Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXXI

[Kocur26]

Not for a 1st NY Rangers projected lineup: Anaheim's Rickard Rakell could help remake the third line

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I'd rather see them persist with Kravtsov for next season. I know they got rid of Lias after a messy drama situation but Lias kinda sucked, this guy should at least be able to contribute at the level we're talking about with these rentals (generic NHL player for the third line)

 

[Raspewtin]

Management needs to do what's right for the team. Getting the child in shape for the season is what was required. Catering to individual player's demands is not good for the team. I can't wait until he's gone for good.

And what was right for the team? Playing a useless knob like Gauthier who has no future here? Keeping that extra space for McKegg? Foolishly hope Kakko and Laf would suddenly emerge as top 6 players with no backup plan?

You can wax on that Drury should stand his ground and take no shit all day, you're mostly right, but what did he win by doing that? Lost a valuable asset and our RW depth is the worst in the league. He can add that trophy to his case.

At no point in this pathetic saga did Drury do the right thing. Not once. He f***ed it up from day 1. It was obviously not his sole doing, but I find it hard to not be frustrated that he knew the outcome of everything he did and still chose wrong.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Two+ years @ 6M/yr is an enormous selling point, not a detraction. Wat.

20+ teams would like a veteran PPG center. Actual current physical real life functioning existing productive NHL players have more value than futures the majority of the time. That's why it takes 2, 3, 4 futures pieces to *get* that one current NHL player.

When a team will have to pay him much more than that after it's up. 20+ might like one, but there won't be more than 10 able to make that trade and much likely it will be closer to 5 or 6.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

This is completely irrelevant. Who even said Winnipeg wants to trade him? Elite players at the most coveted position in hockey always have suitors. Just because we looked at capfriendly and can't mentally work doesn't mean it won't. Execs help each other all the time.

And don't bring up Eichel either. There were, without a doubt, much better offers than Vegas' that were turned down because the Pegulas are vindictive children.

Has nothing to do with cap, because we know other teams can hold. Has to do with need, fit and available assets needed to make the trade. Who are those teams?

Just because there are 31 other teams in the NHL doesn't mean there are 31 teams trying to trade for a guy.

 

[nyaz11]

No it's not. Chytil, 2 B prospects, and a late first isn't going to be enough for a guy who has produced like Scheifele has, even with his defensive deficiencies. You are overrating Robertson and Cuylle. Plus I don't know how much value Chytil has but I doubt he's seen as a high-value piece at this point.

This - at a minimum Nils is in the package and unfortunately it appears like his time as a "headliner" has gone by the wayside, which is unfortunate. All teams are going to be asking for Schenider - and rightfully get rejected - but that's going to be the ask.

Also - at 6.1 million Scheifele would easily be the top player on the market. I think his defensive issues are much more overblown on message boards than they'd be around the league. Frankly, a team like the Rangers should be willing to pay more for Scheif than they were for Eichel - specifically because he doesn't blow up the cap. He has one of the better contracts in the league - especially for a team with cap issues. The Rangers would never have been able to pair Eichel with Mika - they can easily pair Mika and Scheifele contract wise.

At a minimum the package is Lundkvist, Chytil a 1st and a ++ --- which I think it would be safe to assume the Rangers would jump through hoops - and rightfully so - to make happen.

 

[bleedblue94]

the funny thing with this roster is we dont even need to reach for top talent, we just need to add actual nhl caliber players to the bottom 6 (especially the 3rd line). it can be argued right now that the team only dresses 8-9 nhl caliber forwards for each game at this time.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

No it's not. Chytil, 2 B prospects, and a late first isn't going to be enough for a guy who has produced like Scheifele has, even with his defensive deficiencies. You are overrating Robertson and Cuylle. Plus I don't know how much value Chytil has but I doubt he's seen as a high-value piece at this point.

For starters, Winnipeg will want an NHL forward better than Chytil is currently, or with a better track that Chytil has currently. They have an arena to fill.

Robertson and Cuylle are dime a dozen prospects. I know they are *our* prospects but most teams in the league have at least one version of them.

I said it was in the ballpark because to me this deal has the framework to get it done. You swap Robertson out for Lundkvist alone and that probably gets it done. And if you wanna upgrade Cuylle, you can tell Winnipeg they can have their pick of forward prospect aside from Laf/Kakko/Othmann.

Chytil, Lundkvist, one of Kravtsov/Cuylle/Berard, and a 1st absolutely is a fair deal.

Also a big point to think of is that these quantity deals for star players almost NEVER return the type of value everyone expects them to.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I would be shocked if Rakell actually brought back a first. 2nd an a B prospect will be the cost. Maybe less. His headline production the last few years has not been good.

