Speculation: Roster Building Thread: (still) No Quinn In NY Edition

[Zynbanejad]

sucks we can't snag Tkachuk in this timeline but that's just how it goes. We 100% have the assets that Calgary would be looking for via trade but we don't have any money at the moment to add him into the fold.
If we had never extended Kreids a couple years ago or if we had never gotten Trouba I'm sure we'd be all over this right now and more willing to make it work, would probably move Chytil and Kakko for him.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Blais
Panarin-Trocheck-Tkachuk
Othmann-Goodrow-Kravtsov
Cuylle-Carpenter-Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Hajek-Lundkvist

would this fantasy lineup even work against the cap? Hell of a top-6

Agreed! We easily have the best offer if we had the cap space.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Chara and Greene confirmed to not be returning? Because that NYI number looks about 20 years too low

 

[mas0764]

I think if we have a little patience we will have our very own Matt Tkachuk on our hands with Laffy

I'm surprised and a little confounded at your faith in Lafreniere yet your utter lack of it for Kakko despite them both being in very similar positions.

Kakko's first three years - 0.35 ppg, 0.35 ppg, 0.42 ppg.
Lafreniere's first two years - 0.38 ppg, 0.39 ppg.

Both have been given limited opportunities in the top 6 and next to no opportunity on the power play. Lafreniere has shown a little more as a scorer but Kakko has shown more as a high end defender and possession player.

I can't help but suspect it's because Kakko was out half the year and if he had finished the season with his pace for about 14 goals with no ST time, we would not be nearly as down on him.

You think Lafreniere is going to be a 100 point forward like Tkachuk but you are throwing Kakko into any trade for a 33 year old you can find. I don't get it.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I was thinking:

Kreid Zib Blais
Bread Torch Krav
Kid Line
The Rest

Then you have the option of:
AP MZ CK
AL VT KK
Rookie Chytil Kravtsov
Blais Goodrow A Guy

PP1 and PP2 can be the same either way, technically. That's not bad. Plus some flexibility.

D and G are pretty set, so I'm pretty happy.

They can't keep Laf out of the top 6 anymore, likely the same with Kakko or these kids are gonna wanna play somewhere else. Lafreniere has earned that spot, Kakko may still have to earn it but he should get the chance to as well.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Kachunk without Johnny Hockey going ham beast mode is a 80 point player max.

Very good player but a bit overrated

 

[kovazub94]

Kreider-Chytil-Kakko would make teams forfeit. That line would hold the puck in the offensive zone for minutes at a time, not seconds. Trick is how to fill the lineup around it.

Panarin-Trochek-Blais
Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kravtsov?

Give the Panarin line the "3rd line" minutes and that'll make teams piss themselves, then forfeit.

Goodrow-Trochek-Kakko matchup line goes into effect during the playoffs.


Arizona is going to relocate or fold at this rate before Matthews gets to FA.

I really do think it's Toronto, Arizona, or the Rangers for him in two years. The cap is going to go up just in time.

I liked the lines configuration until you came up with your match-up line for playoffs. The modern NHL went away from a traditional checking line (is what it would be in the above G-T-K configuration because I only see a minimal scoring from them) except for when it's your 4th line. The modern match-up line must be able to score too.

 

[duhmetreE]

Panarin Tro Laffy
Kreider Zibs Kravtsov
Blais Chytil Kakko
Goodrow Carpenter Hunt

That's my lineup until training camp... where guys like Cuylle, Rydahl and Othmann can possibly force their way onto the squad... then there's the strong chance of Blais getting hurt.. minor chance of Chytil and Kakko getting hurt.

 

[mas0764]

The problem with the Tkachuk situation is that while he is a player we could seemingly use someone like, we have too many wings and not enough centers as it is, and on top of that we can't come close to affording him. There's not even anyone we can move to afford him. It would have to be Trouba AND someone else. And for a wing, when we need centers, I'm just not going there.

The next problem is that the only teams out there with cap space to afford him are, like, our arch enemies.

Philly, NJD, the Isles.

Ugh.

They can't keep Laf out of the top 6 anymore, likely the same with Kakko or these kids are gonna wanna play somewhere else. Lafreniere has earned that spot, Kakko may still have to earn it but he should get the chance to as well.

Plus, there's zero reason to have Blais in the top 6 and only very little reason to have him in the top 9.

He's the most overrated player on our roster.

 

[McRanger92]

I'm surprised and a little confounded at your faith in Lafreniere yet your utter lack of it for Kakko despite them both being in very similar positions.

Kakko's first three years - 0.35 ppg, 0.35 ppg, 0.42 ppg.
Lafreniere's first two years - 0.38 ppg, 0.39 ppg.

Both have been given limited opportunities in the top 6 and next to no opportunity on the power play. Lafreniere has shown a little more as a scorer but Kakko has shown more as a high end defender and possession player.

I can't help but suspect it's because Kakko was out half the year and if he had finished the season with his pace for about 14 goals with no ST time, we would not be nearly as down on him.

You think Lafreniere is going to be a 100 point forward like Tkachuk but you are throwing Kakko into any trade for a 33 year old you can find. I don't get it.

Youre putting a lot of words in my mouth with this post. Lafreniere has shown more in less games than Kakko has, especially as a scorer. You can be mad all you want but based on all the reporting from people around the Rangers, Laf is untouchable and Kakko isnt.

 

[duhmetreE]

What if Buch gets traded to CGY for Tkachuk... then they eat 50% and send him back here for Lundkvist

 

[The Crypto Guy]

What if Buch gets traded to CGY for Tkachuk... then they eat 50% and send him back here for Lundkvist

Then we have too many wingers again and can't develop our young stars.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The problem with the Tkachuk situation is that while he is a player we could seemingly use someone like, we have too many wings and not enough centers as it is, and on top of that we can't come close to affording him. There's not even anyone we can move to afford him. It would have to be Trouba AND someone else. And for a wing, when we need centers, I'm just not going there.

