Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

You have to be a literal family member of Ryan Strome to defend a resigning, not up for discussion.

Dylan probably would, just so he can ensure the Blackhawks dont make that mistake in free agency lol

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Lmfao comparing Lindgren playing through injury to Strome playing through injury. Lindgren was 1000x more impactful.

There was also no reason to have Strome play the end of the regular season through injury. There is no heroism in that on his part. He should have sat out. Just like he should have been a man and told Gallant and staff he could not go in the ECF Game 6 rather than being a forward down for the entire 3rd period and really the whole game with the way he was moving out there. No heroism there either. Oh and missing an open net in Game 5 that could have been a difference maker in going to the Stanley Cup Finals.

Strome can GTFO once and for all.

It's not happening, you get atleast 5 more years of crying about him unfortunately for everyone here

 

[Zarao71]

If I had to guess I'd say we're looking at 3 possible scenarios.
1)Sign Copp for around 5Mil and call it a day.
2)Try Chytil as your 2nd line Center and have a little more money for depth guys.
3)Trade Chytil, Kappo or Kravstov, Pick(s) to the Jets for PLD

 

[AirGut]

this teams cap issue, while also trying to remain competitive, is an absolute mind f*** and I really don't know how Drury sleeps at night

 

[Crease]

this teams cap issue, while also trying to remain competitive, is an absolute mind f*** and I really don't know how Drury sleeps at night

How nice it would be to have the $3.5 million cap space being taken by Shattenkirk, Girardi, and DeAngelo.

 

[Avery16]

How nice it would be to have the $3.5 million cap space being taken by Shattenkirk, Girardi, and DeAngelo.

I’d settle for the 3.6 Goodrow is making on a 15-team NTC for the next half decade.

 

[effen]

Pls God not another off-season of pining for soulless dead inside block of wood Christian Dvorak.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Does strome have his deficiencies? Sure. But hes a solid 2C. Elite 2C? No. Solid and great fit for this team? Yes. If he’ll take 5 years 4.5 we do it all day. Anything above that I feel we should let him walk and get ready for the trade deadline acquisition. If JT Miller isnt traded this offseason hes probably the deadline acqisiton for a 1, 2 and a prospect

After deadline
Laff-mika-kreider
Panarin-miller-kakko
Blais-chytil-kravtsov
Motte-goodrow-reaves/rooney

Lindy-fox
Kandre-trouba
Jones-schneider
7th dman like braun acquired at deadline

 

[McRanger92]

Does strome have his deficiencies? Sure. But hes a solid 2C. Elite 2C? No. Solid and great fit for this team? Yes. If he’ll take 5 years 4.5 we do it all day. Anything above that I feel we should let him walk and get ready for the trade deadline acquisition. If JT Miller isnt traded this offseason hes probably the deadline acqisiton for a 1, 2 and a prospect

After deadline
Laff-mika-kreider
Panarin-miller-kakko
Blais-chytil-kravtsov
Motte-goodrow-reaves/rooney

Lindy-fox
Kandre-trouba
Jones-schneider
7th dman like braun acquired at deadline

JT Miller is probably an option in the summer. I doubt the Rangers win a bidding war if it comes to that, but they have the pieces to get him. He’s a perfect fit, even as a 1 year rental.

 

[McRanger92]

Idk if he’s eligible for an extension, but a good way for Drury to manage the future cap would be to offer Chytil a new deal. 3/4 years 3.5 mil AAV. Chytil gets a nice bump, stability and a vote of confidence from the organization. We lock in a good, young NHL center on a team that has no center depth whatsoever. Even helps the Copp decision knowing you could have Mika-Copp-Chytil-Goodrow locked in through this window.

 

[IDvsEGO]

If I had to guess I'd say we're looking at 3 possible scenarios.
1)Sign Copp for around 5Mil and call it a day.
2)Try Chytil as your 2nd line Center and have a little more money for depth guys.
3)Trade Chytil, Kappo or Kravstov, Pick(s) to the Jets for PLD

Not sure we can afford PLD. He's prob looking for 8m a year, and unless we trade all 3 of FC/KK/VK we cant afford that, And if we can afford it, that kind of a move wipes all our solid depth.

