Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[UAGoalieGuy]

Now announce a Nemeth trade plz

 

[McRanger92]

It comes down to cost. I think Vatrano is a swiss army knife player in terms of flexibility to play up and down the lineup. Blais is similar in that regard. You can never have enough of those. Maybe Vatrano takes a team friendly deal over 3 years to stick around close to his home state of MA and with his buddy Trouba, while being on a team trending upward.

I also would get copp signed and figure out the 2023 roster decisions when we approach that bridge. Things happen. Players get traded. They get hurt. Try and keep this group together for the most part.

I think Blais & Kravtsov defeat the purpose of Vatrano, especially because he doesn't add positional versatility or special teams value. We know that means a lot to Drury/Gallant.

 

[haohmaru]

Listened to Vince's lengthy podcast today and a few tidbits:

He doesn't think Strome is going to end up here - apparently he shook all the media's guys/girls hands (and was the only person to do so) on the way out - as if he has an inkling that he won't be back.

Suggested Copp might if the numbers work for the Rangers, suggested Trocheck as a ~5M+ option, suggested that the Rangers might just run with Chytil given his elevation in the playoffs.

Said that Drury spoke with Kakko about whatever went on with game 6 before he went back to Finland

Everything else was obvious/stuff that we've thrown about here for months.

 

[mas0764]

Kakko, 1st, Lundkvist, +?? for Pasta who says no

I do

 

[howztheglass]

Strome walks
Geo gone maybe Edmonton for 3rd.
Nemeth with the 3rd from Geo to Arz or Seattle.
I think some around Nils small plus for Dach make sense.

If you could get Copp @5 do it but doubt it.

Sign Ven and Motte for the 5 Drury was going to give Copp.

Not sure why a lot of posters don’t like Ven fast, hits, very good shot we’ve had alot worst playing on our first and second lines.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Strome walks
Geo gone maybe Edmonton for 3rd.
Nemeth with the 3rd from Geo to Arz or Seattle.
I think some around Nils small plus for Dach make sense.

If you could get Copp @5 do it but doubt it.

Sign Ven and Motte for the 5 Drury was going to give Copp.

Not sure why a lot of posters don’t like Ven fast, hits, very good shot we’ve had alot worst playing on our first and second lines.

If it means no more Hunt on line 2 than do what you can to resign Frankie V. Imagine Hunt on the PP woof

Now announce a Nemeth trade plz

I wonder how much have to be dealt with Nemeth just to dump him. That scares me

 

[haohmaru]

My own thoughts:

I don't think Kakko is going anywhere and won't get offer sheeted. He'll sign a bridge for 2Mish/per
Vatrano is a goner
Strome is a goner
Copp will only be signed if he takes a hit in the wallet. He'll get a lot more elsewhere.
I'd look for Lundkvist to get moved in a package for a cost controlled center with 2/3C upside
Nemeth will get buried, bought out, or traded.
I thought they'd give Blais another shot and they did
Jones/Schneider will get a long look next season
I don't hate the idea of Statsny paired with Goodrow and Kravtsov on line 3
1Mish backup goalie will be in the offing - maybe Lindgren's brother (Charlie)?
I also think Motte will be too expensive to bring back

I do

Me too. We can't afford him anyway.

 

[huerter]

Just saying that I don’t think it’s material. It’s not only Panarin that got the puck on our PP. when Ziba has it on the left side it’s the exact same thing, he can find say Laf with a pass for a one timer or pass it down low to Kreider who can get it to Laf for a one timer.

It’s the same with Panarin’s position. Plenty of PPs do great with a LHS in that role, it’s even more common.

If you want shots to come from the left, you need a RHS there and a RHS shot on the blueline. Or vice versa.

Strome will be missed on our PP for a transition period. He never tried to do too much, and so forth. But structurally, I just don’t see why it would have a big impact.

With that said, this is not a topic that I currently feel I have a great track over. Perhaps I am missing something, but it has to be more than opening some door and closing another for it to be material. What is material is when it allows a PK to create situations that they can use.

As a former high major DOBO I can diagram a half court offense.

 

[NYR Viper]

I will be thoroughly pissed if Drury traded Barron, 1st, 2nd for a couple of months of Copp who almost quite literally plays the exact type of game the team needs at center and who is at a very good age to help this team continue to compete. The Danault contract is the perfect comparable. Copp scores more, Danault is the better defensive center.

In running the numbers on capfriendly it’s an interesting thought experiment to sign both Copp and Motte at $5.125m and $1.85m respectively, trade Nemeth and the team fits reasonably easily. But if you then consider that if they don’t sign Motte, they MAY be able to take a run at someone like Nick Paul who can also play center, it’s an intriguing thought.

