Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVIII

[Ori]

I still hope Rangers get Jack Hughes if Devils decide to go with a more NHL ready guy in Kakko in a different position. He is the most talented guy in this 2019 draft in my view - especially in some years into the future.

 

[Stacker29]

He’s in his mid-20s now, and has dropped from the 1st to the 2nd to now the 3rd man up on D from HFD over the last three years. I think he sees the writing on the wall that he’s not in the Rangers’ rebuilding plans and leaves as an UFA.

Thanks.

I did notice he didn’t get many games this year.

 

[Vitto79]

people are getting greedy. We're not getting another top 10 pick.

Lol yea and nothing wrong w that

They could get another 1st though if Kreider is moved it will be a 1st plus player

 

[iamitter]

I still hope Rangers get Jack Hughes if Devils decide to go with a more NHL ready guy in Kakko in a different position. He is the most talented guy in this 2019 draft in my view - especially in some years into the future.

He totally is. That's why he's going 1OA lol

 

[Barnaby]

We don't necessarily need two top-six centers... 1. they're looking at contention with the Rubix Cube cluster**** on D for AT LEAST 2 years. 2. this team went to the ECQF with Erik Christensen as no. 1...

I'm not sure that's a situation I'd be attempting to replicate.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

We don't necessarily need two top-six centers... 1. they're looking at contention with the Rubix Cube cluster**** on D for AT LEAST 2 years. 2. this team went to the ECQF with Erik Christensen as no. 1...

That's a fancy way of saying we reached 1st round of the play offs

 

[Barnaby]

I think there’s the potential intrigue there because of McDavid.

Having said that, the Oilers wouldn’t add to a deal and you’d have to give them something to offset their risk - like the Winnipeg first. This would also give them the option to flip Kreider at the TDL if things weren’t working out, and head into next year with two firsts.

Having said that, I think if we’re talking Edmonton, they might be more inclined to mention Buchnevich. I’ve also felt a straight trade of Kreider to Edmonton was less likely.

I was thinking that as well as the most realistic way for Kreider to Edmonton, but I still don't see it. I could obviously be wrong. Buchnevich, WPG first, and another smaller add MIGHT be in the ballpark but I'm kind of skeptical. I think a more likely scenario would be them sliding down 5 or so picks in return for a serious cap dump and/or young player. I guess that's where getting the AZ pick for Kreider would come in, but that's two major deals and a lot of moving parts.

1. If I had to venture a guess. Kreider to AZ for 14. Maybe another small add.
2. 14th pick, 37th pick for 8OA, and a fairly significant cap dump coming back.

or

14th and WPG pick for 8th.

I'm just spit balling, but I hope they pull something off for one of the American centers or a falling Podkolzin, although sticking at 14 and 22 wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if you can get a Caufield or Boldy at 14.

 

[Edge]

I was thinking that as well as the most realistic way for Kreider to Edmonton, but I still don't see it. I could obviously be wrong. Buchnevich, WPG first, and another smaller add MIGHT be in the ballpark but I'm kind of skeptical. I think a more likely scenario would be them sliding down 5 or so picks in return for a serious cap dump and/or young player. I guess that's where getting the AZ pick for Kreider would come in, but that's two major deals and a lot of moving parts.

1. If I had to venture a guess. Kreider to AZ for 14. Maybe another small add.
2. 14th pick, 37th pick for 8OA, and a fairly significant cap dump coming back.

or

14th and WPG pick for 8th.

I'm just spit balling, but I hope they pull something off for one of the American centers or a falling Podkolzin, although sticking at 14 and 22 wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if you can get a Caufield or Boldy at 14.

Frankly, I think your spit-balling is probably the more realistic scenario if Edmonton is involved/a potential target.

I think a teen pick is probably more likely if we're talking about a potential Kreider deal (team looking to make the jump, being in a more competitive position, potentially a more attractive location, etc.). It would then be up to the Rangers whether they felt 14 and 22 was was worth moving up to 8-10, and whether those teams would even have an interest.

