Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVIII

[TheBloodyNine]

Petterson + Horvat + #10 + 2nd 2019 + 1st 2020.

That's the level of offer it would take to get me to trade that pick. And I still might not do it.

 

[bl02]

Wouldn’t mind that, especially if they are able to get Dallas’s first rounder.

From all accounts he will be gone way before 28-31.
I would say if St. Louis doesn't win we won't even have a chance at him with our Jets pick

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

From all accounts he will be gone way before 28-31.
I would say if St. Louis doesn't win we won't even have a chance at him with our Jets pick

A team reaching the 2nd round doesn't affect draft position.

 

[ArPanet]

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko can be referred to as "the bilingual line"

Or, the Multi Verse Line.

 

[Machinehead]

You're confusing me. You were against the rebuild more than anyone.

You have not been paying attention. @Machinehead has been fully on board for a while now.

I was, but Uncle jas and @Edge showed me a different standpoint. I can now see the plan coming into place.

I will preface this by saying that I do this too, but @Machinehead changes his opinion like he (hopefully) changes his underwear.

Yes, but I think this is a good thing.

To me, somebody who doesn't change opinions is uninformed and close-minded. It's perfectly healthy to change your opinion with new research, different viewpoints, different conversations.

The only time it's bad is when you change your opinion solely based on who you're with to try and fit in with the crowd.

Also, my underwear is fresh af.

 

[Ola]

Yes if we draft Jack Hughes then we can as well going for Nucks defender Quinn Hughes it will cost though.

Yeah my thought exactly!

Start a thread proposing Lias and Pionk.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Petterson + Horvat + #10 + 2nd 2019 + 1st 2020.

That's the level of offer it would take to get me to trade that pick. And I still might not do it.

Eh, if they actually offered that deal, I would easily trade the pick lol

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I was, but Uncle jas and @Edge showed me a different standpoint. I can now see the plan coming into place.


Yes, but I think this is a good thing.

To me, somebody who doesn't change opinions is uninformed and close-minded. It's perfectly healthy to change your opinion with new research, different viewpoints, different conversations.

The only time it's bad is when you change your opinion solely based on who you're with to try and fit in with the crowd.

Also, my underwear is fresh af.

What did uncle jas and Edge say?

 

[Machinehead]

What did uncle jas and Edge say?

More or less that there are many ways to win the Cup and every year the "pattern" changes, but the one constant thing is elite talent. We're always missing that because we've never gone through the process it takes to get it.

For awhile, I feared that we'd just become another Edmonton or Florida, but they brought up the point that those teams suck at filling out depth. We've always been the best at it given that we had to compete on our depth.

Beyond winning Cups, I just find that I desperately need a franchise talent to hang my hat on. As much as I love Kreider, the Rangers have never had a high-end talent without question marks, at least not since Leetch's prime.

We've had Lundqvist, but being a goaltender is a question mark in and of itself.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

More or less that there are many ways to win the Cup and every year the "pattern" changes, but the one constant thing is elite talent. We're always missing that because we've never gone through the process it takes to get it.

For awhile, I feared that we'd just become another Edmonton or Florida, but they brought up the point that those teams suck at filling out depth. We've always been the best at it given that we had to compete on our depth.

Beyond winning Cups, I just find that I desperately need a franchise talent to hang my hat on. As much as I love Kreider, the Rangers have never had a high-end talent without question marks, at least not since Leetch's prime.

We've had Lundqvist, but being a goaltender is a question mark in and of itself.

I was also originally concerned that we'd end up another Edmonton or Florida. Another thing that we have is a coveted destination for FAs.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Hypothetical situation:

• Jets get knocked out and everything falls right where their pick becomes #19.
• Rangers trade Kreider for #14 or 15.
• Would you trade those 2 picks to get in the 5 to 7 range? And does that even get you there?

 

[bl02]

A team reaching the 2nd round doesn't affect draft position.

I know that and I also know that if the jets beat the blues unfortunately I feel they are going to the wcf

 

[Off Sides]

Another difference between Edmonton and the Rangers, Rangers have several prospects who were drafted after #3 overall who are devloping just fine. And several more who just graduated from being prospects

 

[NYR Viper]

Hypothetical situation:

• Jets get knocked out and everything falls right where their pick becomes #19.
• Rangers trade Kreider for #14 or 15.
• Would you trade those 2 picks to get in the 5 to 7 range? And does that even get you there?

I'd have a hard time trading both the #14 AND the #19. I'd more easily trade the 14, a player + the Rangers 2nd + a later 2nd (say Dallas') to try to move up to the 8-9 range than trade both other firsts.

Maybe a team like Edmonton would consider:

#8 + Gagner (cap dump) for #14 + #37

Or something like that. Assuming the #37 could help the Rangers move up 4 spots to #10 on its own and then the $3m+ cap dump helps to move it another couple of spots. Perhaps the Rangers throw in someone useful like Fast or Vesey

 

[Shesterkybomb]

With the way the Islanders are playing, a lot of Rangers fans around the neighborhood are trying to sell me "we could have just hired Trotz and he would just make us good, and then we wouldn't have to rebuild. Something about keeping Zuccarello."

Ok, sure. Trotz, for my money, is the best coach in the league. He probably makes us a playoff team provided we keep Zuccarello and Hayes in this alternate universe.

But let's keep in mind that even Trotz -the best coach in the league- didn't win anything with Nashville and hasn't won anything yet with the Islanders. He needed multiple Hall of Fame talents to finally cash in.