The next problem is that the only teams out there with cap space to afford him are, like, our arch enemies.

Philly, NJD, the Isles.

Ugh.



Plus, there's zero reason to have Blais in the top 6 and only very little reason to have him in the top 9.

He's the most overrated player on our roster.

Philly isn't even cap compliant at the moment.

Isles cap space is a mirage. Most of that open space is going to be eaten by Dobson and Romanov. They don't have the chips to get it done either.

NJD have the space and the chips, but it doesn't sound like he would have any interest in extending there.

It will be the blues when the dust settles. Interest from both sides, a big contract player on STL who WANTS out to clear the necessary space to fit him in for next year and other pieces which fit the bill for a trade that they'd be willing to part with.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Agreed, but in 2-3 years where Panarin will be fading, Matt will still be in his prime.

I'm a huge proponent of straight line, go to the net hockey, and my preference is for those snarly PITA's that can score.

I'd trade Kreider, Trouba and a 1st for Matty

Position aside, yes he is a winger, but Rangers dont that type of aggressive power forward outside of Kreider and Lafy. He is good along the boards which this team can also use help at. imagine one PP Tkachuk and another PP with Kreider. That would be fun to watch.


Signed Tkachuk to Rangers
Kakko Chytil Lundkvist Robertson to Flames.


Rangers trade Reaves Gauthier Hajek to Hawks for a pick
Rangers trade Panarin to Ducks for McTavish

 

[TominNC]

#74 will be in the rafters at MSG when all is said & done.

You'd think he could afford a better seat.

 

[duhmetreE]

guys.... please.

Tkachuk is not happening... Guaranteed






or Tob deletes his account

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Also Im amused by the thought of Vegas frantically trying to figure out how to swing a Tkachuk trade.

 

[RangerBoy]

The problem with the Tkachuk situation is that while he is a player we could seemingly use someone like, we have too many wings and not enough centers as it is, and on top of that we can't come close to affording him. There's not even anyone we can move to afford him. It would have to be Trouba AND someone else. And for a wing, when we need centers, I'm just not going there.

The next problem is that the only teams out there with cap space to afford him are, like, our arch enemies.

Philly, NJD, the Isles.

Ugh.



Plus, there's zero reason to have Blais in the top 6 and only very little reason to have him in the top 9.

He's the most overrated player on our roster.

The Flyers have no space. The Islanders weren't bidders for Gaudreau because they needed to clear money. The Devils have cap space but they will have move Bratt in the Tkachuk deal. They can't afford both players.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The Flyers have no space. The Islanders weren't bidders for Gaudreau because they needed to clear money. The Devils have cap space but they will have move Bratt in the Tkachuk deal. They can't afford both players.

Kyrou+Tarasenko would open up exactly what St Louis would need space wise for Tkachuk.

If Calgary is tearing it down, They can easily retain for a year on Tarasenko for assets immediately.

If a trade happens soon, it'll be something with those players and a few other pieces. 2023 1st, prospect, done.

 

[Chytilmania]

I do Nils+ to facilitate that trade. Loved Guhle coming out.

 

[RangerBoy]

Kyrou+Tarasenko would open up exactly what St Louis would need space wise for Tkachuk.

If Calgary is tearing it down, They can easily retain for a year on Tarasenko for assets immediately.

If a trade happens soon, it'll be something with those players and a few other pieces. 2023 1st, prospect, done.

Jake Neighbors is from Calgary. The Flames will probably want Neighbors in the deal.

I read their owner Murray Edwards is not interested in a rebuild.

Matt Duchene doesn't have a restriction clause this season. Nashville could trade Duchene to Calgary. How big money players can Nashville afford? Ryan Johansen doesn't have any clauses. Forberg is at $8.5M. They added McDonagh's $6.75M.

 

[duhmetreE]

I don't think it'll be a big trade.

Kyrou + Neighbors for Tkachuk

Tarasenko to wherever he would accept a trade. Maybe he'd be willing to go to Calgary

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't think it'll be a big trade.

Kyrou + Neighbors for Tkachuk

Tarasenko to wherever he would accept a trade. Maybe he'd be willing to go to Calgary

That 2023 1st is going too and the Blues wouldn't care.

No idea if Tara would want to go to Calgary, I doubt it.

 

[duhmetreE]

That 2023 1st is going too and the Blues wouldn't care.

No idea if Tara would want to go to Calgary, I doubt it.

I'd take their 1st for Nils

have a re-roll in a deep draft. Not that it's great value but it keeps the propsect pool deep when we get cap crunched

 

[pld459666]

Position aside, yes he is a winger, but Rangers dont that type of aggressive power forward outside of Kreider and Lafy. He is good along the boards which this team can also use help at. imagine one PP Tkachuk and another PP with Kreider. That would be fun to watch.


Signed Tkachuk to Rangers
Kakko Chytil Lundkvist Robertson to Flames.


Rangers trade Reaves Gauthier Hajek to Hawks for a pick
Rangers trade Panarin to Ducks for McTavish

I'm not doing that.

Need to be able to fit him financially and that doesn't get it done.

Additionally, his age would fit better WITH those kids and not in place of them.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Panarin Tro Laffy
Kreider Zibs Kravtsov
Blais Chytil Kakko
Goodrow Carpenter Hunt

That's my lineup until training camp... where guys like Cuylle, Rydahl and Othmann can possibly force their way onto the squad... then there's the strong chance of Blais getting hurt.. minor chance of Chytil and Kakko getting hurt.

I’m not sure if Kravtsov can get his heart rate up to where it needs to be