Speculation: Roster Building Thread: (still) No Quinn In NY Edition

[LaffyTaffy13]

Just read some of Vince's articles and listened to his last podcast episode. I give our beat a lot of shit, cause they deserve it, but I agree with a lot of things he said and wrote. The projected lineup he has is the exact one I expect, except he has Hunt starting and I think Carpenter starts because he is a center and I think Kreider might move to the right and Laf plays left side of Z.

As far as Trocheck is concerned, I like the signing and a point he made is one I made and still agree with, if Chytil breaks out, or maybe a future center (BMB? Korczak?) breaks out, and plays in the top 6, Trocheck out of all the centers available would serve as the best 3C. He is good on both sides of the puck, has a great motor, plays all situations and great on draws. His cap hit will look better as the years go and the upper limit rises.

I could see Rydahl and/or Trivigno playing their way in and Hunt maybe an odd man out. Rydahl's size and center capability and Trivigno's potential and motor make them good candidates to steal spots and push Hunt out and maybe Reaves to the 13th forward spot, which I think is perfect for Reaves since he is older now.

I think the Rangers had equal to even more talks with Vancouver about Garland then they ever had about Miller. I think that is the type of player Drury likes and I think they hope Trivigno can be that guy for cheap.

7th youngest team in the league, 2nd youngest D. Could get even younger without even injecting the top pick guys like Cuylle, Othmann, Berard, etc. Things are interesting to say the least. Is it September yet?

The one i disagree with is our 4th line. I think we dont see hunt next year and our 4th line is goodrow-carpenter-rydahl/reaves. I just dont think rydahl signs here unless there was some assurance hed be playing in the nhl.

Krav is going to be so interesting to watch. Due to our cap situation he HAS TO play for us. And him playing with little pressure and a little more free and open will be fun to watch. Its entirely possible early in the season we see kakko/krav switch back and forth on 2nd line to see who fits best. I actually think it may be krav as he has a better shot

 

[Kords]

It's not possible for things to change?

Of course it is. Which is why all but guaranteeing he's getting moved is a bad call to begin with.

 

[JimmyG89]

Vince cracks me up. A few months ago he was giving Kravtsov like a 1 percent chance of staying a Ranger, but now that it's obvious he was wrong his "sources" are saying Kravy has a spot. I mean, he' s probably the best we got but shit like that annoys me.

Everyone had him out the door. I don't think it was exclusive to Vince. The entire beat and national media were saying his days in NY were numbered.

Then there was conversations behind the scenes. Clearly, the plan of keeping Hajek/Gauthier and sending Kravtsov for "conditioning" blew up in their faces. They were unwilling to part with a perceived asset. Gauthier and Hajek easily clear waivers now and maybe they don't last season. I would think they would, but Gauthier had good AHL numbers and a team would have taken a shot on him.

Kravtsov will not. He would be claimed by Arizona immediately (I do not think Montreal would take him since Gorton also had his issues). Once it became clear that Gauthier was not the answer, I'm sure Drury and company were kicking each other over the fact that they could have started with Kravtsov or even went back and forth between the two and sent Hajek to the AHL. I think that is the bigger head scratching move, especially since the team was rolling with 8D. You could have had your former #9 overall pick, that is clearly talented at hockey, playing in the top 6 or top 9.

Hopefully it is water under the bridge, but something does tell me that after this season Kravtsov gets moved unless he absolutely explodes and produces at a top 6 level.

 

[JimmyG89]

Vegas? In what world do they have space to add him? Unless Calgary is going to take Weber's deal and Martinez, maybe even someone like Karlsson. Big salary would need to go back. Not going to happen.

Nashville I can see. Obviously St. Louis cause it is his hometown.

Feel like Calgary moves him to whoever gives the most, regardless of contract situations with that team or Tkachuk's desire to sign there long term.

 

[RangerBoy]

Vegas? In what world do they have space to add him? Unless Calgary is going to take Weber's deal and Martinez, maybe even someone like Karlsson. Big salary would need to go back. Not going to happen.

Nashville I can see. Obviously St. Louis cause it is his hometown.

Feel like Calgary moves him to whoever gives the most, regardless of contract situations with that team or Tkachuk's desire to sign there long term.

Most of the teams Tkachuk would be willing to sign with have no cap space and they have players with restriction clauses who would never approve to be traded to Calgary.

St. Louis
Nashville
Vegas
Florida
Dallas

The Devils are mentioned as having had interest in the past.

The Rangers are mentioned as having had interest in the look past.

 

[RagFinMet]

What can we do to convice Pan to wave so he can be traded to Calgary for Tkachuk?

 

[rangers1314]

5 teams are listed as destinations Tkachuk wants. The first one is his home town.

The other 4 are no income tax.

 

[mas0764]

Pass.

It is literally impossible for the Rangers to acquire Tkachuk right now. Neither Panarin, nor Kreider, nor Trouba are waiving for Calgary. Who even has cap space left?

Tkachuk is better off signing a two year bridge and picking his destination. Calgary isn't going to want to lose both he and Gaudreau for nothing. Trevling would be fired before he could make it to the press conference on July 1, 2024 if that happened.

It's a buyer's trade market. Not many teams with cap space and the teams that do and have assets will hold teams over a barrel to get them to lower their price. This isn't a PLD situation where you can wait the player out and trade him later. Chevy will get his price from Montreal. Their media and fanbase are going to put too much pressure on Hughes to get it done to retool and compete for the playoffs again next year. That fanbase is more impatient than any other.

