Speculation: Roster Building Thread: (still) No Quinn In NY Edition

[THE BIG WHISTLE]

Trocheck's style works in a lot of ways better for the Rangers. One way not talked about is his net front presence for Powerplay 2.

Rangers experimented all year with how to get that 2nd powerplay going. The first powerplay largely revolves around Kreider being planted in front of the net, then the perimeter work flows. The Rangers kept trying different guys in front of the net on the 2nd unit (hell, we even had Hunt there at one point). Trocheck is a great net front guy, but won't take over from Kreider.

Trocheck slides into PP2, and it allows Laf to take the free spot on PP1, which is likely with his 2 even strength linemates as well (Zib and Kreider).


Aside from that, at even strength, how many times did we see Panarin pull up at the blue line and then Strome try to float his way into a seam pass from him. Strome didn't go to the net, it wasn't his game. It led to us using a net and boards guy on the opposite wing. Trocheck can push forward to the net and pull a defender or two towards him when Panarin gains the zone and pulls up. This naturally lends itself a lot better to a trailing winger, rather than whatever pond hockey we let the 2nd unit run around with last season (it scored points, but we saw it die in the postseason and it also lets up a lot of chances).

This is exactly what Vinny did against us in the playoffs and he was tough to contain
Now you put him with Bread and he is going to open the ice for him.

 

[Lgrsean]

We had / have 2 million.
There was no need to resign Hajek or Gauthier or sign that stiff center we just signed from Calgary.
That’s nearly 2 million.

I think it would help you understand why not signing Hajek, Gauthier, or Carpenter wouldn’t create any cap space if you put together a roster together without them and add up the cap hits.

 

[Kocur26]

All three of those players can be assigned to the AHL for exactly zero cap penalty.

They don't take away from the cap at all if they don't make the team

Some of you are either slow or intentionally obtuse about some of these things

We don’t need any of them ! Is the point Johnny Obtuse

Gauthier played 66 brutal games last year do you need to see anymore?

Waste

Huh.

Nino just signed for $4 million per year. What the hell are you talking about.

CURRENT CAP SPACE

: $4,833,531
What ?

NN is the guy I wanted off the bat … we missed .

 

[Alluckks]

Lundkvist played LD all the time in Sweden. Robertson isn't ahead of either Jones or Lundkvist. Shouldn't be in the conversation at this stage.

What would help Lundkvist's value is if he was given a shot with a defenseman not named Nemeth.

Did he play it in his 25 games with the Rangers of his 34 games with Hartford?

 

[Kocur26]

I think it would help you understand why not signing Hajek, Gauthier, or Carpenter wouldn’t create any cap space if you put together a roster together without them and add up the cap hits.

Regardless- none of them deserve a chance to be on our roster .

 

[Alluckks]

Vancouver fans twist themselves into a pretzal with delusion. First it is about what a great player Miller is, a brand new guy in Vancouver, give us everything for him. But when it comes to him re-signing there it is all about how he isn't thatttt great, he needs to take a lesser deal. They are talking about 5 year contracts over there, hilarious.

 

[Kocur26]

For the people touting Lundkvist as a possible player - you didn’t watch … he was blown off the rink .
We invested in a dud .

 

[bbny]

Using what Chicago got in return for Dach as an example, I would rather have Niedereiter on that contract he got, a 1st in the high teens, and a 3rd round pick instead of Kakko.

It would have required burying Reaves (or he retires) to make it work with the cap (and barely), but Niederreiter at only $4M for 2 seasons is terrific value.

 

[Lgrsean]

Regardless- none of them deserve a chance to be on our roster .

They are fringe NHL quality players. Giving them a chance to make the roster doesn’t negatively impact the team at all. Who are you signing to similar contracts that deserves it more?

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Then move the Wolf Pack to the Rock. 2024 agreement would have be renegotiated with Hartford before this could happen.

Devils old arena is empty in the Meadowlands next to American Dream Mall. Prime location for an AHL team. Weekend games families can spend the day at the mall and go to the game after.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’m surprised Brooos is mentioning having to live Goodrow and Lindgren next summer, he must be reading posts here

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

For the people touting Lundkvist as a possible player - you didn’t watch … he was blown off the rink .
We invested in a dud .

your brain is a dud

 

[Zynbanejad]

Lundkvist played LD all the time in Sweden. Robertson isn't ahead of either Jones or Lundkvist. Shouldn't be in the conversation at this stage.

