Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXXI

[I Eat Crow]

Isn't Kravtsov's father a big time former KGB?

I'd just keep Kravtsov until the war hopefully blows over. You're getting nothing for him right now. He's staying in Russia.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Emojis work now!

 

[EdJovanovski]

Isn't Kravtsov's father a big time former KGB?

I'd just keep Kravtsov until the war hopefully blows over. You're getting nothing for him right now. He's staying in Russia.

What difference would that make? Is Kravtsov going to become a spy or something?

 

[rangers1314]

Isn't Kravtsov's father a big time former KGB?

I'd just keep Kravtsov until the war hopefully blows over. You're getting nothing for him right now. He's staying in Russia.

No such thing as "former KGB"

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Man that Staple article was both a good reality check and a pretty frustrating read.

Highlights some of the logic gaps with the way NHL execs think. Basically makes Lundkvist sound like a project throw-in like Kravtsov because he is a "bit down in the organization"...basically because Schneider is really good and the NYR have Fox/Trouba, that means Lundkvist is no longer a desirable "top prospect". Makes no sense. Same line of reasoning as "we need your top prospect" when the NYR top prospect is Lafreniere instead of Peyton Krebs.

Also if Kakko's value is as low as this exec implies (not even close w/Lundkvist for Kane, would need to be Kakko + 1st + top prospect for Scheifele/Larkin), they better not trade him. In that case the best ROI to NYR is holding him.

 

[mrhockey193195]

Over the last 5 years, cumulative:

Reg Season PP Opps / game = 2.95
Playoff PP Opps / game = 3.21

Pretty surprised by that. I ran the numbers 6-7 years ago and got the opposite result.

Wow, super interesting and not what I expected. Thanks!

 

[bleedblue94]

lehkonen for VK and a 2nd?

 

[Savant]

And that is why you don’t alienate your best prospect by trying to keep a replacement level Players off waivers.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Man that Staple article was both a good reality check and a pretty frustrating read.

Highlights some of the logic gaps with the way NHL execs think. Basically makes Lundkvist sound like a project throw-in like Kravtsov because he is a "bit down in the organization"...basically because Schneider is really good and the NYR have Fox/Trouba, that means Lundkvist is no longer a desirable "top prospect". Makes no sense. Same line of reasoning as "we need your top prospect" when the NYR top prospect is Lafreniere instead of Peyton Krebs.

Also if Kakko's value is as low as this exec implies (not even close w/Lundkvist for Kane, would need to be Kakko + 1st + top prospect for Scheifele/Larkin), they better not trade him. In that case the best ROI to NYR is holding him.

The word "undersized" got thrown around so much in that article it was mind boggling.

Also, who are these execs? Do they still work in the league? Are we talking to Steve Yzerman or Peter Chiarelli? I hate these articles, because these faceless execs could be working for the Islanders, which wouldn't surprise me in the least knowing Staple's connections. These guys certainly don't work for the Rangers so I'm not in any way surprised they would say they have to clean their cupboards out for everything and anything.

I'm sure if this was written last summer and some Blues fan proposed "Buch for Blais + 2" Faceless NHL Exec #2 would have laughed it off. Or, speaking of Buch, what would they have thought about the Rick Nash trade if some fan said Anisimov, Duby, Erixon, 1st for Nash + 3rd?

 

[TominNC]

And that is why you don’t alienate your best prospect by trying to keep a replacement level Players off waivers.

Except that you were trying to send down one of your better prospects to get some conditioning. He would have been up in a week or two, but then we've explained that over and over again.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Kakko and Lundkvist to the Hawks for Patrick Kane — Tim M.

Exec’s take: “Kyle Davidson, it’s Mr. Wirtz on line one … and the other Mr. Wirtz on line two! Imagine being Davidson, brand new GM and walking up to the podium to explain this one. The Rangers can’t afford Kane, so you’d also be asking them to eat half or need another team to eat half the salary for you, and it’s still going to cost you a lot. Kane would be electric in New York with Panarin and would make this must-see TV for the new broadcast partners. Be great if there was no cap. But even if you could work that part out, you’re paying much, much, much more than this. Come on.”

This "exec" has apparently never heard of NMCs. Guess he must have also slept through the Eichel saga. Come on.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

 

[Lone Ranger]

I feel like the Rangers have no choice but to keep Kravtsov if his value is so low. If u trade him and he does well it looks bad, but if u keep him and he plays well then either a) u get a good player or b) can get good value for him in trade.

If u keep him and he plays bad than so be it. Its not like u are getting much for him anyway.

I feel like it makes no sense to trade him now.

I agree with you, except in order for the Rangers to keep him and enhance, or accurately assess, his true value, they'd have to play him regularly. Which after all that's transpired, seems unlikely.

 

[rangers1314]

That's impossible, didn't you hear he sucks and has no clue?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

That's impossible, didn't you hear he sucks and has no clue?