Singings
Copp - 6 years at $5.125m
Kaako - 2 years at $2.25m
Paul - 5 years at $2.75m
Raffl - 2 years at $1.2m
Greiss - 2 years at $1m

Trades
Reaves to Montreal for a 3rd
Nemeth to Arizona for a 6th ‘23
Georgiev to Edmonton for a 6th ‘22 + 3rd ‘23
Gauthier to Buffalo for a 5th

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Copp-Kravtsov
Paul-Chytil-Kravtsov
Raffl-Goodrow-Blais
Hunt

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider
Tinordi

Shesty
Greiss

$.233m in cap space

 

[DialUp]

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Copp-Kravtsov
Paul-Chytil-Kravtsov
Raffl-Goodrow-Blais
Hunt

I know of a certain someone around here that would absolutely LOVE that line up. Especially the right side on the 2nd and 3rd lines.

 

[NYR Viper]

I know of a certain someone around here that would absolutely LOVE that line up. Especially the right side on the 2nd and 3rd lines.

I was going to correct it but…..nah

 

[haohmaru]

Singings

Kaako - 2 years at $2.25m


Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Copp-Kravtsov
Paul-Chytil-Kravtsov
Raffl-Goodrow-Blais
Hunt

You game sixing Kakko to start the season?

 

[I Eat Crow]

I will be thoroughly pissed if Drury traded Barron, 1st, 2nd for a couple of months of Copp who almost quite literally plays the exact type of game the team needs at center and who is at a very good age to help this team continue to compete. The Danault contract is the perfect comparable. Copp scores more, Danault is the better defensive center.

In running the numbers on capfriendly it’s an interesting thought experiment to sign both Copp and Motte at $5.125m and $1.85m respectively, trade Nemeth and the team fits reasonably easily. But if you then consider that if they don’t sign Motte, they MAY be able to take a run at someone like Nick Paul who can also play center, it’s an intriguing thought.

Singings
Copp - 6 years at $5.125m
Kaako - 2 years at $2.25m
Paul - 5 years at $2.75m
Raffl - 2 years at $1.2m
Greiss - 2 years at $1m

Trades
Reaves to Montreal for a 3rd
Nemeth to Arizona for a 6th ‘23
Georgiev to Edmonton for a 6th ‘22 + 3rd ‘23
Gauthier to Buffalo for a 5th

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Copp-Kravtsov
Paul-Chytil-Kakko
Raffl-Goodrow-Blais
Hunt

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider
Tinordi

Shesty
Greiss

$.233m in cap space

This lineup slaps with Kakko on the 3rd. Just switch Paul so he's the center on that 3rd line and Chytil the LW'er. Get it done.

 

[MrAlmost]

Thought Blais would get 2 years but 1 makes sense and the hit is spot on. Copp needs to take a massive discount if he is going to stay. Would be a shame if he doesn't. This team could be special with him in the fold.

 

[Zarao71]

2023/24 is gonna be brutal cap wise.
Laff, Chytil, Miller, Kravstov, Jones all up for new contracts.
The only contracts coming off the books is Reaves and Blais.
We have $59,000,000 in contracts for 9 Players assuming we ditch Nemeth.

 

[McRanger92]

2023/24 is gonna be brutal cap wise.
Laff, Chytil, Miller, Kravstov, Jones all up for new contracts.
The only contracts coming off the books is Reaves and Blais.
We have $59,000,000 in contracts for 9 Players assuming we ditch Nemeth.

Othmann, Berard, Cuylle, Robertson will all be with the NHL team by then presumably. I also think Kakko & Kravtsov will be competing for a long term top 6 spot next year and one will be dealt in the 23 offseason. Miller & Laf will be prioritized and Chytil is a center so he will be more important to retain than the wingers. At least thats how I see it.

 

[IDvsEGO]

2023/24 is gonna be brutal cap wise.
Laff, Chytil, Miller, Kravstov, Jones all up for new contracts.
The only contracts coming off the books is Reaves and Blais.
We have $59,000,000 in contracts for 9 Players assuming we ditch Nemeth.

we also get 3m off the books from buyouts, and theoretically the cap jumps another 1m.
I have a feeling we'll punt on the kids contracts. Do 1 year deals with all of them, be straight forward.
Jones if he's not on the team though I have a feeling we move.

25 is the year the cap is expected to jump. I can easily see a 10m jump. But even if it doesn't both CK and Trouba can be moved which would clear 13m in space. That should be enough to lock up miller and laf to 8 year deals.

 

[Kravtsov420]

You game sixing Kakko to start the season?

That’s my brother, EdJovanovski-Kravtsov. I promised him a spot if he lobbied for me enough

 

[RangerBoy]

Ryan Strome is a one-dimensional player. He needs to play in the top 6 and on the PP to be effective. The Rangers already have Mika Zibanejad signed to an eight year extension. Do the Rangers want to be committed long-term to Zibanejad and Strome as their top two centers? Strome can't be used on the third line. Andrew Copp can be moved up and down in the lineup. He can play in the middle and on the wing. Copp wants too much money and term. Strome isn't worth keeping long-term.