Depending on who the Rangers have in a group, timing also becomes a factor. For example, if the Rangers believe that there are 8 guys they'd love to have from this draft, securing the 8 spot could be something they look to finalize prior to the draft. If the options are the 9th or 10th pick, and they love 8 prospects, that might be more of a draft day approach if a guy they like falls.

 

[Bluto]

It would be horrid asset management to trade kreider and a mid round pick for a pick in the 8-10 range.
We got 7OA and ADA for Stepan and Raanta FFS.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Best way into another top ten pick is prob Anaheim, they need a lot of help

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

I still hope Rangers get Jack Hughes if Devils decide to go with a more NHL ready guy in Kakko in a different position. He is the most talented guy in this 2019 draft in my view - especially in some years into the future.

Hughes is going to be in the NHL next year.

It would be horrid asset management to trade kreider and a mid round pick for a pick in the 8-10 range.
We got 7OA and ADA for Stepan and Raanta FFS.

I agree that trading Kreider along with WPG's first for the 8-10 slot would be bad, but Kreider is essentially a year-long rental.

We're probably looking at a return slightly better than that of Hayes. There's no way Kreider returns what Stepan did with just a year left, unless there's some sort of Stone-like agreement made before the deal.

 

[Edge]

Best way into another top ten pick is prob Anaheim, they need a lot of help

If they're interested, I find them to be a very plausible trade partner.

I think they'd have a legit shot to resign Kreider, if it worked out.

They made signficant progress after their coaching change.

I think they might be trying to get that last run out of Getzlaf and Perry.

They already have another first round pick in this draft to offset their lose. They could also flip Kreider next deadline and have two picks next year.

I also think Anaheim is a potential trade partner if they don't want Kreider.

If you flip him for a pick (we'll say 14).

Does Anaheim have an interest in trading down five slots for a second? Would a slightly expanded deal be worth giving up the Winnipeg pick --- giving them three first rounders? Maybe something along the lines of 9 and 40 for 14 and 22? They'd then pick 14, 20 and 22 in this first round, and the Rangers would take the big swing they want.

 

[Beacon]

I still wonder if the Rangers trade-up target isn't Soderstrom.

That would be my guess. We need RDs desperately. Everyone is looking at forwards with exciting stats, but we have 8 forwards 24 or younger capable of top-9 play (Buchnevich, Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, Lias, Howden, Lemieux, Strome) plus Zibanejad is 25. Barron and Vinni may get there also.

We have a ton of LDs: Skjei, K'Andre, Hajek, Rykov, Lindgren, Crawford, Rag. But what do we have on the RD? ADA, Pionk, Keane. Literally every RD prospect must hit his ceiling to get us where we need to be. That won't happen. Throw in Soderstrom and the situation looks much better. Throw in Soderstrom and Fox, and suddenly things look downright fun.

 

[NYR Viper]

It would be horrid asset management to trade kreider and a mid round pick for a pick in the 8-10 range.
We got 7OA and ADA for Stepan and Raanta FFS.

Two totally different situations. Stepan has term left. That draft was also 6 players deep and then had a considerable drop off

 

[Lion Hound]

I'd find it highly unikely for any club in the top 10 to swing a deal in this years draft to sell off the pick.

 

[NYR Viper]

That would be my guess. We need RDs desperately. Everyone is looking at forwards with exciting stats, but we have 8 forwards 24 or younger capable of top-9 play (Buchnevich, Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, Lias, Howden, Lemieux, Strome) plus Zibanejad is 25. Barron and Vinni may get there also.

We have a ton of LDs: Skjei, K'Andre, Hajek, Rykov, Lindgren, Crawford, Rag. But what do we have on the RD? ADA, Pionk, Keane. Literally every RD prospect must hit his ceiling to get us where we need to be. That won't happen. Throw in Soderstrom and the situation looks much better. Throw in Soderstrom and Fox, and suddenly things look downright fun.

Lundqvist is a RD. Isn’t Reunen a RD as well?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Lundqvist is a RD. Isn’t Reunen a RD as well?

