Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVIII

[NYR Viper]

Is Brassard even a better option than Strome at this point? He gets hurt, can't carve out a spot any where. Wasn't working as the #3 behind Crosby and Malkin. Not a #2 being MacKinnon.

Look, you sign Brassard and that leaves you with Strome, Howden, Andersen, and Chytil as guys battling for 2 center spots. Or you don't answer the center question on LA and Chytil for another year.

Brassard has been getting traded for less and less. He went to Colorado with a 6th for a 3rd. They were desperate for a second line center and went cheap instead of dipping into their assets. Florida may have been stuck if Colorado wasn't shopping.

That return isn't good enough to clutter the forward groups and muddy our future center depth. Its arguable that Strome is the better player. If we never had Brassard here before no one would want him now.

For me, the idea would be to insulate the center ice position a bit for 1 more year. Strome can play center, but having Brassard here pushes him to the wing and gives the Rangers 5 centers to begin the year. Zibanejad, Strome, Brassard, Nieves, Howden. With outside chances to Chytil and Andersson. Insulation and some redundancy at center is a good thing as injuries will happen.

I really don't see any of the Rangers current D as legit 1st pairing guys. Skjei's a top 4 and that's where DeAngelo's heading. Miller's a possibility in the future. Fox--I'm not sure about. The Rangers have a bunch of guys who should be good to very good top 4's and looking around the league there are good teams that get by alright without great 1st pairing guys. Boston for instance--McAvoy's got the talent but the offense and consistency isn't really there--the Islanders are another team--there is no one really outstanding on their D. Toronto's just got Rielly but he's not a guy I see ever winning a Norris Trophy.

It will be a big deal for the Rangers when all of Shattenkirk, Staal and Smith are gone--after that the space will be clear for all these coming guys to become what they're going to become. But anyway some of this is about how we define what a legit 1st pairing guys and there are different definitions than mine--but I'm looking at a guy who can play 25 minutes a game night in and night out at a high level in all situations--that includes penalty killing and last minute situations of needing a goal or protecting a lead and an ability to excel in these situations and if they can put up 50 points or more then you've got a real deal No. 1 D. Nobody on the Rangers currently is near that and Miller might turn into a first pairing guy but I don't think he'll turn into a legit No. 1. Our future situation is hardly bleak though--even if we don't have a real stud coming we've got a lot of numbers of defenders who could turn into quality players.

It would also be a good thing if at least two of Staal, Shattenkirk and Smith aren't Rangers this time next year.

For me, I would almost prefer to have 6 top-4 defensemen than 1 elite d-man and a couple of guys only capable of playing 12 minutes a game. Depth and balance.

I also disagree with the notion that the Rangers don't have a first pairing upside guy within the system. They ave guys like Miller, Lundqvist, Rykov, Hajek an Lindgren with outside shots for guys like Keane or Gross. If I had to put money on it, at least one of those guys will end up being a top-pair guy just based on percentages. That doesn't even account for a 24 year old Skjei getting his act together or DeAngelo getting better after his first real full season in the NHL. Or someone like Fox being acquired.

People look at the d-core within the system and seem to want that one flashy prospect but Gorton has done a very admirable job of finding guys who may have been undervalued in other systems for whatever reason and given himself quite a few shots at top-pair young guys.

 

[SA16]

Sorry but where is anyone saying that Henke is done and is on a backup level now?

Goalies with 30+ games (48 total).

35th in save percentage.
38th in GAA.
0 shutouts
32nd in wins.
He did have 0 PIM and 3 A so there's one positive. Maybe he can be moved to defense. That way both Georgiev/Shestyorkin will be able to be on the team. Henrik has a brother who is a skater so I'm sure he can do it. He'd probably be a big help to the young goalies blocking shots in front.

It's time to let Georgiev play full time until Lindbom is ready to take over. Shetyorkin has an out to go back to Russia so hard to trust him.

 

[Michal]

Sorry but where is anyone saying that Henke is done and is on a backup level now?

I have written that he could be a good backup in a stanley cup contender. Probably "backup" was inappropriate but still think that team would need an another very good goalie as well to win the cup. And of course I have never said he is done

 

[Kovalev27]

Just to be clear with our work ethic under quinn and another summer of development for Chytil Lemieux Howden DeAngelo Hajek Andersson.

Added to this core forward group up front

Zibanejad
Kakko
Panarin
Kravtsov
Buchnevich
Kreider
Strome
Fast

Plus this goaltending depth

Hank Georgiev Shesterkin

And veteran blueliners in Skjei Staal Smith and perhaps a Top UFA righty Dman.