So really it just goes back to the same old song that people would rather get to the playoffs and get a participation medal than go through the real process of building a team. It's the song we've been playing for 80 years.

Montreal is stuck in that position,their only saving grace is they have been keeping their 1st rounders. We did the right thing, got the right coach for young players and imo seem to be hitting on pretty much everything you have to do to rebuild a team. Torts wouldn't have done much more with this team as its constructed. The Isles are a much better team than they are given credit for. At the start of the year some isles fans were complaining about taveres. I made a bet with them then that they would be a better team this year than last. 24 beer for me!

 

[Machinehead]

Montreal is stuck in that position,their only saving grace is they have been keeping their 1st rounders. We did the right thing, got the right coach for young players and imo seem to be hitting on pretty much everything you have to do to rebuild a team. Torts wouldn't have done much more with this team as its constructed. The Isles are a much better team than they are given credit for. At the start of the year some isles fans were complaining about taveres. I made a bet with them then that they would be a better team this year than last. 24 beer for me!

Trotz has gotten all the credit and he deserves credit, but Pelech, Toews, and Pullock are really good defensemen.

 

[leetch99]

Trotz has gotten all the credit and he deserves credit, but Pelech, Toews, and Pullock are really good defensemen.

Yup...their defense is quite good . I noticed that in an earlier Ranger game . They have even improved since then. Isles will be around again next season too ....so....we better be prepared for them or we might get some bad beatings LOL....It sucks...my bro is an Islander fan...really SUCKS !!!

 

[Machinehead]

Yup...their defense is quite good . I noticed that in an earlier Ranger game . They have even improved since then. Isles will be around again next season too ....so....we better be prepared for them or we might get some bad beatings LOL....It sucks...my bro is an Islander fan...really SUCKS !!!

At least the Devils look pretty bad even with Hughes

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

At least the Devils look pretty bad even with Hughes

hughes and nico is the next crosby and malkin i’ve been told

 

[Trxjw]

Hypothetical situation:

• Jets get knocked out and everything falls right where their pick becomes #19.
• Rangers trade Kreider for #14 or 15.
• Would you trade those 2 picks to get in the 5 to 7 range? And does that even get you there?

Absolutely and I'm not sure both are enough to actually get you 7, let alone 5. 8 is a maybe but only because the Oilers are rumored to be nervous about taking a kid heading to the NCAA.

Great prospects available in the teens for sure, and two of them aren't a bad consolation prize, but there are some premium talents in the top-10. Give me Kakko and one of the top centers and it's a grand slam of a draft.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Absolutely and I'm not sure both are enough to actually get you 7, let alone 5. 8 is a maybe but only because the Oilers are rumored to be nervous about taking a kid heading to the NCAA.

Great prospects available in the teens for sure, and two of them aren't a bad consolation prize, but there are some premium talents in the top-10. Give me Kakko and one of the top centers and it's a grand slam of a draft.

I keep wondering if that #4 pick is gettable. I mean, if the Avs go on a nice little run here in the POs, and prove they're close, what's better for them, a high pick who might be ready to contribute in a meaningful way ~3 years down the line? Or a package that includes immediate help for McKinnon while he's dead, square in his window? Something like Kreider, Pionk, and the Winnipeg pick for #4OA? Or how about Kreider + Skjei straight up for the pick?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I keep wondering if that #4 pick is gettable. I mean, if the Avs go on a nice little run here in the POs, and prove they're close, what's better for them, a high pick who might be ready to contribute in a meaningful way ~3 years down the line? Or a package that includes immediate help for McKinnon while he's dead, square in his window? Something like Kreider, Pionk, and the Winnipeg pick for #4OA? Or how about Kreider + Skjei straight up for the pick?

Anyone you take in that spot is almost instant impact anyway.

It's going to be really hard to pry that pick away from them.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Anyone you take in that spot is almost instant impact anyway.

It's going to be really hard to pry that pick away from them.

Is that really the case, though? Kotkaniemi went 3rd OA last year and scored 11 23 34 in 79 games; Barrett Hayton played another year in the CHL. Nolan Patrick has 30 and 31 points in his first two years in the league. Even a stud like Barkov, who was drafted 2nd OA, didn't meaningfully contribute until his 3rd year in the league. Are Cozens/Dach/Turcotte/Zegras really considered a notch higher than those guys?

 

[effen]

I keep wondering if that #4 pick is gettable. I mean, if the Avs go on a nice little run here in the POs, and prove they're close, what's better for them, a high pick who might be ready to contribute in a meaningful way ~3 years down the line? Or a package that includes immediate help for McKinnon while he's dead, square in his window? Something like Kreider, Pionk, and the Winnipeg pick for #4OA? Or how about Kreider + Skjei straight up for the pick?

I'd imagine the price would be Zibanejad + something pretty good. And then you say "that's too much." And that's why #4 picks aren't traded. =)

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Is that really the case, though? Kotkaniemi went 3rd OA last year and scored 11 23 34 in 79 games; Barrett Hayton played another year in the CHL. Nolan Patrick has 30 and 31 points in his first two years in the league. Even a stud like Barkov, who was drafted 2nd OA, didn't meaningfully contribute until his 3rd year in the league. Are Cozens/Dach/Turcotte/Zegras really considered a notch higher than those guys?

I think Cozens and Dach could possibly play, I expect Byram to be their guy and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he does.

But when I say instant impact, I mean making the jump and being a positive contributor. They don't have to tear it up off the bat, they just have to upgrade what already exists.