Reunanen is lefty

 

[Off Sides]

Hughes is going to be in the NHL next year.



I agree that trading Kreider along with WPG's first for the 8-10 slot would be bad, but Kreider is essentially a year-long rental.

We're probably looking at a return slightly better than that of Hayes. There's no way Kreider returns what Stepan did with just a year left, unless there's some sort of Stone-like agreement made before the deal.

Waiting for a Stone like agreement means waiting until next deadline when Kreider can see UFA on the door step. Trying to find a team he'd be willing to extend with, and them actually having whatever the Rangers would be looking for.

That 8-10 slot in the 2019 draft is worth more than the #7 spot in 2017 was if a team is looking for a potential top line center, especially if that team just drafted a super high ceiling potential top line wing.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

That would be my guess. We need RDs desperately. Everyone is looking at forwards with exciting stats, but we have 8 forwards 24 or younger capable of top-9 play (Buchnevich, Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, Lias, Howden, Lemieux, Strome) plus Zibanejad is 25. Barron and Vinni may get there also.

We have a ton of LDs: Skjei, K'Andre, Hajek, Rykov, Lindgren, Crawford, Rag. But what do we have on the RD? ADA, Pionk, Keane. Literally every RD prospect must hit his ceiling to get us where we need to be. That won't happen. Throw in Soderstrom and the situation looks much better. Throw in Soderstrom and Fox, and suddenly things look downright fun.

Lundkvist is a RD prospect and if we get Fox that's another.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

It would be horrid asset management to trade kreider and a mid round pick for a pick in the 8-10 range.
We got 7OA and ADA for Stepan and Raanta FFS.

Stepan had term, was younger at the time of the trade, more productive, and played center.

Kreider is a winger who no term. This is also a stronger draft than 2017. It's not horrible asset management at all, especially when you factor in the prospects who'll be available around that pick.

 

[Edge]

I'd find it highly unikely for any club in the top 10 to swing a deal in this years draft to sell off the pick.

That's why I think any path forward would involve them trading down a few slots as opposed to trading out completely.

I think the Rangers would have any easier time convincing someone to go from 9 to 14, if it brought with it an added pick, than they would if approached a team about a pick for player swap.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Again, why does everyone want Fox? He sounds like a drafted Thomas Pock.

 

[Thirty One]

Again, why does everyone want Fox? He sounds like a drafted Thomas Pock.

How so?

 

[Edge]

That would be my guess. We need RDs desperately. Everyone is looking at forwards with exciting stats, but we have 8 forwards 24 or younger capable of top-9 play (Buchnevich, Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, Lias, Howden, Lemieux, Strome) plus Zibanejad is 25. Barron and Vinni may get there also.

We have a ton of LDs: Skjei, K'Andre, Hajek, Rykov, Lindgren, Crawford, Rag. But what do we have on the RD? ADA, Pionk, Keane. Literally every RD prospect must hit his ceiling to get us where we need to be. That won't happen. Throw in Soderstrom and the situation looks much better. Throw in Soderstrom and Fox, and suddenly things look downright fun.

Possible, but I don't know if some of the defensive prospects stand out as guys you jump through hoops to get either. I could see the Rangers making a move that lands them in the mid-teens and exploring a guy like Soderstrom, but I don't know I see them making two separate moves to get him in the top 10.

RD is definitely weaker than LD at the moment, but I also don't know if the Rangers wouldn't prefer to find a path to Fox to help fill that need. Not sure I see their targets including moving assets for both Soderstrom and Fox --- because both would require the Rangers to do so.

The grumbling is that there's some centers they really like. So if we're talking top 10, I think that's probably the more likely approach. If we're talking mid-teens, or maybe even moving up from wherever the Winnipeg pick lands, I think the odds of going for a guy like Soderstrom might increase significantly.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Two totally different situations. Stepan has term left. That draft was also 6 players deep and then had a considerable drop off

Could use another high-end center prospect as well, however. Arguably more so than RD given Lundkvist and probably Fox.

Agree that RD is right there behind C in terms of need, however.