Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVIII

[Edge]

Interesting that it hasn't happened in the salary cap era.

Unless it's a swap of high picks - ie... 1OA for 3OA and an NHL player, I don't see it happening in a league that really needs cost controlled elite talent.

I’d also like to chime in and say that last point is why picks and young players are such valued commodities in TDL deals.

I know everyone wants top prospects and a treasure trove of young talent, but the reality is that teams don’t want to part with young, cost-controlled players unless they feel they have to.

That’s why I don’t think people truly understand the value of that McD trade from a while back.

Putting upsides, ceilings, and potential aside for a moment, you also have a situation where the Rangers acquired at least two cost-controlled talents for their roster, now, with a third very likely in Lundkvist, and the potential to maybe/hopefully add a fourth.

Essentially, they put themselves in a position to get a cost controlled defensive pairing and maybe 2/3 of a forward line.

Again, all other things off the table, that’s huge.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

I'm curious. Let's assume VAN will do whatever they can to get 1OA. What kind of package do you think it would take for NJ to pull the trigger?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'm curious. Let's assume VAN will do whatever they can to get 1OA. What kind of package do you think it would take for NJ to pull the trigger?

Horvat+Boeser+10th overall + 2020 1st would possibly start the conversation. But even then I don't think NJD does it

 

[Edge]

I'm curious. Let's assume VAN will do whatever they can to get 1OA. What kind of package do you think it would take for NJ to pull the trigger?

I would imagine their obscene ask would be similar to ours: Pettersson, the 10th, a first next year and another component.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

I would imagine their obscene ask would be similar to ours: Pettersson, the 10th, a first next year and another component.

Would you trade 2OA for this?

 

[Good Intentions]

Experiencing extreme FOMO by not being able to read all these posts.

At this point, perhaps most is just speculation - but every once in a while there's a gem.

 

[Edge]

Would you trade 2OA for this?

Depends on that fourth component. But if Pettersson is in the mix, I consider it.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Depends on that fourth component. But if Pettersson is in the mix, I consider it.

I assume that's close to what it would take, but it just illustrates how unlikely it is to happen. That cost seems rather absurd to me. You're getting an already proven young, NHL player in Pettersson who has the potential to be as good as KK, as well as 2 more 1sts + another asset.

Vancouver would be out of their mind to do this.

 

[Edge]

I assume that's close to what it would take, but it just illustrates how unlikely it is to happen. That cost seems rather absurd to me. You're getting an already proven young, NHL player in Pettersson who has the potential to be as good as KK, as well as 2 more 1sts + another asset.

Vancouver would be out of their mind to do this.

Exactly.

So that’s where we come full circle. I can think of a package that would get consideration, I just don’t see Vancouver considering it.

 

[Leetch3]

1998, 1999, 2002, 2003

i didn't realize about the 98 pick...the pick for vinny was traded twice actually. Fla traded it to SJ, then SJ traded down to #2 swapping picks with TB,. and then SJ traded down to #3 swapping picks with nashville and took brad stuart...crazy. that original FLA trade that was made the previous November might be were the whole protected pick trend started lol

the others though involved teams within the top 3-4 picks swapping picks...

also 3 of the 4 years the panthers originally had the top pick and traded it...so that could be a sign of florida being a terribly run organization more than anything lol

 

[RGY]

Petterson, Boeser, 10th overall, ‘20 1st unprotected, ‘20 2nd.

May seem like an unreasonable ransom and that is because it is.

They want the pick so bad then pay up. You dont get to pick in the top 3 all the time with this type of talent in the Top 2....unless of course you’re Edmonton.

 

[Fitzy]

I've seen no evidence that Hughes has a higher ceiling than Petterson to this point.

I think a 1 for 1 would be fair value.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Would you trade 2OA for this?

Yes. And I love Kakko

 

[Fitzy]

Would you trade 2OA for this?

Without so much as blinking, and I'd throw a block party.

Pettersson is going to be a 100 point center. The rest is just massive gravy added on top.

 

[FoxyClean]

Barring some major disappointments, we’re set up to be an absolute monstrous team in 2021-22. Perhaps our best since ‘94. How do I fast forward two years?

 

[wafflepadsave]

Yes they had their Sedin(s) - so no doubts in my mind that Jim Benning will try to get him. But it might cost them Elias ++ value package, but I would do it and moved him for Jack Hughes for sure he might be generational, Elias is not.

I doubt that Devils will do it though - you seldom see a franchise move their 1 oa.

Yeah, you’re right right. Petterson plus. Would be just like the devils to take KK and let the Rangers ponder some 8ball trade possibilities.

 

[Thirty One]

Without so much as blinking, and I'd throw a block party.

Pettersson is going to be a 100 point center. The rest is just massive gravy added on top.

And think of what their 2020 1st might be subtract Petterson and adding Hughes

 

[wafflepadsave]

I think that's more of a rumor that people in the media have created than something Vancouver is actually pursuing. Think Sedins 2.0

Man I hope that’s the case. Last thing we need we are options at #2.

 

[QJL]

Crazy talk. If Pettersson was offered for either pick, you take Pettersson, straight up. Looks like a surefire top 10 player for the next decade, likely top 5. I don’t know how anyone could exude the same confidence about Hughes or Kakko at this point.

 

[Edge]

Crazy talk. If Pettersson was offered for either pick, you take Pettersson, straight up. Looks like a surefire top 10 player for the next decade, likely top 5. I don’t know how anyone could exude the same confidence about Hughes or Kakko at this point.

I love Pettersson, but I do think the gamble with Hughes and Kakko is an extra dimension that Pettersson might not quite be able to match.

In the case of Kakko, it’s a skill set in the same general tier, but with an additional 2-4 inches and 30-40 pounds on the frame.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Exactly.

So that’s where we come full circle. I can think of a package that would get consideration, I just don’t see Vancouver considering it.

We only need one stupid gm to make that happen though.

 

[Edge]

We only need one stupid gm to make that happen though.

One stupid GM with elite level assets.

The first is out there, somewhere. The second component can be a little more difficult to find.

 

[Mikos87]

I'd take CBJ's starting six over TB's starting six any day of the week.

CLB is stacked on D. 5 Legitimate top 4 D now. Nutivara is underrated, and Savard is a legitimate top 4 shutdown guy.

Kukan is very underrated. Finally getting playing time and he's doing doing great. Harrington is very reliable 5v5 and on the PK. Doesn't make a lot of mistakes.

They've got Gavrikov over, Peake, and Carlsson. The latter of whom has been buried by their depth. Not to mention a Norris caliber top pair that can eat 28 a night in all situations.

If Murray stayed healthy, then he'd get a lot of accolades. He's a very good player... not 2nd overall good... but very good nonetheless.

 

[Fitzy]

I love Pettersson, but I do think the gamble with Hughes and Kakko is an extra dimension that Pettersson might not quite be able to match.

In the case of Kakko, it’s a skill set in the same general tier, but with an additional 2-4 inches and 30-40 pounds on the frame.

What do you see Kakko's best case scenario as?

 

[DutchShamrock]

We can ask something crazy because this is Vancouver approaching us. Not the other way around. Make me move from 2. We have no obligation to make a reasonable trade.

Pettersson and next year's 1st, because they have had awful lottery luck forever and its bound to break the other way at any time. Pettersson may be generational, or the next level down. But Vancouver used up 2 ELC years and they aren't getting 3 more from Hughes without paying through the nose.

Cap is a commodity too. Players are a component of the trade but swapping 3 ELC years for 1 ELC prior to dropping an 8 x $10+ can't be ignored by modern GMs.