Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXXI

[Static]

Ducks fan here. Is the person who wrote that proposal at all credible?

 

[17futurecap]

Krav and Nils have to be for cost controlled futures. They ARE cost controlled roster players on ELC and many years of RFA. It's not unreasonable to acquire a cost controlled roster player for Krav/Nils. Likely not going to get a top 6 player at this juncture for Krav but a cost controlled 3rd liner player who may still have more to give should be the goal. I'm okay with holding onto them for summer deals, or hell, even using them when we have depth issues. Last thing we can afford to do is to ship them for a rental like everyone has said.

Would take the chance on Comtois if they really did sour on him, you get years of control on him, still young, if he doesn't work, okay at least you tried a true hockey trade, and not just trading away Krav for a rental gone in two months.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Ducks fan here. Is the person who wrote that proposal at all credible?

Not in any way, shape or form.

 

[Trxjw]

Ducks fan here. Is the person who wrote that proposal at all credible?

Nope.

 

[Static]

Not in any way, shape or form.

Got it, thank you.

 

[Tob]

Would take the chance on Comtois if they really did sour on him, you get years of control on him, still young, if he doesn't work, okay at least you tried a true hockey trade, and not just trading away Krav for a rental gone in two months.

yup i wondered about this a few weeks back. Seems like an ideal swap. Ducks get a guy that can be very talented in krav.

 

[mrhockey193195]

NHL Ranks
Last 4 seasons - 10th in Even strength points (5th among Centers) -- McDavid, Drai, Matthews, Mack top 4 -- 36 more points than Mika
Last 3 seasons - 10th in Even strength points (5th among Centers) -- McDavid, Drai, Matthews, Mack top 4 -- 27 more points than Mika
Last 2 seasons - 13th in Even srength points (5th among Center) -- McDavid, Drai, Matthews, Mack top 4 -- 17 more points than Mika

So yes, he scores at even strength.

Yep, I should have clarified - my concerns are basically from this year only. But I can see the flip side argument - Panarin is having an "off year" at EV but none of us would say we're worried about his ability to produce or consider him on the decline.

 

[mrhockey193195]

While I share your concerns about where he’s generating offense, power play is just as important in the playoffs. Penalties called per 60 for 20-21 regular season was 3.1, in the playoffs it was 3.4.

Interesting, that's not what I would have expected. Do you have stats on PP opportunities in RS vs. Playoffs? I'm curious if the playoffs see more offsetting penalties but not as many PPs.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I have a gazillion doubts about Nils' ability to play at the NHL level.

But I wouldn't move him for a pure rental. If we could pull of an extension on someone like Lindholm I'd be all about it, but that would come with some additional maneuvering.

I do think that a move of that magnitude would be smart though. People need to come to grips with the fact that Ryan Lindgren is not a top pair defenseman.

 

[Rangers in 7]

I have a gazillion doubts about Nils' ability to play at the NHL level.

But I wouldn't move him for a pure rental. If we could pull of an extension on someone like Lindholm I'd be all about it, but that would come with some additional maneuvering.

I do think that a move of that magnitude would be smart though. People need to come to grips with the fact that Ryan Lindgren is not a top pair defenseman.

I’ve been saying for over a month now that Lindgren isn’t a top pair defensemen and we need to upgrade that position

I’ve argued for chychrun but lindholm isn’t a terrible option either

 

[Savant]

I have a gazillion doubts about Nils' ability to play at the NHL level.

But I wouldn't move him for a pure rental. If we could pull of an extension on someone like Lindholm I'd be all about it, but that would come with some additional maneuvering.

I do think that a move of that magnitude would be smart though. People need to come to grips with the fact that Ryan Lindgren is not a top pair defenseman.

The Rangers cannot extend Lindholm. Extending Lindholm would probably mean at around 25m between him, Fox and Trouba . That is simply not happening with the Rangers cap situation. Lindgren should absolutely be looked at as a player that could be upgraded but you can’t break the cap like that. This is why Chychrun with his bargain contract makes sense. Lindholm doesn’t.

 

[Ola]

He's a good 5v5 scorer, but the answer to whether he's a good 5v5 player is murkier. I won't dispute the talent, but Schiefle cheats a lot to get his points. Moreover, he gets a boatload of ice time to boot. He's a net negative at even strength.

Plenty of elite scorers are also porous defensively, but they're mostly wingers and they tend to get more than they give up.

Last 4 seasons - 2nd in 5v5 goals against (2nd among Centers) -- McDavid is #1 (With a +34 differential to Schiefle's -4)
Last 3 seasons - 1st in 5v5 goals against (1st among Centers) -- (-6)
Last 2 seasons - 2nd in 5v5 goals against (1st among Centers) -- (-8)

Honest question, is he really poor defensively or does WJ just give up a lot of odd man rushes when he plays? Is there are a way to see that?