You’re telling me that group can’t do what the islanders or bluejackets did. Or be where stl or Dallas or Winnipeg are? Carolina?

This would be a playoff team. No doubt in my mind if we keep kreider sign Panarin and go move Shattenkirk and replace with a more two way top righty dman.

 

[Michal]

I really don't see any of the Rangers current D as legit 1st pairing guys. Skjei's a top 4 and that's where DeAngelo's heading. Miller's a possibility in the future. Fox--I'm not sure about. The Rangers have a bunch of guys who should be good to very good top 4's and looking around the league there are good teams that get by alright without great 1st pairing guys. Boston for instance--McAvoy's got the talent but the offense and consistency isn't really there--the Islanders are another team--there is no one really outstanding on their D. Toronto's just got Rielly but he's not a guy I see ever winning a Norris Trophy.

It will be a big deal for the Rangers when all of Shattenkirk, Staal and Smith are gone--after that the space will be clear for all these coming guys to become what they're going to become. But anyway some of this is about how we define what a legit 1st pairing guys and there are different definitions than mine--but I'm looking at a guy who can play 25 minutes a game night in and night out at a high level in all situations--that includes penalty killing and last minute situations of needing a goal or protecting a lead and an ability to excel in these situations and if they can put up 50 points or more then you've got a real deal No. 1 D. Nobody on the Rangers currently is near that and Miller might turn into a first pairing guy but I don't think he'll turn into a legit No. 1. Our future situation is hardly bleak though--even if we don't have a real stud coming we've got a lot of numbers of defenders who could turn into quality players.

It would also be a good thing if at least two of Staal, Shattenkirk and Smith aren't Rangers this time next year.

I like your definition of a legit No.1

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Is Brassard even a better option than Strome at this point? He gets hurt, can't carve out a spot any where. Wasn't working as the #3 behind Crosby and Malkin. Not a #2 being MacKinnon.

Look, you sign Brassard and that leaves you with Strome, Howden, Andersen, and Chytil as guys battling for 2 center spots. Or you don't answer the center question on LA and Chytil for another year.

Brassard has been getting traded for less and less. He went to Colorado with a 6th for a 3rd. They were desperate for a second line center and went cheap instead of dipping into their assets. Florida may have been stuck if Colorado wasn't shopping.

That return isn't good enough to clutter the forward groups and muddy our future center depth. Its arguable that Strome is the better player. If we never had Brassard here before no one would want him now.

Brassard is a move backward.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Sorry but where is anyone saying that Henke is done and is on a backup level now?

There have been posts about it for the past couple months in GDTs, this thread, the Shesty/Kravtsov thread, even the Kakko thread. Also all over twitter. Like I said, it's not the majority opinion, but it is for sure out there.

The last 10 or so GDTs were littered with it.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Goalies with 30+ games (48 total).

35th in save percentage.
38th in GAA.
0 shutouts
32nd in wins.
He did have 0 PIM and 3 A so there's one positive. Maybe he can be moved to defense. That way both Georgiev/Shestyorkin will be able to be on the team. Henrik has a brother who is a skater so I'm sure he can do it. He'd probably be a big help to the young goalies blocking shots in front.

It's time to let Georgiev play full time until Lindbom is ready to take over. Shetyorkin has an out to go back to Russia so hard to trust him.

It’s not hard to trust Shestyorkin. His dream is to play in the NHL. If he needs to spend a year in Hartford he’ll do so. He said he’ll play in Hartford If he’s asked to.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Are we bringing Rykov and Reuninen over? Did they give up on Rykov or are looking to trade his rights?

 

[Blue Blooded]

Paul Fenton is demonstrably not too bright and they just fired their analytics guy AC Thomas, we might be able to swing a Pionk-Pateryn trade which would give us a legit shutdown RD.

They also get the added bonus of ousting a dirty Michigander for a good ol' Minnesota boy.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Pateryn got ridiculously defensive deployment and provided pretty decent results if I may say so:

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Are we bringing Rykov and Reuninen over? Did they give up on Rykov or are looking to trade his rights?

The season isn't over yet.

 

[Ori]

We are not touching that JT Miller contract @RangerBoy - we`ve seen enough of him here and in playoffs recently. Callahan would be a bottom 6 guy which most of our current players are located except 4-5 players in our tier 1 category @Ola mentioned earlier. If he take Ryan Callahan contract with 5.8 mil cap hit - Tampa need to give us something in return. Because he has declined over the years and not the same player he was from 2014, and he is injury prone in age of 34. Ryan will more likely retire end of next season in 2019-20.

