Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXXI

[TheBloodyNine]

You know for a fact that was the offer for Eichel? Cause It was bandied about it was more like Laf plus. At the time Schneider didn't have the value he has now.

The Rangers were never trading Laf in an Eichel trade. No team was trading that level of young player. And surprise surprise they didn't get it.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

In Rangers fantasy land we are getting over a ppg 28 year old center making 6 million dollars with 2-3 years left on his deal for Chytil and Kravtsov.
It's too bad gm's around the league don't think this way

I never said that's what it would be but what I would offer (half jokingly), but the stuff you suggested is just as ludicrous. A players value in a trade is determined by much more than just his skill.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Kessel and a 3rd for a 5th. Do it Drury!

He could be had for a 4th, no reason for both of these picks.

Also, I would take him for a 4th, if only for the lols. This is the kind of deadline rental I can get behind. Rangers will sell a ton of jerseys.

 

[Raspewtin]

Lehkonen would waltz onto this roster as the best defensive forward on the team. Only one even close to him would be Kakko. He is absolutely a player that would help.

 

[NYR Viper]

Lehkonen would waltz onto this roster as the best defensive forward on the team. Only one even close to him would be Kakko. He is absolutely a player that would help.

On top of that, he’s unique in the entire system. He’s not someone that the team has a prospect coming shortly to replace

 

[bleedblue94]

His versatility and playing style are exactly what this team needs more of. He’s physical, but not overtly so, he’s a very good defensive winger, he plays in the hard areas very well and he has already proven to be able to take the tough matchups and help drive play for his team. All while putting up a respectable 30-35 points.

He’s the ideal candidate as a Swiss-army knife on a team full of skilled players. I’ve compared him to Ruslan Fedotenko with the way he plays. Fedotenko was a very effective NHLer

he is also an incredibly hard worker. dogged on forecheck and backcheck. for a team that can be soft with its effort adding a player like that sometimes makes other players follow in his effort. i know that sounds pathetic but sometimes its necessary and it makes these high effort guys even more valuable.

 

[duhmetreE]

+Lehkonen
+Domi

Kreider Zibs Laffy
Panarin Strome Domi
Lehkonen Chytil Kakko
Goodrow Rooney Hunt/Gauthier/Reaves/Brodz

#depth

Can make due without Lehkonen and have Goodrow as 3LW... but I actually love the way that 3rd would look with Chytil and the Fins

 

[bleedblue94]

get lehkonen and domi

kreider zib laf
panarin strome kakko
lehkonen domi chytil
hunt rooney goodrow

jones in for nemeth, and add another d man for insurance.

can nyr get lehkonen for gauthier, georgiev and a 2nd?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Lebrun Athletic article today (Take for whatever its worth, he likes to carry water):
-On Lehkonen: Habs not aren't 100% dealing him. Price is AT LEAST a 1st.
-Sharks all-in on signing Hertl
-Calgary interested in Chariot and tried to get him in Toffoli trade but price too high right now

There's other stuff in there but those are the names most linked to us that he spoke about

 

[bl02]

I never said that's what it would be but what I would offer (half jokingly), but the stuff you suggested is just as ludicrous. A players value in a trade is determined by much more than just his skill.

Right half jokingly lol
Again lets try to be objective here and not just trade Kravtsov and Chytil for every center out there we desire. You need to give to get.

 

[bl02]

The Rangers were never trading Laf in an Eichel trade. No team was trading that level of young player. And surprise surprise they didn't get it.

That was what was being talked about on this site not what was offered. You have no idea what was offered. They got Tuch/Krebs and a first and a second which is a pretty good package. And one thing is a fact any eastern conf team would have had to beat that.

 

[duhmetreE]

Lebrun Athletic article today (Take for whatever its worth, he likes to carry water):
-On Lehkonen: Habs not aren't 100% dealing him. Price is AT LEAST a 1st.
-Sharks all-in on signing Hertl
-Calgary interested in Chariot and tried to get him in Toffoli trade but price too high right now

There's other stuff in there but those are the names most linked to us that he spoke about

Give Gorton all of his rejects.

Kravtsov, Hajek and conditional 2nd.

With how he valued Fast, maybe he values Lehkonen the same

 

[TheBloodyNine]

That was what was being talked about on this site not what was offered. You have no idea what was offered. They got Tuch/Krebs and a first and a second which is a pretty good package. And one thing is a fact any eastern conf team would have had to beat that.

It's a good package, it's a package the Rangers could have matched easily and not broken a sweat, but it's also not what they wanted and puffed their chests out about (Buffalo the organization and their fans).

And again, Eichel is 1)A better player, 2)Signed for Longer and 3)Younger. Scheifele, who also has a 10 team NMC, isn't going to cost more than what Eichel got.

 

[bbny]

Lehkonen for a 1st+? Does Montreal think US dollar inflation applies to NHL trade values too?

 

[bl02]

It's a good package, it's a package the Rangers could have matched easily and not broken a sweat, but it's also not what they wanted and puffed their chests out about (Buffalo the organization and their fans).

And again, Eichel is 1)A better player, 2)Signed for Longer and 3)Younger. Scheifele, who also has a 10 team NMC, isn't going to cost more than what Eichel got.

of course we could have beat that package but not with the guys everyone wants to trade like Chytil and Kravtsov and Nils to some extent. No one wants to hear it but it would have taken a Kakko or even a big package with Schneider in it.
Regarding the guys being offered for Scheifele The Jets will turn down those guys 10 times out of 10! That is a fact. Kravy, Nils a late first does nothing for them.

 

[JimmyG89]

So, no Kakko or Rooney skating until at least the deadline

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Right half jokingly lol
Again lets try to be objective here and not just trade Kravtsov and Chytil for every center out there we desire. You need to give to get.

