Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXXI

[Lion Hound]

Isn't Kravtsov's father a big time former KGB?

I'd just keep Kravtsov until the war hopefully blows over. You're getting nothing for him right now. He's staying in Russia.

Teddy Kravtsov...

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

It was always obvious that Kravstov has little value around the league. More troubling how fans are over-valuing him.

He's a shot in the dark, throw-in within a trade package.

He has more value to Rangers than any team in the league because of all the uncertainties surrounding him.

Doubtful he'll be back with the Rangers at any point, so he's basically useless. Expect no more than a 4th-7th rounder as his perceived value around the league and rightfully so considering the debacle he and the Rangers have put themselves in.

To me, its pretty much a waste of time discussing him at this point.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It was always obvious that Kravstov has little value around the league. More troubling how fans are over-valuing him.

He's a shot in the dark, throw-in within a trade package.

He has more value to Rangers than any team in the league because of all the uncertainties surrounding him.

Doubtful he'll be back with the Rangers at any point, so he's basically useless. Expect no more than a 4th-7th rounder as his perceived value around the league

Well his value isn't THAT low.

But yeah, he isn't playing here again.

 

[bhamill]

What difference would that make? Is Kravtsov going to become a spy or something?

Why? He can't be great at espionage too?
Hahaha.
I think it's more that people of importance in the Russian Government/Oligarchy/Intelligence along with their families, are being sanctioned and restricted. Depending on who his dad is, and I have ZERO idea on that, Krav could be impacted.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Well his value isn't THAT low.

But yeah, he isn't playing here again.

How much higher? 3rd rounder?

Who wants to give up anything for the "potential" of Kravstov?

 

[bhamill]

There is no reason at all for Dallas to trade Johnson. They “reached” for him, hit the jackpot on the pick, and now they are going to move him out? Things don’t work like that. Clearly a player they highly rated all along. Zero reason for then to move him now when they are vindicated for their investment in him.

I mean, as always, it depends on the offer. I'd imagine he would be EXPENSIVE, but if Dallas needs D prospects, or loves one of our prospects like Othmann, and I don't know that that is the case, then you never know what deal might get done. But they certainly aren't looking to deal him.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How much higher? 3rd rounder?

Who wants to give up anything for the "potential" of Kravstov?

Lias returned a 2nd.

 

[effen]

Yeah, that section was ridiculous. He says you're probably looking at a deal similar to what it took to get Yandle here and then shits on the proposal which actually gave more for Miller than we did for Yandle.

VK, Nils, 1st and 2nd is a haul and this exec acts like it's spare parts. That's on par with what Eichel returned.

And the Scheiefele proposal: "Chytil, Will Cuylle, Robertson and a 2022 first to the Jets for Scheifele and a 2022 fourth — Michael E."

And the exec says it's not even close to enough, which to me it seems like an overpayment.

It's not close. It's four nickels for a quarter.

 

[Avery16]

Larry has clickteased Kirby Dach a couple times now, but is Dach even available? And what would go the other way?

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

It's not close. It's four nickels for a quarter.

Give me a break, that offer for Schiefele is 100% in the ballpark of what it would take to get him.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Man that Staple article was both a good reality check and a pretty frustrating read.

Highlights some of the logic gaps with the way NHL execs think. Basically makes Lundkvist sound like a project throw-in like Kravtsov because he is a "bit down in the organization"...basically because Schneider is really good and the NYR have Fox/Trouba, that means Lundkvist is no longer a desirable "top prospect". Makes no sense. Same line of reasoning as "we need your top prospect" when the NYR top prospect is Lafreniere instead of Peyton Krebs.

Also if Kakko's value is as low as this exec implies (not even close w/Lundkvist for Kane, would need to be Kakko + 1st + top prospect for Scheifele/Larkin), they better not trade him. In that case the best ROI to NYR is holding him.

I can almost guarantee that the NHL exec quoted for this article is Dinosaur Lou. Of course hes going to sandbag the Rangers assets.

Though on Nils - While not a throw in, his value isn't what most here think it is. His NHL stint hurt his stock.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Larry has clickteased Kirby Dach a couple times now, but is Dach even available? And what would go the other way?

I think at the least he's not unattainable. Probably would cost something you wouldn't want to move.

 

[McRanger92]

Man that Staple article was both a good reality check and a pretty frustrating read.

Highlights some of the logic gaps with the way NHL execs think. Basically makes Lundkvist sound like a project throw-in like Kravtsov because he is a "bit down in the organization"...basically because Schneider is really good and the NYR have Fox/Trouba, that means Lundkvist is no longer a desirable "top prospect". Makes no sense. Same line of reasoning as "we need your top prospect" when the NYR top prospect is Lafreniere instead of Peyton Krebs.

Also if Kakko's value is as low as this exec implies (not even close w/Lundkvist for Kane, would need to be Kakko + 1st + top prospect for Scheifele/Larkin), they better not trade him. In that case the best ROI to NYR is holding him.

Staple probably interviewed an Islanders executive. Did we really think that article was going to be sunshine and roses from Artie?