Yes because certainly this is what proves it, not the Rangers lackluster play on the ice. You've cracked the case! Igor should win the Jack Adams this season.

 

[bleedblue94]

Is wyatt johnson a player that could be targeted out of dallas for the long term?

the teams have made deals before, dallas is in the thick of things and could use some reinforcements for this year, especially with heiskanen out now.

probably a pipe dream but wonder if it is something to look at.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Is wyatt johnson a player that could be targeted out of dallas for the long term?

the teams have made deals before, dallas is in the thick of things and could use some reinforcements for this year, especially with heiskanen out now.

probably a pipe dream but wonder if it is something to look at.

no. he just increased his stock too much.

 

[Savant]

Is wyatt johnson a player that could be targeted out of dallas for the long term?

the teams have made deals before, dallas is in the thick of things and could use some reinforcements for this year, especially with heiskanen out now.

probably a pipe dream but wonder if it is something to look at.

There is no reason at all for Dallas to trade Johnson. They “reached” for him, hit the jackpot on the pick, and now they are going to move him out? Things don’t work like that. Clearly a player they highly rated all along. Zero reason for then to move him now when they are vindicated for their investment in him.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Man that Staple article was both a good reality check and a pretty frustrating read.

Highlights some of the logic gaps with the way NHL execs think. Basically makes Lundkvist sound like a project throw-in like Kravtsov because he is a "bit down in the organization"...basically because Schneider is really good and the NYR have Fox/Trouba, that means Lundkvist is no longer a desirable "top prospect". Makes no sense. Same line of reasoning as "we need your top prospect" when the NYR top prospect is Lafreniere instead of Peyton Krebs.

Also if Kakko's value is as low as this exec implies (not even close w/Lundkvist for Kane, would need to be Kakko + 1st + top prospect for Scheifele/Larkin), they better not trade him. In that case the best ROI to NYR is holding him.

I got a kick out of the one guy making John Moore out to be some crucial piece on the Yandle trade lmao

The way it was framed as “he was a third pairing defenseman in a Stanley cup finalist”

Meanwhile in reality he was there to somewhat match salaries and warm body to play D for Arizona lol

 

[RangerBoy]

Brooks wrote about the Rangers plans. He doesn’t see Drury trading their top prospects or young roster players for rentals. As far as the Rangers first round pick is concerned Drury’s interpretation of a late-first-rounder’s value would determine whether that pick could be in play for a rental. Brooks mentioned how the Rangers haven’t given up much for rentals in the past. No first round picks. Sather. Gorton.

The Rangers have more interest in McBain as a free agent instead of trading for him and burning the first year of the ELC.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The Rangers have more interest in McBain as a free agent instead of trading for him and burning the first year of the ELC.

As they should. Drury knows Gallant isn’t going to play that kid if he comes here this year.

Why waste an asset and a potentially valuable year of his ELC for what will amount to nothing?

 

[GAGLine]

Man that Staple article was both a good reality check and a pretty frustrating read.

Highlights some of the logic gaps with the way NHL execs think. Basically makes Lundkvist sound like a project throw-in like Kravtsov because he is a "bit down in the organization"...basically because Schneider is really good and the NYR have Fox/Trouba, that means Lundkvist is no longer a desirable "top prospect". Makes no sense. Same line of reasoning as "we need your top prospect" when the NYR top prospect is Lafreniere instead of Peyton Krebs.

Also if Kakko's value is as low as this exec implies (not even close w/Lundkvist for Kane, would need to be Kakko + 1st + top prospect for Scheifele/Larkin), they better not trade him. In that case the best ROI to NYR is holding him.

Too much recency bias with between fans and media.

 

[bhamill]

Over the last 5 years, cumulative:

Reg Season PP Opps / game = 2.95
Playoff PP Opps / game = 3.21

Pretty surprised by that. I ran the numbers 6-7 years ago and got the opposite result.

Thanks.

 

[Raspewtin]

Except that you were trying to send down one of your better prospects to get some conditioning. He would have been up in a week or two, but then we've explained that over and over again.

and also we've explained over and over again that Drury knew (or, should've) exactly what would come from the re-assignment and was an absolute fool to think it would work this time. instead he worked together with VK to tank one of our best assets to near uselessness.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I got a kick out of the one guy making John Moore out to be some crucial piece on the Yandle trade lmao

The way it was framed as “he was a third pairing defenseman in a Stanley cup finalist”

Meanwhile in reality he was there to somewhat match salaries and warm body to play D for Arizona lol

Yeah, that section was ridiculous. He says you're probably looking at a deal similar to what it took to get Yandle here and then shits on the proposal which actually gave more for Miller than we did for Yandle.

VK, Nils, 1st and 2nd is a haul and this exec acts like it's spare parts. That's on par with what Eichel returned.

And the Scheiefele proposal: "Chytil, Will Cuylle, Robertson and a 2022 first to the Jets for Scheifele and a 2022 fourth — Michael E."

And the exec says it's not even close to enough, which to me it seems like an overpayment.