 

[Kravtsov420]

You have to be a literal family member of Ryan Strome to defend a resigning, not up for discussion.

 

[Zarao71]

we also get 3m off the books from buyouts, and theoretically the cap jumps another 1m.
I have a feeling we'll punt on the kids contracts. Do 1 year deals with all of them, be straight forward.
Jones if he's not on the team though I have a feeling we move.

25 is the year the cap is expected to jump. I can easily see a 10m jump. But even if it doesn't both CK and Trouba can be moved which would clear 13m in space. That should be enough to lock up miller and laf to 8 year deals.

59 million in contracts is the actual number with $0 in buyouts. I also didn't include Nemeth's contract.
If the cap goes up to to 83.5 we'll have 24.5 m for 13 contracts.

 

[NYR Viper]

As an aside, a guy very few people are talking about is Michael Raffl but he’s low-key physical, skates really well and is a good PKer. Oh and he made $1.1m this past season and didn’t put up gaudy numbers so I doubt he sees a huge pay increase.

If the Rangers were to consider building a shut-down, fast, physical 4th line, a Motte-Goodrow-Raffl line would be beyond solid. He’s another winger, I realize, but he’s be a useful piece in this lineup

59 million in contracts is the actual number with $0 in buyouts. I also didn't include Nemeth's contract.
If the cap goes up to to 83.5 we'll have 24.5 m for 13 contracts.

Kreider or Trouba will have to go at that time. That or perhaps someone like Lindgren is traded. There are options.

 

[Synergy27]

Listened to Vince's lengthy podcast today and a few tidbits:

He doesn't think Strome is going to end up here - apparently he shook all the media's guys/girls hands (and was the only person to do so) on the way out - as if he has an inkling that he won't be back.

Suggested Copp might if the numbers work for the Rangers, suggested Trocheck as a ~5M+ option, suggested that the Rangers might just run with Chytil given his elevation in the playoffs.

Said that Drury spoke with Kakko about whatever went on with game 6 before he went back to Finland

Everything else was obvious/stuff that we've thrown about here for months.

In other words, he has no idea what’s going to happen. Quite helpful of him.

Othmann, Berard, Cuylle, Robertson will all be with the NHL team by then presumably. I also think Kakko & Kravtsov will be competing for a long term top 6 spot next year and one will be dealt in the 23 offseason. Miller & Laf will be prioritized and Chytil is a center so he will be more important to retain than the wingers. At least thats how I see it.

This is an interesting thought and probably a correct one. Too many wingers, something has to give, especially with Othmann in the mix. Same situation with Buch.

Hopefully these guys play well and we get a lot of info to support the decision next year.

 

[Zarao71]

Listened to Vince's lengthy podcast today and a few tidbits:

He doesn't think Strome is going to end up here - apparently he shook all the media's guys/girls hands (and was the only person to do so) on the way out - as if he has an inkling that he won't be back.

Suggested Copp might if the numbers work for the Rangers, suggested Trocheck as a ~5M+ option, suggested that the Rangers might just run with Chytil given his elevation in the playoffs.

Said that Drury spoke with Kakko about whatever went on with game 6 before he went back to Finland

Everything else was obvious/stuff that we've thrown about here for months.

Signing Trocheck for 5mil is akin to trading a 1st, 2nd, 5th plus Barron for Trocheck at $0 discount.
Pass

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I will be thoroughly pissed if Drury traded Barron, 1st, 2nd for a couple of months of Copp who almost quite literally plays the exact type of game the team needs at center and who is at a very good age to help this team continue to compete. The Danault contract is the perfect comparable. Copp scores more, Danault is the better defensive center.

In running the numbers on capfriendly it’s an interesting thought experiment to sign both Copp and Motte at $5.125m and $1.85m respectively, trade Nemeth and the team fits reasonably easily. But if you then consider that if they don’t sign Motte, they MAY be able to take a run at someone like Nick Paul who can also play center, it’s an intriguing thought.

Singings
Copp - 6 years at $5.125m
Kaako - 2 years at $2.25m
Paul - 5 years at $2.75m
Raffl - 2 years at $1.2m
Greiss - 2 years at $1m

Trades
Reaves to Montreal for a 3rd
Nemeth to Arizona for a 6th ‘23
Georgiev to Edmonton for a 6th ‘22 + 3rd ‘23
Gauthier to Buffalo for a 5th

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Copp-Kravtsov
Paul-Chytil-Kravtsov
Raffl-Goodrow-Blais
Hunt

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider
Tinordi

Shesty
Greiss

$.233m in cap space

Hopefully this is posturing to get Copp's camp to come down a little. Probably wishful thinking.