 

[egelband]

I feel like there’s a good chance Drury bites the bullet this summer and does some cap-friendly maneuvering. Maybe they give one or two of the kids long-term deals. Maybe they include a pick to get out of the Nemeth deal. They focus on the cap now, give the kids prime time roles next season, and then stock up as needed at the trade deadline.


Maybe I’m hoping for this more than expecting it…

 

[egelband]

I think we in the end kind of yielded to the Lightning, the way the Canes yielded to us. It was mental more than physical. The team kind of lost belief for no good reason it seemed to me.

I feel the same way.

Not criticizing, they put away two really good squads. I’m hugely impressed overall.

 

[Barnaby]

Signing Trocheck for 5mil is akin to trading a 1st, 2nd, 5th plus Barron for Trocheck at $0 discount.
Pass

Or they could trade more assets for another center. That’s just a bad way of looking at it.

 

[Barnaby]

How nice it would be to have the $3.5 million cap space being taken by Shattenkirk, Girardi, and DeAngelo.

Not to mention the money given to Nemeth for no other apparent reason than he’s big and Swedish. Just for him to play with Nils, then to have Schneider turn around and be vastly more effective than either of them. That contract was poor before the ink was dry.

 

[Barnaby]

Pls God not another off-season of pining for soulless dead inside block of wood Christian Dvorak.

.... but.... but.... he’s “on a great contract!”

 

[Barnaby]

Does strome have his deficiencies? Sure. But hes a solid 2C. Elite 2C? No. Solid and great fit for this team? Yes. If he’ll take 5 years 4.5 we do it all day. Anything above that I feel we should let him walk and get ready for the trade deadline acquisition. If JT Miller isnt traded this offseason hes probably the deadline acqisiton for a 1, 2 and a prospect

After deadline
Laff-mika-kreider
Panarin-miller-kakko
Blais-chytil-kravtsov
Motte-goodrow-reaves/rooney

Lindy-fox
Kandre-trouba
Jones-schneider
7th dman like braun acquired at deadline

I think they decided to move on from Strome awhile ago and let him go to the market. Someone will give him a solid longer term deal. It won’t be NYR. You haven’t heard one whisper about extension talks over the last 6 months. Playoffs, play in, and high pressure games where his line with Panarin disappears. He had a good run here but it’s over.

 

[egelband]

The big issue with free agents and the Islanders was their arena. That's no longer a concern. UBS is great. Living in Nassau County was never the issue, it's a great place to live when you've got money.

I don't see why they can't compete for a playoff spot next season. Columbus and Philly stink, Washington won't have Wilson for at least half the season and Backstrom might be done for good. Boston could go full rebuild. Montreal will be horrid. Buffalo? Detroit? We'll see.

f***. Yeah, you’re probably right.

 

[QJL]

You're not trying to make Zibajenad less likely to use his shot, you're trying to give him another option for when he's winding up and the shot isn't there aside from corralling the puck and moving it back up to Fox.

I don't see how it would be a bad thing for Zibanejad to occasionally work in a fake shot - pass to the bumper player for a one timer. Seems like the type of play that would work very well considering everyone knows the Rangers are always trying to set up Zibanejad for the shot.

Strome is actually extremely good in that slot for the reasons you stated. He's really good at drawing coverage, knowing where to be, how to position his stick to help open lanes and such. He's very strong there, I just think that adding a LH player in his spot could help open up another option. The PP is obviously great so I'm not trying to crap on it or Strome on it or anything like that, just thinking that a LH player in that slot could potentially make it even better. Potentially being the key word.

Panarin looks to pass from the right side. Zibanejad looks to shoot from the left side. I can say I’m in agreement that a LH player in the slot makes sense. It’s ideal to have two shot-ready options for Panarin as he looks cross ice or for Kreider if he drops to the goal line on the Panarin’s side.

People are penciling Lafreniere into that slot. Unfortunately his game is much better suited for the right wall or net front.

 

[QJL]

I will be thoroughly pissed if Drury traded Barron, 1st, 2nd for a couple of months of Copp who almost quite literally plays the exact type of game the team needs at center and who is at a very good age to help this team continue to compete. The Danault contract is the perfect comparable. Copp scores more, Danault is the better defensive center.

In running the numbers on capfriendly it’s an interesting thought experiment to sign both Copp and Motte at $5.125m and $1.85m respectively, trade Nemeth and the team fits reasonably easily. But if you then consider that if they don’t sign Motte, they MAY be able to take a run at someone like Nick Paul who can also play center, it’s an intriguing thought.