I would absolutely not characterize him as good defensively, however. Which is why any thought of him "remaking the 3rd line" is confusing when that line would still presumably be centered by Chytil who the coach doesn't seem to trust with significant minutes.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

 

[RangerBoy]

TB traded Tony Deangelo to Phoenix for a 2nd(#37-Hajek). Carolina traded Jake Bean to Columbus for a 2nd(#44). The Rangers traded Lias Andersson for a late 2nd(#60). Kravstov for a 2nd round pick. Arizona has a million 2nd round picks.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Georgiev, 1st 2022, and Chytil for Nylander at 50%.

Kthnkx.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Georgiev and a 1st for Nylander is an absolute no brainer. Throw Arizona a pick to eat some cap and you’re golden.

 

[nyaz11]

I said it was in the ballpark because to me this deal has the framework to get it done. You swap Robertson out for Lundkvist alone and that probably gets it done. And if you wanna upgrade Cuylle, you can tell Winnipeg they can have their pick of forward prospect aside from Laf/Kakko/Othmann.

Chytil, Lundkvist, one of Kravtsov/Cuylle/Berard, and a 1st absolutely is a fair deal.

Also a big point to think of is that these quantity deals for star players almost NEVER return the type of value everyone expects them to.

I agree it's fair - I can see WPG holding out because there is no "headliner" -- but I absolutely think this is the route Drury should go - and if necessary add a 5th asset - at a mid level to push it over the top -- whether that be a 2nd or 3rd or a C+ prospect like paju etc.

And if Drury is swinging big for 2C - this is absolutely the top option to catapult the team into the next tier.

It will hurt the organizational depth - but there will be few holes - save for the bottom 6. You'd still have a Jones/Robertson on defense - and you'd still have the Othmann/Cuylle/Berard etc to help fill out the bottom 6 and eventually top 6 for Othmann.

Would put the Rangers in perfect shape to start targeting players to put with Goodrow/Blais in an energy/checking/defense bottom-6.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Nylander for Georgiev and a mid-round pick? Holy shit where do I sign up.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

If Drury is all over Rakell it would be cool if they got a deal done before the game tonight, and he just switched lockerrooms.

If I recall correctly, this happened one year. I think it was in the 90's on a St. Patty's day when Tikkanen was traded straight up for Weight.

They just switched teams before warmups. Crazy

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Nylander for Georgiev and a mid-round pick? Holy shit where do I sign up.

Wait what?

Where is this Nylander stuff coming from?

 

[Raspewtin]

Wait what?

Where is this Nylander stuff coming from?

According to Freidman Toronto would trade Nylander for a goalie + pick and mentions Georgiev, Lankinen, and Blackwood.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Nylander for Georgiev and a mid-round pick? Holy shit where do I sign up.

That would literally never happen in a million years, even if that mid pick turns into a 1st.

Every year the Nylander rumors start up and every year he stays put.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I would be shocked if Rakell actually brought back a first. 2nd an a B prospect will be the cost. Maybe less. His headline production the last few years has not been good.

I would absolutely not characterize him as good defensively, however. Which is why any thought of him "remaking the 3rd line" is confusing when that line would still presumably be centered by Chytil who the coach doesn't seem to trust with significant minutes.

Thought the exact same thing. Not sure where he's getting his scouting report from.

If Rakell is brought in he is playing on the 1st or 2nd line.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

According to Freidman Toronto would trade Nylander for a goalie + pick and mentions Georgiev, Lankinen, and Blackwood.

Thats insane.

All 3 of them suck lol.

 

[bl02]

For starters, Winnipeg will want an NHL forward better than Chytil is currently, or with a better track that Chytil has currently. They have an arena to fill.

Robertson and Cuylle are dime a dozen prospects. I know they are *our* prospects but most teams in the league have at least one version of them.

Bingo! and I don't even want Scheifele because of what it would take to get him.
Hopefully someone like Rakell can be a reality for a reasonable trade. He has to be able to help us out in our bottom 6 while possibly being able to play in the top 6 if necessary.

 

[McRanger92]

Lundkvist a pick & Georgiev for Nylander? Sign me up

 

[Raspewtin]

Thats insane.

All 3 of them suck lol.

they want a "long term solution" is part of it, I guess

they're all youngish.

 

[JimmyG89]

Nylander is basically a point per game player. Would need to make the money work.

Georgiev and Lindgren. Leafs have been asking for a tough, shutdown defender. It could get complicated, but this seems like an offseason move for the Leafs.