

Drury asleep at the wheel - he should have signed him day 1.
Not Hajek or Gauthier etc

But NN would not have likely taken that deal Day 1... that's the "everybody has spent most of their cap on other FAs and I have to take what I can get" deal. Also we needed a center more than another wing.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They already swung too hard in this direction. A balance might need to be struck but the balances leans towards skill over grit.

Skill wins in the NHL today, this isn't 1996.

This isn't true in the slightest.

Zibanejad, Panarin, Vatrano and Strome were 2/3rds of our top 6. Those are pure skill guys. Kreider is a bit of a hybrid, but he probably swings more in that direction these days so thats 5 out of 6. The lack of grind in the top 6 was an issue and one that they're taking steps towards remedying. Personally, I don't think Gallant did a great job of finding a balance last year. I don't think there was a perfect solution, but there were better ones than what he threw out there.

To this point, they're going to be throwing Kravtsov into that group as well. I don't know how anyone can say that there is a shortage of skill. Theres a shortage of pairing said skill with the right compliments, but thats a different conversation.

Theres a reason why the "kid" line was successful in the playoffs - They were the only line that was able to generate chances off the cycle. The top 2 lines were one and done - Skill isnt fixing that.

But Drury can't become fixated on trying to fill the roster with those guys either. The Blues kind of did it when they won, but guys like ROR and Schenn are "skilled" grinders. ROR is elite in that regard.

 

[Alluckks]

I think Nils will be used as our biggest piece to be moved at the deadline. We won't trade our 1st this year.

 

[bl02]

No money for Nino but that is a reasonable deal for sure. Canes lose Vinny and Nino. I’m not sold on Patioready and Burns still decent but age???

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

They already swung too hard in this direction. A balance might need to be struck but the balances leans towards skill over grit.

Skill wins in the NHL today, this isn't 1996.

They have skill. They lost to Tampa because they couldn't or refused to get to the paint. Too many shifts were one and done in the offensive zone. For as skilled as Colorado is, their top players aren't afraid to get dirty and do the work necessary to score goals in the playoffs.

 

[Savant]

I think Nils will be used as our biggest piece to be moved at the deadline. We won't trade our 1st this year.

Maybe? But Nils value is going to crater if he isn’t getting minutes before the deadline

 

[Kocur26]

Lmfao, with what money. I hope this is sarcasm. I hope.

We had / have 2 million.
There was no need to resign Hajek or Gauthier or sign that stiff center we just signed from Calgary.
That’s nearly 2 million.

 

[Trxjw]

I worry a little bit about Drury in this sense.

I don't disagree with the mind set that this team needs to get more "grindy" and willing to play through bodies, but they can't fill their roster with NOTHING but these guys. A balance needs to be struck and if you can find guys who can check both boxes, fantastic (they're close to having this with Lafreniere.)

There is room for Panarin esque players on any team and we will need them too. I don't think we should have allocated 11.6 million dollars in one when we did and am afraid of what said player is going to look like going forward (and thats going to he a mother f***er for him to navigate for the next 4 years) but he shouldn't be afraid of adding skill guys either. Can't fill your roster with them, but you shouldn't ignore them either. You're not going to win anything with a team full of Chris Drury's either.

It really isn't an issue for me with Panarin's skill set. He's an elite player. The question is whether or not it was the right move to give him the 2nd highest contract in the NHL. In my opinion it wasn't. He's definitely closer to earning his deal than not, but that was never my worry. My worry was that bringing him in would set the team on a specific timeline to "go for it," handcuff them financially if/when better options became available, and make it difficult to build the optimal roster around him.

I'm not particularly worried about the players Drury is targeting right now. I think we have a good mix of skill and "everything else" in the pipeline. With a number of players who have the skill to go with the grit and all those other intangible things GMs love.

 

[Raspewtin]

This isn't true in the slightest.

Zibanejad, Panarin, Vatrano and Strome were 2/3rds of our top 6. Those are pure skill guys. Kreider is a bit of a hybrid, but he probably swings more in that direction these days so thats 5 out of 6. The lack of grind in the top 6 was an issue and one that they're taking steps towards remedying. Personally, I don't think Gallant did a great job of finding a balance last year. I don't think there was a perfect solution, but there were better ones than what he threw out there.

To this point, they're going to be throwing Kravtsov into that group as well. I don't know how anyone can say that there is a shortage of skill. Theres a shortage of pairing said skill with the right compliments, but thats a different conversation.

Theres a reason why the "kid" line was successful in the playoffs - They were the only line that was able to generate chances off the cycle. The top 2 lines were one and done - Skill isnt fixing that.

But Drury can't become fixated on trying to fill the roster with those guys either. The Blues kind of did it when they won, but guys like ROR and Schenn are "skilled" grinders. ROR is elite in that regard.

I actually kinda disagree with this. Kravtsov is more of a skill guy than a grind guy but he has a great stick. In his times in the NHL he is always looking for take aways, stick lifts, little slashes, etc. It's not exactly grindy but it's a valuable skill to keep cycles going. Difference between him and a guy like Panarin who does this is Kravtsov's stick is longggggggggg and he's quite tall. it feels kopitar-esque at times.

 

[Fitzy]

We had / have 2 million.
There was no need to resign Hajek or Gauthier or sign that stiff center we just signed from Calgary.
That’s nearly 2 million.

All three of those players can be assigned to the AHL for exactly zero cap penalty.

They don't take away from the cap at all if they don't make the team

Some of you are either slow or intentionally obtuse about some of these things

 

[Mac n Gs]

All three of those players can be assigned to the AHL for exactly zero cap penalty.

They don't take away from the cap at all if they don't make the team

Some of you are either slow or intentionally obtuse about some of these things

You're also allowed to go 10% over the cap in the offseason, which makes that argument even more irrelevant.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Panarin needs to be better next season. He needs to lead this team offensively like we've seen him do. ( spare me PPPs ) ESPECIALLY at even strength. He will be.

Give the guy the benefit of the doubt

$11.6M is hefty with a flat cap. You can't predict these things. The league needs to figure a way to mediate this because it will be even worse next season.

Panarin lead the Rangers by a 15 point margin. He scored 59 even strength points, which also lead the team. Where is this PP points narrative coming from, someone made it up and it's like everyone refuses to look at the actual numbers. He was 4th in the NHL in PP assists. Fox was 3rd. McDavid was 1st. Is McDavid a PP points stats padder? Look at PP stats in the league and everyone at the top of the league in scoring is on the PP stats leader board. He scores a lot at even strength. He had more EV points than Strome and Copp had total for their seasons.

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This is why some of us want Lafreniere on PP1. Because if he was he would've had close to 60 points this past season. He could be a 70 point player as soon as this upcoming season if Gallant doesn't block him from consistent PP1 time and he stays in the top 6.

All elite players pad their stats on the PP.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

JOHNNY GAUDREAULW, COLUMBUS BLUE JACKETS

Johnny Gaudreau was close to signing with the New Jersey Devils.​

“I think I was trying to get a deal done with the Devils and then Columbus called, and I was like, ‘I want to go here,’” Gaudreau said on the “Spittin’ Chiclets” podcast. Gaudreau recounted that he hadn't heard from the Blue Jackets until 4pm on the first day of the free agent period. It sounds like had Columbus not acted when they did, Gaudreau would have ended up with the Devils. Obviously that's not what happened though.



Move that franchise to Quebec City

Then move the Wolf Pack to the Rock. 2024 agreement would have be renegotiated with Hartford before this could happen.