Okay, lets be objective. Mcd was basically a 1st, Hajek, and Howden. Tampa was already a late first. Hajek and Howden were like 4-7 on their prospect list. Schnieder and Othmann have jumped up to our top 4. When you compare those prospects and where they were on their list at the time with ours that comes to basically a 1st, Robertson/Nils/Jones, and a guy like Cuylle and a 2nd matches up with a top defenseman. So around the same for a center.

Its not like a deal for a #2 center wont hurt but to say its going to cost a 1st, Schnieder, Othmann, and a guy like nils for someone like Schieffelle and i think you are just throwing our top guys out there without looking at what deals have taken place. Shit Eichel was a 1st, Tuch who is a solid 2nd line wing, and a ehh center prospect.

People so quick to throw out our best prospects when deals likely never include a teams best prospect. Take a breath. Nobody is saying it will simply be chytl and kravy for any center.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Get me Domi. He is fun to watch

 

[bl02]

Okay, lets be objective. Mcd was basically a 1st, Hajek, and Howden. Tampa was already a late first. Hajek and Howden were like 4-7 on their prospect list. Schnieder and Othmann have jumped up to our top 4. When you compare those prospects and where they were on their list at the time with ours that comes to basically a 1st, Robertson/Nils/Jones, and a guy like Cuylle and a 2nd matches up with a top defenseman. So around the same for a center.

Its not like a deal for a #2 center wont hurt but to say its going to cost a 1st, Schnieder, Othmann, and a guy like nils for someone like Schieffelle and i think you are just throwing our top guys out there without looking at what deals have taken place. Shit Eichel was a 1st, Tuch who is a solid 2nd line wing, and a ehh center prospect.

People so quick to throw out our best prospects when deals likely never include a teams best prospect. Take a breath. Nobody is saying it will simply be chytl and kravy for any center.

Just trying to play a little bit of the other side here. every deal we suggest for a top center is Chytil and Kravtsov. Yes Othmann and schneider and first is an overpayment but that is probably what the jets would ask for. (and let's be clear I don't want Scheifele for that!).
There tends to be very little objectivity on teams trade boards.
I also wouldn't call Krebs an ehh center prospect. Again just trying to be objective. If that is the case I don't know what to call our young forward prospects.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

of course we could have beat that package but not with the guys everyone wants to trade like Chytil and Kravtsov and Nils to some extent. No one wants to hear it but it would have taken a Kakko or even a big package with Schneider in it.
Regarding the guys being offered for Scheifele The Jets will turn down those guys 10 times out of 10! That is a fact. Kravy, Nils a late first does nothing for them.

The Rangers having to pay more would have been a conference and in-state tax, but they were never sending him here anyway - it costs those players because it was never realistic that he would have been sent here, which goes back to the point I'm making. A player's cost or value is a lot more than just their skill. NMC+Age+Available Suitors+Length of Contract will all go a long way to determining any player's worth.

Again, what did we get for McD? Very similar situation.

 

[duhmetreE]

It always feels like Domi played well against the Rangers... maybe that translates. Big City player. I'll take his skill and edge.

Who knows, he might work out here and if we can get him on a discounted contract.

 

[bl02]

Okay, lets be objective. Mcd was basically a 1st, Hajek, and Howden. Tampa was already a late first. Hajek and Howden were like 4-7 on their prospect list. Schnieder and Othmann have jumped up to our top 4. When you compare those prospects and where they were on their list at the time with ours that comes to basically a 1st, Robertson/Nils/Jones, and a guy like Cuylle and a 2nd matches up with a top defenseman. So around the same for a center.

Its not like a deal for a #2 center wont hurt but to say its going to cost a 1st, Schnieder, Othmann, and a guy like nils for someone like Schieffelle and i think you are just throwing our top guys out there without looking at what deals have taken place. Shit Eichel was a 1st, Tuch who is a solid 2nd line wing, and a ehh center prospect.

People so quick to throw out our best prospects when deals likely never include a teams best prospect. Take a breath. Nobody is saying it will simply be chytl and kravy for any center.

If that gets us a ppg talented center then lets do it. I will hope that will comes to fruition. excuse me if I'm skeptical.

 

[17futurecap]

So, no Kakko or Rooney skating until at least the deadline

Makes sense not to add them back to the active roster until after the deadline. Since you have to be at 23 active skaters max at 3 PM deadline day, the Rangers can trade for two forwards and just send Barron and Brodzinski down, and then add Kakko and Rooney back after when you don’t need to be at 23 players anymore.

 

[BBKers]

If Calgary gets Chiarot in a deal they likely will have to deal Zadorov for cap purposes.We can takę him along with an asset attached (used as a piece to acquire another Rental option) as a nice depth option without blowing current assets. Maybe Hajek for Zadorov and a 4th which becomes Kessel plus a 3rd for eating half of Chiarot salary. Send Gauthier, Hunter Skinner, a 2nd and a 4th to Montreal for Lehkonen, Poehling and a 7th. Then offer breadcrumbs for whatever remains 15 minutes before the TDL elapses. AG is a big? IMO. Regardless - Thereby keeping most assets for another day. Only Boston and us have any space left in the East amongst PO bound teams to facilitate Such a deal. Calgary would probably prefer Not dealing him in the East considering they probably feel they can advance a bit...

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

It always feels like Domi played well against the Rangers... maybe that translates. Big City player. I'll take his skill and edge.

Who knows, he might work out here and if we can get him on a discounted contract.

Domi is an interesting player. I feel like he is the type who would thrive here both in his playing style and his personality/temperament. I think he would be a fit a a center with our group of wingers.

However, what would he cost and what would he be looking for on his next deal? He's at 5.3m right now, but would he be looking for an AAV raise or would he more look for term?

As a rental first, I wonder what he would cost.