Speculation: Roster Building Thread: (still) No Quinn In NY Edition

[duhmetreE]

For the people touting Lundkvist as a possible player - you didn’t watch … he was blown off the rink .
We invested in a dud .

Howden
Hajek
Lundkvist
Henriksson
Names

 

[Kocur26]

“The Rangers are hunting for a Cup but are being hunted for a playoff spot after a summer in which they objectively have not improved. They are relying on projected upside from their yoots to take the next step”
“Meanwhile, Ottawa looks to have dramatically improved, Columbus added a game-changer, Detroit has added important pieces and so have the Devils”

LB

 

[Thirty One]

I'm also an idiot because I had it in my head that Kane was only at 5.25 in full because I'm so used to seeing his salary retained at 50%.

At his full hit theres no chance.

Yeah been there.

 

[duhmetreE]

Had the NHL simply sustained this modest annual escalation, this year’s cap would be set at $90.64 million with an increase to $93.91 million for 2023-24. Instead, it is $82.5 million this season and will be $83.5 million for 2023-24.

6. Another dose of reality: The Rangers will subtract $8.965 million from the cap after the season on expiring contracts of Ryan Reaves, Sammy Blais, Dryden Hunt and Jaro Halak plus dead weight buyout charges.

But they will owe second contracts to Lafreniere, K’Andre Miller, Chytil and Kravtsov and will have to replace those departing free agents.

It may be folly to look ahead a full 12 months, but regardless of their value to the unit, it is going to be mighty difficult for the Rangers to keep Barclay Goodrow and Ryan Lindgren beyond this season.

I wouldn't be surprised with approaching $100M cap in 2025. Revenue is going to skyrocket.

 

[Kocur26]

You can't undonk what you said.

No idea what you’re saying?
I’m very consistent you just may not like my comments but I’m very consistent . I
never wanted any of these three guys regardless of their cap # - but yes if they are called up then they count against the Cap I . never wanna see these guys in the uniform again.

 

[bbny]

“The Rangers are hunting for a Cup but are being hunted for a playoff spot after a summer in which they objectively have not improved. They are relying on projected upside from their yoots to take the next step”
“Meanwhile, Ottawa looks to have dramatically improved, Columbus added a game-changer, Detroit has added important pieces and so have the Devils”

LB

I like Larry, but he’s wrong. It’s anything but objective.

Too many people are mistakenly comparing a post-deadline team that the Rangers could not have afforded for a full season, to the current roster. The current roster is not what would be competing for a Cup after next year’s trade deadline. They will make additions. The comparison needs to be apples to apples:

Current roster VS last year’s pre-deadline roster (I like current roster more)

AND

Next year’s post deadline roster VS last year’s post-deadline roster (TBD)

He keeps talking about Kane. Well, if Kane is added to this current roster, then the playoff roster will be miles better than last year’s.

 

[CLW]

Yeah being able to do it on the big ice is wayyyy different than being able to do it at the NHL level.

Regardless, unless Nils' feet improve, I don't see him beating out Jones unless we go through another training camp of shenanigans or Jones gets hurt. We need a competent puck mover in our unit and Nils is the furthest thing from that (his controlled exits/contributions to controlled entries was worse than Nemeths!)

That was because the grand plan was for Nils to defer the puck to Nemeth. Nemeth was there to school Nils in how things work at the NHL level...!

/doublepicard

 

[mas0764]

This isn't true in the slightest.

Zibanejad, Panarin, Vatrano and Strome were 2/3rds of our top 6. Those are pure skill guys. Kreider is a bit of a hybrid, but he probably swings more in that direction these days so thats 5 out of 6. The lack of grind in the top 6 was an issue and one that they're taking steps towards remedying. Personally, I don't think Gallant did a great job of finding a balance last year. I don't think there was a perfect solution, but there were better ones than what he threw out there.

To this point, they're going to be throwing Kravtsov into that group as well. I don't know how anyone can say that there is a shortage of skill. Theres a shortage of pairing said skill with the right compliments, but thats a different conversation.

Theres a reason why the "kid" line was successful in the playoffs - They were the only line that was able to generate chances off the cycle. The top 2 lines were one and done - Skill isnt fixing that.

But Drury can't become fixated on trying to fill the roster with those guys either. The Blues kind of did it when they won, but guys like ROR and Schenn are "skilled" grinders. ROR is elite in that regard.