It's impossible for the Rangers to add literally anyone that's not an ELC or an expiring deal at the deadline.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

What can we do to convice Pan to wave so he can be traded to Calgary for Tkachuk?

 

[AirGut]

sucks we can't snag Tkachuk in this timeline but that's just how it goes. We 100% have the assets that Calgary would be looking for via trade but we don't have any money at the moment to add him into the fold.
If we had never extended Kreids a couple years ago or if we had never gotten Trouba I'm sure we'd be all over this right now and more willing to make it work, would probably move Chytil and Kakko for him.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Blais
Panarin-Trocheck-Tkachuk
Othmann-Goodrow-Kravtsov
Cuylle-Carpenter-Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Hajek-Lundkvist

would this fantasy lineup even work against the cap? Hell of a top-6

 

[Thirty One]

sucks we can't snag Tkachuk in this timeline but that's just how it goes. We 100% have the assets that Calgary would be looking for via trade but we don't have any money at the moment to add him into the fold.
If we had never extended Kreids a couple years ago or if we had never gotten Trouba I'm sure we'd be all over this right now and more willing to make it work, would probably move Chytil and Kakko for him.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Blais
Panarin-Trocheck-Tkachuk
Othmann-Goodrow-Kravtsov
Cuylle-Carpenter-Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Hajek-Lundkvist

would this fantasy lineup even work against the cap? Hell of a top-6

I think that team would:
1. be cap-compliant
2. suck ass

 

[Fitzy]

It's a longstanding rule that any star forward available for any reason gets discussed here regardless of fit, need, or practicality.

This is my response to your silly Tkachuk rosters

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

sucks we can't snag Tkachuk in this timeline but that's just how it goes. We 100% have the assets that Calgary would be looking for via trade but we don't have any money at the moment to add him into the fold.
If we had never extended Kreids a couple years ago or if we had never gotten Trouba I'm sure we'd be all over this right now and more willing to make it work, would probably move Chytil and Kakko for him.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Blais
Panarin-Trocheck-Tkachuk
Othmann-Goodrow-Kravtsov
Cuylle-Carpenter-Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Hajek-Lundkvist

would this fantasy lineup even work against the cap? Hell of a top-6

That 2nd line is awesome.

That botom 6 is rough and that bottom pair would make me avoid watching this team for the entire season.

 

[ncmike]

I like Matt Tkachuk's game. A snarly prick of a player with skill.

Could use that here in NY

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Crazy how young our top 6 is.

Even crazier that the top 5 have a combined for 133 playoff games already

 

[EdJovanovski]

What can we do to convice Pan to wave so he can be traded to Calgary for Tkachuk?

Panarin is way better than Tkachuk

 

[McRanger92]

I think if we have a little patience we will have our very own Matt Tkachuk on our hands with Laffy

 

[RangersFan1994]

I think if we have a little patience we will have our very own Matt Tkachuk on our hands with Laffy

Othmann has that in him that is for sure. Rangers top 6 needs to have more nastiness. I wish Kreider played like Tkachuk.

 

[New York RKY]

Panarin is way better than Tkachuk

At what? Passing the puck to Kucherov? Yeah probably.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Would absolutely love Matt on this team but its highly doubtful theres a way to make it work.

 

[RangerBoy]

Nobody wants to play in Canada.

I was listening to Andrew Peters and Craig Rivet's podcast.



They had a funny discussion about Tage Thompson's next contract. He has one more season remaining at $1.4M. He had a very good season last year. Rivet was bringing up other players who received contract extensions this summer. Josh Norris. $7.9M. Robert Thomas. $8.125M. That's the market for Thompson. Peters is losing his mind.

They talked about Canada. Nobody wants to play there. High taxes. Weather. Edmonton's airport is an hour away from downtown Edmonton. The building in Calgary is awful. Winnipeg is awful. The media is tough.

Scott Burnside and Mike McKenna have a podcast. The Suitcase and The Scribe. Canada is a tough sell for some players.

Would absolutely love Matt on this team but its highly doubtful theres a way to make it work.

Highly doubtful is an understatement.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I would trade a lot to get Matthew Tkachuk on the Rangers, but he’s also a very selfish player, so I don’t think it would pan out and I’d ultimately be fired in a few seasons.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

As long as the Devils dont land him I'll be happy.

 

[pld459666]

Panarin is way better than Tkachuk

Agreed, but in 2-3 years where Panarin will be fading, Matt will still be in his prime.

I'm a huge proponent of straight line, go to the net hockey, and my preference is for those snarly PITA's that can score.

I'd trade Kreider, Trouba and a 1st for Matty

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Kreider-Chytil-Kakko would make teams forfeit. That line would hold the puck in the offensive zone for minutes at a time, not seconds. Trick is how to fill the lineup around it.

Panarin-Trochek-Blais
Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kravtsov?

Give the Panarin line the "3rd line" minutes and that'll make teams piss themselves, then forfeit.

Goodrow-Trochek-Kakko matchup line goes into effect during the playoffs.


Arizona is going to relocate or fold at this rate before Matthews gets to FA.

I really do think it's Toronto, Arizona, or the Rangers for him in two years. The cap is going to go up just in time.

the trick is Gallant will never do it, and Kreider will probably not be happy about leaving his bestie either even if Gallant did try