Singings
Copp - 6 years at $5.125m
Kaako - 2 years at $2.25m
Paul - 5 years at $2.75m
Raffl - 2 years at $1.2m
Greiss - 2 years at $1m

Trades
Reaves to Montreal for a 3rd
Nemeth to Arizona for a 6th ‘23
Georgiev to Edmonton for a 6th ‘22 + 3rd ‘23
Gauthier to Buffalo for a 5th

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Copp-Kravtsov
Paul-Chytil-Kravtsov
Raffl-Goodrow-Blais
Hunt

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider
Tinordi

Shesty
Greiss

$.233m in cap space

We can absolutely fit Copp next year.

We absolutely cannot fit Copp starting in 23-24.

We all want to keep the player but it just isn’t close to lining up financially beyond next season. If you have a solution, please share it. And no, we can’t trade Kreider, Trouba, or Panarin until summer 2024.

 

[Barnaby]

Idk if he’s eligible for an extension, but a good way for Drury to manage the future cap would be to offer Chytil a new deal. 3/4 years 3.5 mil AAV. Chytil gets a nice bump, stability and a vote of confidence from the organization. We lock in a good, young NHL center on a team that has no center depth whatsoever. Even helps the Copp decision knowing you could have Mika-Copp-Chytil-Goodrow locked in through this window.

Chytil played some of his best hockey in this years playoffs, but prior to that he was invisible virtually all season. I wouldn’t feel comfortable handing him that type of extension right now.

 

[mas0764]

I will be thoroughly pissed if Drury traded Barron, 1st, 2nd for a couple of months of Copp who almost quite literally plays the exact type of game the team needs at center and who is at a very good age to help this team continue to compete. The Danault contract is the perfect comparable. Copp scores more, Danault is the better defensive center.

This is why renting is stupid. Teams only are willing to trade you the players cause they are likely signing with a crap team with loads of cap in the offseason. You almost always overpay and you almost always don't end up with a Cup.

 

[mas0764]

PS I remember all the debates we had at the deadline where I kept being told about how we could afford to keep JT Miller and do other stuff and now as we sit here we can't even re-sign Strome OR Copp.

Thank god we didn't make that idiotic trade at least.

 

[CLW]

this teams cap issue, while also trying to remain competitive, is an absolute mind f*** and I really don't know how Drury sleeps at night

I don't think competitiveness will be an issue. This team has so much talent it's basically a self playing piano, up to a point (the Cup). But we are reaching crunch time, both in terms of the Cup and the Cap. How does this team find a long term 2C solution? If Kakko gets a one-year-deal Miller, Kakko, Laf, Chytil, Kravstov & Jones are all due for new deals in the summer of 2023. Obviously all of them can't be signed to significant raises. Signing Miller is a no brainer, Laf too can't see him going anywhere.

Maybe the solution is to roll with one year deals until the summer of 2024 (should be easier with the immediate Cup pursuit at the front of everyone's mind), when a large scale reconstruction is possible, and go with one year rentals at 2C until then. JT Miller this season/?? next and then see what the lay of the land is in the summer of 2024. Aho is UFA in 2024 just saying... (just as an example for you literal types).

 

[NYRangers16]

The Rangers have very very few open line spots, which makes this great, but they also have very limited cap space.

My guesses:
2C - Resign Copp or Strome(to me ideally Copp)
2RW - Resign Kakko
3 LW - Resign Motte
3 LD - Jones, Lundqvist or Robertson
Backup goalie - vet barely over minimum

Create space by dealing Nemeth

Get assets back for the rights to Geo, Gauthier, and Hajak, and whichever 2C we don't sign

Only other possibility I see is, we have very significant young assets to move in Lundqvist, Kravtsov, and Jones. I don't know how we'd make it work cap-wise, but we have the assets for a major trade. It's just, this team is top heavy capwise already. And why trade for a center when we can resign one we know already. So only possibility I see is something with Kakko, but are they going to find somebody on a better contract, who can do significantly more, and worth trading extra assets for? I just don't see that player existing. Plus, this team needs all the young cheap depth it can get. Last point. I wonder if Kravtsov resigned conditionally based on being traded. It wouldn't surprise me one bit.