I said they swung too far in that direction, not that there was a shortage of skill.

 

[huerter]

No idea what you’re saying?
I’m very consistent you just may not like my comments but I’m very consistent . I
never wanted any of these three guys regardless of their cap # - but yes if they are called up then they count against the Cap I . never wanna see these guys in the uniform again.

They count against the cap....at near minimum amounts. Yes you are consistent. I agree.

 

[mas0764]

They have skill. They lost to Tampa because they couldn't or refused to get to the paint. Too many shifts were one and done in the offensive zone. For as skilled as Colorado is, their top players aren't afraid to get dirty and do the work necessary to score goals in the playoffs.

I mean, I may be splitting hairs, but when I say "skill wins" I'm not saying "finesse players win."

Guys who are skilled at scoring from the dirty areas are still skilled, as opposed to slower, non-scoring players who just muck it up which I would classify as non-skilled.

I would say Colorado has better high end players than us. Ryan Strome wasn't one of them just because he's finesse.

 

[JimmyG89]

I like Larry, but he’s wrong. It’s anything but objective.

Too many people are mistakenly comparing a post-deadline team that the Rangers could not have afforded for a full season, to the current roster. The current roster is not what would be competing for a Cup after next year’s trade deadline. They will make additions. The comparison needs to be apples to apples:

Current roster VS last year’s pre-deadline roster (I like current roster more)

AND

Next year’s post deadline roster VS last year’s post-deadline roster (TBD)

He keeps talking about Kane. Well, if Kane is added to this current roster, then the playoff roster will be miles better than last year’s.

Not to mention that those same teams also moved off pieces and now are adding back onto a roster that was more depleted. Some didn't strip it down as much, but others did.

The unique thing about the Rangers is that their young guys are just as talented if not more talented that other team's young guys, and then their vets are in their prime. And nobody else has an Shesterkin. The only up-and-coming team with a goalie like that is the Islanders and they all got their AARP letters this summer.

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[Lone Ranger]

Plus he is the abrasive in your face type of player that we can still afford . If he has a great season and scores goals in the double digits...he likely won't be here next season as somebody will pay him more than we can . It's a vicious circle with players and contracts and cap .

Guys making $$ 900,000.00 or less must be barely surviving after taxes , rent/housing , agent fees and vehicles . Do teams pay any of those costs outside of the player agents ? I'm sure some cities living costs are higher/lower than another ? Imagine doing it with a wife and 3-4 children in certain cities . I wonder what the breakdown resembles ?

And that's not even mentioning the escrow money, that takes 20 plus percent out of every player's salary until the owners are paid what they're owed.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I said they swung too far in that direction, not that there was a shortage of skill.

I don't see how thats the case when you look at the make up of their top 6/9 last year.

 

[mas0764]

You can’t explore trading Kreider without asking him what teams he’s be willing to waive his NMC for. I don’t think the Rangers can ask him that unless they’d be willing to waive him, and the only way they’d be comfortable doing that is if they already have a deal in place to make the team better.

Has a team pulled off a move like this? The Lightning trading McDonagh isn’t as complicated bc they were using the cap space to resign their own players to extend their run at another Cup, not bring in talent outside the organization via trade. McDonagh also means a lot less to the Lightning than Kreider does as a leader and longest tenured Ranger.

I think the McDonagh thing basically proves that talking a player into waiving by telling him he's not wanted is far, far easier than people on this board make it seem. Why the hell would McDonagh want to waive to go to Nashville? There is zero reason for him to do it, but all the team had to do was to tell him that he wasn't part of their plans, and he did.

The Rangers are gonna run everything back this year but come next offseason Edge, before he departed, heavily insinuated the Rangers will be discussing moving salary out. And this was before they signed Trochek.

They need that money to extend their kids. They are going to come to one of these highly paid players at some point asking them to waive, it's just a matter of time.

As I said, my money would be on Trouba. I don't think they will ask Kreider because he's got tenure, but I'm saying personally I would have explored it because he could have returned an absolute haul and they are in the unique position of being able to ship out a player who will probably score 30 goals this season for the asset haul of a player who scored 50 goals, and not miss that 30 goal subtraction much at all given that Lafreniere, Kakko and Kravtsov probably make up most of the difference.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

 

[DanielBrassard]

Why do you have to do this

Show Zegras fren.