Brady Skjei played down to tier 2 so hopefully he bounce back next season, cross fingers.

 

[NYR Viper]

If TB is looking to off-load someone, they should look to trade Tyler Johnson. He is actually a valuable piece at a reasonable contract. He's 28 years old with 5 years remaining and RH C. If I were the Rangers and TB was looking to off-load someone, he'd be a guy I would be interested in.

 

[rangers1314]

If TB is looking to off-load someone, they should look to trade Tyler Johnson. He is actually a valuable piece at a reasonable contract. He's 28 years old with 5 years remaining and RH C. If I were the Rangers and TB was looking to off-load someone, he'd be a guy I would be interested in.

I believe he has a NTC for the next 2 years.

 

[True Blue]

There have been posts about it for the past couple months in GDTs, this thread, the Shesty/Kravtsov thread, even the Kakko thread. Also all over twitter. Like I said, it's not the majority opinion, but it is for sure out there.

The last 10 or so GDTs were littered with it.

Twitter is for twitter. HF Boards are for HF Boards. Where in this thread or Shesty/Kravston thread is anyone saying that Henke is done or playing at a backup level?

 

[True Blue]

2021-22, IMO, has been the target year. The young talent should be ready, and you have four contracts coming off the books.

My contention has been that they bottom out next year and begin to rise up in 2020.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

The season isn't over yet.

Yeah, but still....

 

[True Blue]

Miller, DeAngelo and Lundkvist are the only players on that list with 1st-pairing upside. I’m of the belief that Skjei is not long for this franchise.

Of those, Miller probably has the best chance. I think that Lundqvist is a second pairing guy (hopefully he can prove me wrong). DeAngelo, I would not call a #1. He is probably best playing 2nd pair. Perhaps if he continues to progress, you could have him on top pair but with a strong defensive partner.

This is why if the Rangers do indeed trade into the top 10, I would be praying that Byram drops. But I doubt it. The kid is gone 3-5.

 

[True Blue]

Is Brassard even a better option than Strome at this point?

Sorry but why is Brassard being rehashed?

 

[Ghost of jas]

My contention has been that they bottom out next year and begin to rise up in 2020.

Agreed, they could be on the fringes of a playoff berth in 2020-21.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Sorry but why is Brassard being rehashed?

I brought it up. Placeholder if the Rangers are looking to add a veteran presence.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Of those, Miller probably has the best chance. I think that Lundqvist is a second pairing guy (hopefully he can prove me wrong). DeAngelo, I would not call a #1. He is probably best playing 2nd pair. Perhaps if he continues to progress, you could have him on top pair but with a strong defensive partner.

This is why if the Rangers do indeed trade into the top 10, I would be praying that Byram drops. But I doubt it. The kid is gone 3-5.

He's gone by 4, Colorado would be insane not to take him.

Either someone is going to have to step up out of our prospects or we'll end up having to trade for that guy.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

He's gone by 4, Colorado would be insane not to take him.

Either someone is going to have to step up out of our prospects or we'll end up having to trade for that guy.

I mean, I feel like this is a grass is always greener situation.

If K'Andre was draft-eligible this year as opposed to last, after the year he just had, don't you think he's challenging Byram for top D chosen overall?

 

[Leonardo87]

Trade Kreider for futures.

The Rangers have talked to Tampa about Callahan's contract. The Rangers can take on the one year contract. Get TB's 1st rounder(27th) in exchange. Give TB back their 2nd. Callahan's $5.8M cap hit and #27 for #58. Callahan has a limited NTC so he has some control. The Rangers are on his list of acceptable teams. Ottawa will be in the market to take on money to reach the floor. Callahan isn't going to Ottawa. Callahan will be good for the Rangers young players. Gorton told Dave Maloney he is looking for experience character guys to help the young guys play the right way.

That's how I feel, yeah I am still a Callahan fan, still support him, but if he can come back and help the Rangers, which I know he can, it's a win all around. He ain't winning a cup if he stays in Tampa under Jon Cooper. That ship has sailed.... or sunk in Tampa's case. I think him and Quinn can hit it off well. It seems like it's inevitable that he is moving on, but at this point might be better for him than it is for Tampa. I mean this sweep is going to hurt for a long time. It's unreal.