 

[BBKers]

Gotta say that Chris Drury really has shut down all viable internal leaks within the organisation. GMJG ran a tighter ship than DARTH SATHER did (where info leaked all the time - some of it obviously and intentionally incorrect), but this is really ridiculous. Anything that leaked from the Rangers today comes from other organisations and/or agents. "Journalists" and beat writers are just speculating wildly. James Bond has got nothing on this!

 

[Black Tank]

Gotta say that Chris Drury really has shut down all viable internal leaks within the organisation. GMJG ran a tighter ship than DARTH SATHER did (where info leaked all the time - some of it obviously and intentionally incorrect), but this is really ridiculous. Anything that leaked from the Rangers today comes from other organisations and/or agents. "Journalists" and beat writers are just speculating wildly. James Bond has got nothing on this!

I like it. The less leaks the better our bargaining position. Drury has done a hell of a job and it looks like ownership has forgotten about the Rangers again. The franchise is in a great spot right now.

 

[savebyrichter94]

It’s a delicate balance, hopefully we find a way to walk the line between helping the team this year and building towards future seasons

I don’t think it’s time to go all in but they’ve earned the right to have some reinforcements added

 

[bhamill]

Interesting, that's not what I would have expected. Do you have stats on PP opportunities in RS vs. Playoffs? I'm curious if the playoffs see more offsetting penalties but not as many PPs.

That’s a good question/point. Honestly I dont know.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Staple’s latest has a few anonymous NHL execs grading fan trades (spoiler: they shit on pretty much all of them)

This is what one exec said about Kravstov, secret is out on this kid, expect he’ll get moved for a rental in the next week

Exec’s take: “Kravtsov does not have the perceived value around the league now as a top prospect because of everything that’s gone on with him. Not sure why the Rangers didn’t give him a shot to start the season — you’d have to know nothing about the kid to think sending him down after camp was going to go well. He’s now a try for someone who likes to rehab former top 10 picks.

 

[savebyrichter94]

Staple’s latest has a few anonymous NHL execs grading fan trades (spoiler: they shit on pretty much all of them)

This is what one exec said about Kravstov, secret is out on this kid, expect he’ll get moved for a rental in the next week

Feels like most of us knew this was the case but it’s a gut punch regardless, the situation should’ve been handled much better if for no other reason than to protect the value of an asset

 

[Ruggs225]

I feel like the Rangers have no choice but to keep Kravtsov if his value is so low. If u trade him and he does well it looks bad, but if u keep him and he plays well then either a) u get a good player or b) can get good value for him in trade.

If u keep him and he plays bad than so be it. Its not like u are getting much for him anyway.

I feel like it makes no sense to trade him now.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

I feel like the Rangers have no choice but to keep Kravtsov if his value is so low. If u trade him and he does well it looks bad, but if u keep him and he plays well then either a) u get a good player or b) can get good value for him in trade.

If u keep him and he plays bad than so be it. Its not like u are getting much for him anyway.

I feel like it makes no sense to trade him now.

Yeah, Drury screwed that situation up pretty badly, regardless of Kravstov being a baby. This TDL is big for Drury, his moves so far haven't exactly filled the fanbase with confidence.

 

[Kovalev27]

This is really not that difficult

The rangers top 6 is very good. We have a top 6 player coming back from injury soon enough in Kakko. We just need to upgrade the third line really. Heck even the 4th line has guys our coach wants out there even if we don’t agree all the time with him. (Rooney will be back too)

We probably could use ideally 2 middle 6 wingers to really solidify the lineup and push some guys down. Hardly a tall ask at a deadline.

We’ve got 2 second rounders. We’ve got prospects. We’ve got cap space.

The defense actually you could probably not do anything at all at this point. Nemeth and Schneider look very good together. So you don’t really need a guy. Jones Hajek Tinordi, even Lundkvist if he’s not dealt are more than capable 7/8/9/10 guys.

You make those moves and with Igor in net we’re going to be a tough out. Should be a fun playoff run

And you know what you might even get to see Kravtsov because his value is zip right now and the only way he’s going to get to leave this summer is to get his value up playing nhl games.

 

[Savant]

Drury’s best (external) move was what, the Reaves trade? The Hunt signing? Needs to do better but also needs to be smart here. He’s not in the easiest slot because of how unbalanced the team is but he needs to figure it out. He doesn’t even have to shoot the moon

 

[Kocur Dill]

Drury’s best (external) move was what, the Reaves trade? The Hunt signing? Needs to do better but also needs to be smart here. He’s not in the easiest slot because of how unbalanced the team is but he needs to figure it out. He doesn’t even have to shoot the moon

"Coden name: Hardhat."

"Base, do you read me?"

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Interesting, that's not what I would have expected. Do you have stats on PP opportunities in RS vs. Playoffs? I'm curious if the playoffs see more offsetting penalties but not as many PPs.

Over the last 5 years, cumulative:

Reg Season PP Opps / game = 2.95
Playoff PP Opps / game = 3.21

Pretty surprised by that. I ran the numbers 6-7 years ago and got the opposite result.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Emojis work now!