 

[MrAlmost]

I dont know about you guys but I like the color red more than blue. I dont see the problem here.

 

[mas0764]

JT Miller will be upset. Brooks dumped him for Kane.

Where are the Rangers finding the cap space for Kane? They will have $600K to $700K remaining after Kakko signs.

22 player roster.

The Rangers are not using the same 22 players for the entire season.

At least the team mouthpieces are beginning to admit the inevitable - Brooks says "It will be difficult for the Rangers to keep Barclay Goodrow or Ryan Lindgren after this season." No shit, but here's a better idea....

..... Just f***ing dump Trouba!

Call his ass up and get him to waive.

Trouba and Lindgren are roughly equal value to the team on the ice except one player makes $5m more than the other.

Christ, if the team dumps Lindgren over Trouba they are idiots.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I like Larry, but he’s wrong. It’s anything but objective.

Too many people are mistakenly comparing a post-deadline team that the Rangers could not have afforded for a full season, to the current roster. The current roster is not what would be competing for a Cup after next year’s trade deadline. They will make additions. The comparison needs to be apples to apples:

Current roster VS last year’s pre-deadline roster (I like current roster more)

AND

Next year’s post deadline roster VS last year’s post-deadline roster (TBD)

He keeps talking about Kane. Well, if Kane is added to this current roster, then the playoff roster will be miles better than last year’s.

Agreed.

Going into the season last year this team is miles ahead of last year for several reasons...

Schneider will start out of the gate
Lafereniere, Chytil and Miller took it to another level.
Trocheck is an all around upgrade over Strome
You can ink in Blais for the whole season, if he wants to go that route.
Kravstov is a wildcard, but he will be there instead of Gauthier who played a ton of games last season.
Who knows if Cuylle or Othmann stick around and provide a spark that is more significant than the McKeggs, Brodzinskis and Gettingers that were forced into the lineup.

Oh and lets not forget that the entire team played 20 playoff games, including all of the kids and their newly minted Vezina winner

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Why do you have to do this

wE sHOuLD haVe SElEcTeD HUUUUUSE!

 

[mas0764]

JT Miller will be upset. Brooks dumped him for Kane.

Where are the Rangers finding the cap space for Kane? They will have $600K to $700K remaining after Kakko signs.

22 player roster.

The Rangers are not using the same 22 players for the entire season.

At least the team mouthpieces are beginning to admit the inevitable - Brooks says "It will be difficult for the Rangers to keep Barclay Goodrow or Ryan Lindgren after this season."

Just f***ing dump Trouba!

Call his ass up and get him to waive.

Trouba and Lindgren are roughly equal value to the team on the ice except one player makes $5m more than the other.

Christ, if the team dumps Lindgren over Trouba they are idiots.

That's the last thing this team needs. Add a depth guy at the deadline if you have to, but adding a veteran D just to take minutes away from your blueline prospects is a dumb move.

The 3rd pair should be either Lundkvist-Schneider or Jones-Schneider, and next year when they inevitably ask Trouba to waive his NMC for cap reasons, all 3 of them will be playing.

You are like my BFF. I should come on your show.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Why do you have to do this

Its really one of the weirdest victory laps I've seen anyone take here.

 

[mas0764]

Trocheck's style works in a lot of ways better for the Rangers. One way not talked about is his net front presence for Powerplay 2.

Rangers experimented all year with how to get that 2nd powerplay going. The first powerplay largely revolves around Kreider being planted in front of the net, then the perimeter work flows. The Rangers kept trying different guys in front of the net on the 2nd unit (hell, we even had Hunt there at one point). Trocheck is a great net front guy, but won't take over from Kreider.

Trocheck slides into PP2, and it allows Laf to take the free spot on PP1, which is likely with his 2 even strength linemates as well (Zib and Kreider).

Love it.

Cap credit for Goodrow buyout. $200,000 next season and $100,000 in 23-24

So we only save $200k by dumping him, as opposed to his full $3.6m?

That means you need to find a trade partner.

 

[mas0764]

Thats to make it work now.

Brooksie is talking about the deadline. If they keep enough head room, no retention will be needed when the time comes.

I'm not for this move since I know he's going to go on Panarin's opposite wing which would be monumentally stupid since he's an infinitely better fit with Zibanejad.

If we sign Kakko and bring Blais off IR, how much cap room do we have at the deadline? I thought only a couple hundred thousand.