Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVIII

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

It will be interesting to see how Stevie Y does without inheriting an excellent, young core.

As shitty as Detroit is right now, they have some quality pieces in place: Larkin, Anthanasiou, Mantha, Hronek, Zadina, and the 6th pick. It’s not what he inherited in Tampa but he’s got some talent to work with.

 

[Off Sides]

Didn't realize how much the Bruins got for Lucic in that trade. They Received the 13th overall, Martin Jones and Colin Miller which in the end turned into Zboril (13th overall), Kuraly, Trent Federic (29th overall). They lost Miller to Vegas. I know Zboril and Federic haven't proved anything but still 13th and 29th overall picks.

There is reasoning behind that trade which may or may not be there for Kreider. Part of which is perception, is Kreider seen in a similar way Lucic was at the time of that trade, and that trade is probably seen as a mistake, the next Lucic contract certainly has to be seen as a mistake, not sure a repeat should be expected, yet I'd be more than happy if the Rangers can find a repeat.

https://thehockeywriters.com/milan-lucic-trade-la-kings-revisited/

 

[Ola]

And without a benefit of lower state tax. He should deservingly get props for properly taking advantage with TBL but it will be more difficult in Detroit.

Yeah, Yzerman is blamed for his team being the best in the regular season and then lose in the POs.

Player for player, CBJ is just on par with Tampa. Not to speak of when Hedman and Kucherov is out. Yzerman built a great team in Tampa on which everyone have over performed. Travel back in time and look at the assets they had and ask of this guy would score 120, that guy 80-90 and so forth. Everyone have really been put in positions to succeed on that team.

I have to say that I think it’s pretty clueless to trash Yzerman. If you can’t see what great job he has done in Tampa I don’t know what to say.

 

[Barnaby]

This is my thought process, though as others pointed out Lundkvist is a RD. I'd add Reunanen to your list of LD (though I'd probably remove Crawley). The differentiation is pretty stark. And, as you alluded to, the odds of prospects making it are pretty low in general, so we definitely need more quantity at the RD position, as well as quality.

That being said, most of the reason I wonder about Soderstrom comes from what I've read about his intensity and work ethic.

Where did you read that. because I've read the exact opposite. I've heard he's hyper competitive and involved. If a top 10 pick doesn't work out, then I'd absolutely be fine moving up a bit for York or Soderstrom if it can be done for a reasonable cost like the Miller move last year.

 

[NernieBichols]

Yeah I think Columbus as constructed is a lot better than anyone is giving them credit for. Full season of this team without the distractions and they probably win the metro and aren’t meeting Tampa until the ECF.
Bob came up big and vaselisky shrunk

 

[NernieBichols]

I’ve been thinking of the red wings as dark horse for karlsson. For a team in need of some buzz and potential, they kinda seem like a club that would be willing to take a chance they get him right and he’s a dynamic player for them. That he becomes the next red wings Swedish face of the franchise.

If the rangers are love with a couple of these centers bc of their expected draft positioning and scouting these guys a lot, I’d want them to do what it takes to move up to get one with the glut of other picks and assets. I think it’s important they don’t put their feet up saying it’s all house money we got the 2OA, be ballsy and go grab a center if you think he’s a future 1C

 

[Barnaby]

And without a benefit of lower state tax. He should deservingly get props for properly taking advantage with TBL but it will be more difficult in Detroit.

It's also probably a lot easier taking a guy to a nice restaurant on the beach and selling him on the idea of living in Tampa rather than destitute Detroit.

 

[Tawnos]

Where did you read that. because I've read the exact opposite. I've heard he's hyper competitive and involved. If a top 10 pick doesn't work out, then I'd absolutely be fine moving up a bit for York or Soderstrom if it can be done for a reasonable cost like the Miller move last year.

What I meant is that I wonder if he’s the guy the Rangers are interested in. You read the scouting reports and he just sounds like a Rangers draft pick. Gorton likes high intensity players and if he can get them with skill...

 

[Thirty One]

NCAA offensive RD with questionable positional judgment...

I'm not ready to write off all offensive defensemen college prospects because a low-profile one 15 years ago failed to carve out a long NHL career.

 

[Barnaby]

What I meant is that I wonder if he’s the guy the Rangers are interested in. You read the scouting reports and he just sounds like a Rangers draft pick. Gorton likes high intensity players and if he can get them with skill...

Gotcha... agreed.

