Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXXI

[TheBloodyNine]

prepared to give up a ton then for a center like him on a "decent" contract. Schneider a first plus plus would be the cost easily. Or get someone like Hertl with bad knees and who will want 8 million per on a long term deal.

I said trade not UFA so forget Hertl. Rangers can get a good center without giving up Schneider. Hate to break it to you but all of these picks and prospects are not going to be playing for the Rangers. We have plenty to trade for a center. Stop being melodramatic.

 

[bl02]

I said trade not UFA so forget Hertl. Rangers can get a good center without giving up Schneider. Hate to break it to you but all of these picks and prospects are not going to be playing for the Rangers. We have plenty to trade for a center. Stop being melodramatic.

Give me an example and what it will take. Tell me who we are getting that is of a decent age and decent contract? We are not the only team in the league that is looking for that type of center. And Hertl was talked about being a trade target on here (bad idea) this year.
Why would a team trade us a PLD or Scheifele type without getting a lot in return?
I realize all these prospects are not making the NHL hence why the Jets would want a Schneider or Laf type back not a Kravtsov plus a first. Not sure how that's being melodramatic but rather realistic.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Give me an example and what it will take. Tell me who we are getting that is of a decent age and decent contract? We are not the only team in the league that is looking for that type of center. And Hertl was talked about being a trade target on here (bad idea) this year.
Why would a team trade us a PLD or Scheifele type without getting a lot in return?
I realize all these prospects are not making the NHL hence why the Jets would want a Schneider or Laf type back not a Kravtsov plus a first. Not sure how that's being melodramatic but rather realistic.

How many times does a team get exactly what they want? How about that McD trade? We have a lot of valuable pieces other than Schneider. Stop listening to the humps on the trade board who disparage our prospects, they don't run NHL teams. The Rangers have a lot to trade. They will have to make trades in order to make their team better. That will be pretty much the only way they are going to make themselves better in the low cap era that bangs endlessly on moronically.

 

[bl02]

How many times does a team get exactly what they want? How about that McD trade? We have a lot of valuable pieces other than Schneider. Stop listening to the humps on the trade board who disparage our prospects, they don't run NHL teams. The Rangers have a lot to trade. They will have to make trades in order to make their team better. That will be pretty much the only way they are going to make themselves better in the low cap era that bangs endlessly on moronically.

Hopefully we find another Zibby type deal but it's just so hard. Somehow we will have to find a diamond in the rough to play a strong two way 2C for us. Would also be nice if we continued to draft centers.
I honestly don't know what to think of many of our young prospects anymore and what they are truly worth. I just know no way on this earth are we getting a Scheifele or PLD for Chytil, a first and Kravtsov. Not even close.
Would be more like Schneider/Miller, a first and a Othmann... (probably a bit more).

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Hopefully we find another Zibby type deal but it's just so hard. Somehow we will have to find a diamond in the rough to play a strong two way 2C for us. Would also be nice if we continued to draft centers.
I honestly don't know what to think of many of our young prospects anymore and what they are truly worth. I just know no way on this earth are we getting a Scheifele or PLD for Chytil, a first and Kravtsov. Not even close.
Would be more like Schneider/Miller, a first and a Othmann... (probably a bit more).

Scheifele ain't costing that. That wasn't an offer for Eichel, who didn't bring back that level of package.

 

[bl02]

Scheifele ain't costing that

He's definitely costing way way more than Chytil, a first and Kravtsov. Much closer to Schneider a first and another top prospect whether fellow Ranger fans wanna believe it or not.

 

[bobbop]

Rangers are trying to ACQUIRE Phil Kessel per Twitter speak .

It’s not like they arguing over a deal. The Coyotes would gladly ship Kessel out for a 4th or 5th. If the Rangers take his whole cap hit (easy to do) It then frees the Coyotes to be the third team in another salary retention deal.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Scheifele ain't costing that. That wasn't an offer for Eichel, who didn't bring back that level of package.