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Brooks wrote about the Rangers plans. He doesn’t see Drury trading their top prospects or young roster players for rentals. As far as the Rangers first round pick is concerned Drury’s interpretation of a late-first-rounder’s value would determine whether that pick could be in play for a rental. Brooks mentioned how the Rangers haven’t given up much for rentals in the past. No first round picks. Sather. Gorton.

The Rangers have more interest in McBain as a free agent instead of trading for him and burning the first year of the ELC.

I'm not sure I see a rental out there who would be worth a late 1st, but if you're going to trade a 1st rounder - doing it after making 9 first round selections in your last 4 drafts would be a perfectly fine time to do so without it really impacting the team or the system at all, especially if it's in the mid/high 20s potentially.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Give me a break, that offer for Schiefele is 100% in the ballpark of what it would take to get him.

No it's not. Chytil, 2 B prospects, and a late first isn't going to be enough for a guy who has produced like Scheifele has, even with his defensive deficiencies. You are overrating Robertson and Cuylle. Plus I don't know how much value Chytil has but I doubt he's seen as a high-value piece at this point.

 

[effen]

Give me a break, that offer for Schiefele is 100% in the ballpark of what it would take to get him.

For starters, Winnipeg will want an NHL forward better than Chytil is currently, or with a better track that Chytil has currently. They have an arena to fill.

Robertson and Cuylle are dime a dozen prospects. I know they are *our* prospects but most teams in the league have at least one version of them.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[TheBloodyNine]

For starters, Winnipeg will want an NHL forward better than Chytil is currently, or with a better track that Chytil has currently. They have an arena to fill.

Robertson and Cuylle are dime a dozen prospects. I know they are *our* prospects but most teams in the league have at least one version of them.

Scheifele has two years left on his deal, and a M-NTC - who are his suitors? It's probably not more than 5 teams that could actually complete that trade.

 

[rangersfansince08]

I think at the least he's not unattainable. Probably would cost something you wouldn't want to move.

Kakko one for one?

 

[Raspewtin]

Yeah, that section was ridiculous. He says you're probably looking at a deal similar to what it took to get Yandle here and then shits on the proposal which actually gave more for Miller than we did for Yandle.

VK, Nils, 1st and 2nd is a haul and this exec acts like it's spare parts. That's on par with what Eichel returned.

And the Scheiefele proposal: "Chytil, Will Cuylle, Robertson and a 2022 first to the Jets for Scheifele and a 2022 fourth — Michael E."

And the exec says it's not even close to enough, which to me it seems like an overpayment.

Well, the exec is right, it isn't close.

Chytil has more value to us than anyone else right now because he's Jagr 15% of the time and a big center with god awful fundamentals the other 85% of the time, a middle pairing D prospect, a mid to low first, and a potential bottom 6er for a top 15 scorer in hockey at C. We know Scheifele is absolute dog shit defensively, and to us that lowers his value (considering our team makeup, especially), but execs choose when that matters and when it doesn't. And why shouldn't they? There's no "market", the market is what they think with no influence from anything else.

 

[JimmyG89]

If the end result is trading a 2nd for a 3rd liner and trading a 4th for an NHLer, it's not terrible. Using extra picks to fill out the depth. I liked the Jarnkrok deal mentioned. Versatile. Can play multiple positions. Kills penalties.

Jarnkrok and someone like Sanford would add a lot of depth to the team. Add Kakko and Rooney back in about 2 weeks:

Kreider-Zib-Lafreniere
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Jarnkrok-Goodrow-Chytil
Sanford-Rooney-Reaves/Hunt

 

[effen]

Scheifele has two years left on his deal, and a M-NTC - who are his suitors? It's probably not more than 5 teams that could actually complete that trade.

Two+ years @ 6M/yr is an enormous selling point, not a detraction. Wat.

20+ teams would like a veteran PPG center. Actual current physical real life functioning existing productive NHL players have more value than futures the majority of the time. That's why it takes 2, 3, 4 futures pieces to *get* that one current NHL player.

 

[Raspewtin]

Scheifele has two years left on his deal, and a M-NTC - who are his suitors? It's probably not more than 5 teams that could actually complete that trade.

This is completely irrelevant. Who even said Winnipeg wants to trade him? Elite players at the most coveted position in hockey always have suitors. Just because we looked at capfriendly and can't mentally work doesn't mean it won't. Execs help each other all the time.

And don't bring up Eichel either. There were, without a doubt, much better offers than Vegas' that were turned down because the Pegulas are vindictive children.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I also don't think VK, Nils, 1st and 2nd is on par with what Buffalo got for Eichel. Tuch and Krebs are definitely more valuable than those two, even before VK's value was nuked and Lundkvist didn't live up to the hype he had this offseason.

 

[TominNC]

and also we've explained over and over again that Drury knew (or, should've) exactly what would come from the re-assignment and was an absolute fool to think it would work this time. instead he worked together with VK to tank one of our best assets to near uselessness.

Management needs to do what's right for the team. Getting the child in shape for the season is what was required. Catering to individual player's demands is not good for the team. I can't wait until he's gone for good.