 

[DutchShamrock]

If Chicago passes on Podkolzin - it might be more of a possibility given his KHL contract status. Both Kreider and Skjei might be too much after top2 but Kreider, Pionk, Hajek and Jets pick is a good package IMHO.

It should be noted that Chicago went with Boqvist last year despite his self professed longer timeline to the NHL. Chicago could go a number of ways, but they have already shown a willingness to wait for talent even if it takes longer. Kind of the anti-Edmonton.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

NCAA offensive RD with questionable positional judgment...

Yeah except Pock is left handed

 

[Ghost of jas]

You forgot Lundkvist but the point stands. The other thing is that our RW pool is further away and will take longer to develop. I think Gorton will try to address this positional need via trade or UFA.

Either Kakko or Kravtsov is stepping into the lineup at RW next year, and you have Buchnevich. Chytil can play both wings. I'm not sure that's the case.

 

[kovazub94]

It should be noted that Chicago went with Boqvist last year despite his self professed longer timeline to the NHL. Chicago could go a number of ways, but they have already shown a willingness to wait for talent even if it takes longer. Kind of the anti-Edmonton.

Of course, but this is why I said IF

 

[I Eat Crow]

Larry Brooks is to Hayes as Webster was to Zuccarello.

I'm really starting to think Brooks is Hayes' real father.

 

[Tawnos]

I'm not ready to write off all offensive defensemen college prospects because a low-profile one 15 years ago failed to carve out a long NHL career.

You could at least try to be reasonable.

 

[haohmaru]

Larry Brooks is to Hayes as Webster was to Zuccarello.

I'm really starting to think Brooks is Hayes' real father.

Then Hayes' mother must've been 6' 3" 'cause Larry didn't pass along that height.

 

[kovazub94]

Either Kakko or Kravtsov is stepping into the lineup at RW next year, and you have Buchnevich. Chytil can play both wings. I'm not sure that's the case.

My bad, I meant RD. I will go fix the post.

 

[QJL]

Either Kakko or Kravtsov is stepping into the lineup at RW next year, and you have Buchnevich. Chytil can play both wings. I'm not sure that's the case.

I agree, RW is the deepest position in the org. In my opinion, it’s the ideal position for the following players:

Kakko
Kravtsov
Buchnevich
Chytil
Fast

Chytil could develop into a C. He isn’t a good one right now.

 

[Waivers]

CBJ is constructed well but Duchene is the X factor there. With a healthy Kuch and Hedman and no Duchene, I’m not too confident they can repeat that. The timing of events can be beautiful come playoff time.

 

[McRanger]

I'm not ready to write off all offensive defensemen college prospects because a low-profile one 15 years ago failed to carve out a long NHL career.

You should be more open minded.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I'm really starting to think Brooks is Hayes' real father.

At one point, I thought Brooks was RB.. He always managed to post his articles 1st.. Always referenced things Brooks said... Then, one day, when RB blasted Brooks I realized no sane person would do that to themselves.. Although, that could have been a clever ploy by RB to throw us off his tracks since a few of us thought they were the same person..

 

[I Eat Crow]

At one point, I thought Brooks was RB.. He always managed to post his articles 1st.. Always referenced things Brooks said... Then, one day, when RB blasted Brooks I realized no sane person would do that to themselves.. Although, that could have been a clever ploy by RB to throw us off his tracks since a few of us thought they were the same person..

I mean, the stuff with Hayes and Brooks is over the top. Brooks posted another article today that advocates for bringing Hayes back. At least Webster had a vested interest in Zucc (good friend). The Hayes/Brooks stuff is getting to the point of being creepy. The only logical explanation for it is that they're related somehow.

I never bought the RB/Brooks conspiracy theory. Too many subtle differences in their writing styles.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I mean, the stuff with Hayes and Brooks is over the top. Brooks posted another article today that advocates for bringing Hayes back. At least Webster had a vested interest in Zucc (good friend). The Hayes/Brooks stuff is getting to the point of being creepy. The only logical explanation for it is that they're related somehow.

I never bought the RB/Brooks conspiracy theory. Too many subtle differences in their writing styles.

Maybe Hayes was his only contact in the organization after everyone else left.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

CBJ is constructed well but Duchene is the X factor there. With a healthy Kuch and Hedman and no Duchene, I’m not too confident they can repeat that. The timing of events can be beautiful come playoff time.

Their blueline is underrated. Jones and Werenski rivals Hedman and McDonagh.