You’re massively underrated Tuch and Krebs if you think they aren’t on the level of those pieces.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Rangers are trying to ACQUIRE Phil Kessel per Twitter speak .

Where did you see that? I just looked and saw nothing.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

He's definitely costing way way more than Chytil, a first and Kravtsov. Much closer to Schneider a first and another top prospect whether fellow Ranger fans wanna believe it or not.

If it was Schneider he wouldn't be getting another prospect with that. He has two years left until UFA. But it wont be and wont need to be.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

You’re massively underrated Tuch and Krebs if you think they aren’t on the level of those pieces.

The point is Eichel is a better player, younger and singed for longer than Schiefele and didn't return the franchise ending hall predicted by people on this board as a whole.

 

[NYR Viper]

Kessel, for all the crap he gets, has a very respectable 35 points in 58 games playing only just under 17 minutes a night. 9 of those points on the PP.

Claude Gironde has 41 points in 55 games in just over 19 minutes a night with 12 of those points coming on the PP.

In terms of acquisition cost it’s no brainer. If Kessel costs a mid-round pick then he could come in and fill a hole on RW in the top-9 and on PP2.

This type of acquisition is reminiscent of when the team acquired Petr Sykora towards the end of his career. Secondary scorer. PP2. Inexpensive cost. Brought experience as well.

I’d be okay with this as it keeps the cost down and adds some secondary scoring. Kessel has always gotten weird coverage for the production he put up. He’s quirky for sure, but the guy produces.

 

[bl02]

In Rangers fantasy land we are getting over a ppg 28 year old center making 6 million dollars with 2-3 years left on his deal for Chytil and Kravtsov.
It's too bad gm's around the league don't think this way

 

[bl02]

Scheifele ain't costing that. That wasn't an offer for Eichel, who didn't bring back that level of package.

You know for a fact that was the offer for Eichel? Cause It was bandied about it was more like Laf plus. At the time Schneider didn't have the value he has now.

 

[bl02]

It’s not like they arguing over a deal. The Coyotes would gladly ship Kessel out for a 4th or 5th. If the Rangers take his whole cap hit (easy to do) It then frees the Coyotes to be the third team in another salary retention deal.

For a 4th or a 5th it's a no brainer. I wonder if he can match Gauthier's 1 point in 16 games or 2 points in 26 games hmmm????

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

The point is Eichel is a better player, younger and singed for longer than Schiefele and didn't return the franchise ending hall predicted by people on this board as a whole.

Well fair enough there.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Kessel is actually having a good season too so if NYR can get him on the cheap, I see no reason not to do it.

 

[egelband]

It’s not like they arguing over a deal. The Coyotes would gladly ship Kessel out for a 4th or 5th. If the Rangers take his whole cap hit (easy to do) It then frees the Coyotes to be the third team in another salary retention deal.

I feel like the question is actually, where does Kessel want to go. He doesn’t seem super interested in becoming a ranger. If his preferred destinations don’t pan out it might happen though.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I mean, yea, we would be pretty dumb not to get Kessel IF the price is just a 4th/5th round pick.

Do i think the price is that low? No.

 

[egelband]

I know Gauthier takes a lot of crap here - and he certainly isn’t putting up points. But I think he is visible nightly and a much much more consequential player than most of our bottom sixers. And he’s developing. Which is a constant complaint here. I think - quietly - he and Laf have made good strides this year with consistent playing time.

 

[BBKers]

Obvious targets as of now:
- Lehkonen
- Domi
- Kessel
- Rights to McBain

Maybe a cheap Vet depth D option (IMO it is a very saturated TDL depth D market which should bring down prices). Maybe add a new backup G if our dispairaged Bulgarian Blocker Boxer finds a taker...?

Firstly, try to use the once in a lifetime excessive TDL salary cap of $30M+ facilitating 2-3 deals to get additional assets to make some of this happen. The rest should not be that expensive to acquire. No way should Lehkonen cost a first. 2nd, Goat and a midtier prospect outta Gortons good grace draft cabinet for Lehk and Poehling maybe? Winning one round in the playoffs this season (likely vs the Whining Sidneys dresed in their tuxedos? ) would do a lot of good for this team. Reasess the roster in the offseason and at the TDL. There will be unexpected opportunities. Especially if we keep our best assets. There always are. Be smart and patient...