What would help Lundkvist's value is if he was given a shot with a defenseman not named Nemeth.

Didn't know that about Nils. It's his spot to lose IMO.

 

[RangerBoy]

I’m surprised Brooos is mentioning having to live Goodrow and Lindgren next summer, he must be reading posts here

Cap credit for Goodrow buyout. $200,000 next season and $100,000 in 23-24

 

[Zynbanejad]

I’m surprised Brooos is mentioning having to live Goodrow and Lindgren next summer, he must be reading posts here

Live? You mean trade?

 

[DanielBrassard]

JT Miller will be upset. Brooks dumped him for Kane.

Where are the Rangers finding the cap space for Kane? They will have $600K to $700K remaining after Kakko signs.

22 player roster.

The Rangers are not using the same 22 players for the entire season.

double retention, plus they could dump Blais or maybe Kakko is part of a deal. They can find the money. Whether that would be the right decision is a different thing.

 

[Lgrsean]

Using what Chicago got in return for Dach as an example, I would rather have Niedereiter on that contract he got, a 1st in the high teens, and a 3rd round pick instead of Kakko.

It would have required burying Reaves (or he retires) to make it work with the cap (and barely), but Niederreiter at only $4M for 2 seasons is terrific value.

The Blackhawks are tanking and in a completely different position than the Rangers who nearly made the Finals and would value future picks much more than the Rangers. Kakko was also much more highly thought of than Dach as a prospect.

Giving up the cheap control on Kakko for 2 years of niederreiter at nearly double the cap hit makes it that much harder to retain the other young talent next year.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Cap credit for Goodrow buyout. $200,000 next season and $100,000 in 23-24

Unless they find a team that will take on 4 years at almost 4M for a borderline 3rd line forward it's the only path forward if they want to keep more important players.

 

[cheech70]

Rangers can only keep dreaming as Matthew Tkachuk hits trade market

Here is the incontrovertible fact. The Blueshirts have seven players carrying cap hits of at least $5 million per year.

nypost.com

Brooksy gets his ideas from HF Boards

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

double retention, plus they could dump Blais or maybe Kakko is part of a deal. They can find the money. Whether that would be the right decision is a different thing.

Thats to make it work now.

Brooksie is talking about the deadline. If they keep enough head room, no retention will be needed when the time comes.

I'm not for this move since I know he's going to go on Panarin's opposite wing which would be monumentally stupid since he's an infinitely better fit with Zibanejad.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Did he play it in his 25 games with the Rangers of his 34 games with Hartford?

Yeah being able to do it on the big ice is wayyyy different than being able to do it at the NHL level.

Regardless, unless Nils' feet improve, I don't see him beating out Jones unless we go through another training camp of shenanigans or Jones gets hurt. We need a competent puck mover in our unit and Nils is the furthest thing from that (his controlled exits/contributions to controlled entries was worse than Nemeths!)

 

[Thirty One]

Thats to make it work now.

Brooksie is talking about the deadline. If they keep enough head room, no retention will be needed when the time comes.

I'm not for this move since I know he's going to go on Panarin's opposite wing which would be monumentally stupid since he's an infinitely better fit with Zibanejad.

It will be hard to keep enough head room without using Brooksie math.

 

[Alluckks]

Yeah being able to do it on the big ice is wayyyy different than being able to do it at the NHL level.

Regardless, unless Nils' feet improve, I don't see him beating out Jones unless we go through another training camp of shenanigans or Jones gets hurt. We need a competent puck mover in our unit and Nils is the furthest thing from that (his controlled exits/contributions to controlled entries was worse than Nemeths!)

It was also a point on what the Rangers see it as. If he didn't do it in 25 games in the NHL last year, nor 34 games in the AHL, then they don't see him as that. We aren't gonna pretend the idea was never ever talked about just because he didn't play it in live games, or even possibly practiced a bit to see.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It will be hard to keep enough head room without using Brooksie math.

I'm also an idiot because I had it in my head that Kane was only at 5.25 in full because I'm so used to seeing his salary retained at 50%.

At his full hit theres no chance.

 

[huerter]

Regardless- none of them deserve a chance to be on our roster .

You can't undonk what you said.