 

[Ola]

Drury has so much work to do with this roster. He needs to acquire three centers to lineup behind Zibanejad. I agree with you about the options not being great. Schiefele's game is declining. He will get his points but he is not the same player he was a few years ago and he isn’t an old guy. Winnipeg will want a ton for him and he isn’t worth the asking price. Horvat has been better this season. Vancouver will probably keep him and move their other players.

Hertl? He will get $8M minimum. How are the Rangers paying him and filling the other pieces on this team? Vegas traded Brannstrom and a 2nd to Ottawa for Stone. Vegas signed Stone to a contract immediately. $9.5M AAV. The Rangers could remove Chytil and Nemeth from their cap and still have a difficult time putting a contending team on the ice with their current commitments and future commitments with Hertl at $8M.

I like Phil Tomasino in Nashville. He is a first year player. Nashville has him playing on the 4th line on the right side. He is a natural center. Former 1st round pick in 2019.

Dylan Holloway in Edmonton. He suffered a serious wrist/hand injury last season. The bone has healed but he has still some discomfort. The tendons and muscles haven't completely healed. He is playing on the wing because his hand isn't strong enough to take face-offs. I heard him discuss his injury on Friday.



This team is stuck.

I 100% agree.

Ultimately, Drury must pull a couple of rabbits out of a hat. That is not great. However, it must be acknowledged. It just don’t add up that we either can keep Strome or get someone established for like 8m per.

But, with that said, I don’t think it’s as bad as it sounds. I.e. I don’t think it would be impossible to ‘pull of those rabbits’.

It’s a hard league to play in. But kids that is put in perfect positions to succeed does well in this league. PLD was able to take that big step playing between Panarin and Atkinson. A Nolan Patrick can’t get anything done playing between lesser linemates. Would the fortunes be reversed if the roles were reversed? I don’t know, but it’s not black and white.

But it’s one thing to find a center that can carry a line and another to find a center that just must not destroy a line. And I just don’t think it’s very unlikely that there is a center out there who is a ‘shot at playing with Panarin’ away from establishing himself in this league.

 

[leetch99]

Not for me

Nils is too good to trade for a straight up rental(s)

If they move him it’s gotta be for something long term and preferably cost controlled

I have to agree....we cannot get ahead of ourselves . The higher rated draft picks that are cooking need to be guarded in any possible moves. Those picks will be harder to come by as we advance in the standings and drop in the draft . Scouting is so vital moving forward . I hope the Rangers are ahead of the curve on that and no reason for not being the leader and find a couple of gems . Scouting during Covid times likely has been tough and now with the war going it will be even harder . We need to avoid the Lias Andersson picks .

 

[mas0764]

Yes we do

We have enough for one big trade before we start harming our depth badly.

 

[RangerBoy]

I 100% agree.

Ultimately, Drury must pull a couple of rabbits out of a hat. That is not great. However, it must be acknowledged. It just don’t add up that we either can keep Strome or get someone established for like 8m per.

But, with that said, I don’t think it’s as bad as it sounds. I.e. I don’t think it would be impossible to ‘pull of those rabbits’.

It’s a hard league to play in. But kids that is put in perfect positions to succeed does well in this league. PLD was able to take that big step playing between Panarin and Atkinson. A Nolan Patrick can’t get anything done playing between lesser linemates. Would the fortunes be reversed if the roles were reversed? I don’t know, but it’s not black and white.

But it’s one thing to find a center that can carry a line and another to find a center that just must not destroy a line. And I just don’t think it’s very unlikely that there is a center out there who is a ‘shot at playing with Panarin’ away from establishing himself in this league.

Drury is a rookie GM. The Buchnevich trade. The Nemeth contract. His body of work so far doesn't inspire a ton of confidence.