Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[CommaSynapse]

What would a guy like Johan Larsson cost? Had a decent season with Washington. For me, it's the RW depth that gets tricky, depending upon where Laf plays, as well as decisions on Motte and Blais. Would Motte and Blais play similar roles?

If you can find someone to take Nemeth and get an $800k 3LD (combination of Braun and Jones?) then you have enough wiggle room. If Kravtsov comes over and Laf stays at 3LW, then the problem could be addressed internally, but it's a tight squeeze.

Seeing Chytil play in the playoffs, he seems to play his best hockey with skill players. I still want him to use his size more, but I just don't know that he'll get that opportunity here if Laf and Kakko are needed to fill out the top-6.

 

[rangers1314]

The legend of 'Mac Truck:' How Ryan McDonagh became the playoff leader in blocks

 

[bleedblue94]

Tell me what functional Center they can afford and who's giving them up?

Having a stacked top6 goes a long way. Our defenders are being overworked and it's showing.

Zibs-Copp-Chytil/Goodrow are our Centers. We need a strong 4th line Centers like Blueger

How are you distributing the minutes between lingren Miller and chychrun? This kind of move is akin to san jose trading for karlsson bc a good player is available (I am not comparing karlsson and chychrun, I at saying this is round peg square hole for this roster. Our defenders are being overworked in large part that it seems like every d zone draw they are stuck defending instead of getting possession on the draw and getting a zone exit. Our defenders are exhausted bc we are constantly chasing the play 5v5 when opponents turn it on

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How are you distributing the minutes between lingren Miller and chychrun? This kind of move is akin to san jose trading for karlsson bc a good player is available (I am not comparing karlsson and chychrun, I at saying this is round peg square hole for this roster

Chychrun plays with Fox at ES.

Lindgren plays bottom pair+PK.

Problem solved.

 

[bleedblue94]

Chychrun plays with Fox at ES.

Lindgren plays bottom pair+PK.

Problem solved.

Lindgren isn't a 3rd pair d, and he and fox are attached at the hip like it or not. Chychrun would also be a poor partner for fox, he looks to get into the offense much more than people here realize. Fox and Lindy work bc Lindy is the guy that's the defensive safety valve for fox so he can do his thing. Chychrun and fox sounds better together than it would be in real life.

 

[duhmetreE]

How are you distributing the minutes between lingren Miller and chychrun? This kind of move is akin to san jose trading for karlsson bc a good player is available (I am not comparing karlsson and chychrun, I at saying this is round peg square hole for this roster

It's one of our better choices. There are no Centers available. The ones that are we will not be able to afford.

We have a plethora of assets that we have no room for. They need to be unloaded in a sense.

Getting Chychrun for less than Nemeth's cap hit. A top2-4, big puck moving, goal scoring defenseman for $2.3M.... It's nothing like Karlsson. It gives us the best top6 in the league. It fixes a major weakness at a modest cost.

Like I've said... what Centers are available for trade and that would make sense? It's going to be Zibs-Copp-Chytil/Goodrow

Our top4 is fine in a vacuum. We see what happens when Fox, Lindgren and Trouba are over worked. We see what happens when one of them goes down. This is fortifying the backend with assets that we dont have room for.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lindgren isn't a 3rd pair d, and he and fox are attached at the hip like it or not. Chychrun would also be a poor partner for fox, he looks to get into the offense much more than people here realize. Fox and Lindy work bc Lindy is the guy that's the defensive safety valve for fox so he can do his thing. Chychrun and fox sounds better together than it would be in real life.

Having Lindgren on the bottom pair sounds like an excellent problem to have. People said the same thing about Toews-Makar and eveyone splooges over them now.

I admire Lindgren's toughness but in a perfect world, he isnt on your top pair.

I can be sold on Miller-Fox and Chychrun-Trouba too.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

If we are trading all our top prospects, I want a young legit future 60-70 point 2nd line center coming back.

 

[haohmaru]

The Rangers don't have the option of going outside the organization to fill their needs. They will fill their needs internally with their young kids getting better.

EXACTLY what I was going to post. Next year, this team isn't getting better because of adding X, Y, or Z - it's going to depend on the maturation of their young players.

 

[bbny]

Lindgren isn't a 3rd pair d, and he and fox are attached at the hip like it or not. Chychrun would also be a poor partner for fox, he looks to get into the offense much more than people here realize. Fox and Lindy work bc Lindy is the guy that's the defensive safety valve for fox so he can do his thing. Chychrun and fox sounds better together than it would be in real life.

People shitting on Lindgren after how valuable he’s shown himself now is insanity.

 

[Chytilmania]

Not sure how the forwards would look but having Fox, JC, KAM and Trouba in the top 4 with Schneider and Lindgren/Braun/Jones in front of Igor would be amazing. With how solid Chytil, Laf and Kakko look I think we can roll with that forward group minus Strome. Krav, Blais, maybe Cuylle or Othmann fill out bottom 6.

 

[Inferno]

People shitting on Lindgren after how valuable he’s shown himself now is insanity.

People not realizing that the reason many of us want to trade him is because of how he's breaking down, how his style lends to more break downs, and what happened to guys his size like Ryan Callahan who played that way for a long time....is insanity.

 

[bbny]

People not realizing that the reason many of us want to trade him is because of how he's breaking down, how his style lends to more break downs, and what happened to guys his size like Ryan Callahan who played that way for a long time....is insanity.

He’s 23. I agree with the sentiment, but there’s several years before it gets to that point.

 

[SA16]

People shitting on Lindgren after how valuable he’s shown himself now is insanity.

He was pretty valuable for Carolina when he scored the GWG for them last game. The Rangers may have won if he didn't come back from his injury after the first period.

 

[bbny]

He was pretty valuable for Carolina when he scored the GWG for them last game. The Rangers may have won if he didn't come back from his injury after the first period.

Short-sighted response

 

[pld459666]

Would you give up Lundkvist, Jones + 1st for Chychrun @ 50%?

In a heart beat

Three more years of that player at 2.3 per?

An argument could be made for the best D group in the NHL

Chychrun - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Lindgren - Schneider

Average age to start the 22-23 season would be (rounded UP) 24 years old.

 

[Vitto79]

With the cap they really can only sign Copp hopefully anyway

Kreider , Zib , Laf
Panarin , Copp , Kakko
Goodrow, Chytil, Blais

Then sign a cheap 4th liner but still have
Hunt, Brodzinski , Reaves, Gauthier under contract

I assume Blais and Gauthier come back cheap

Rooney, Motte, Vatrano and Strome likely cap casualties
Maybe Rooney comes back cheap

Cuylee and Othmaan call ups

 

[duhmetreE]

People shitting on Lindgren after how valuable he’s shown himself now is insanity.

so the only way to say Lindgren doesn't suck is to have a shit 3rd pair? He's being glued together and barely clinging on. Fox and Trouba look overworked. We need 3 pairs.

Kid line is our 3rd line. It's been our best line. Getting caught up in numbers and priority is futile. Ideally our top9 and top6 are performing at high levels... that means we're winning.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't see how wanting to move Lindgren down in the lineup is "shitting" on him.

 

[bleedblue94]

People not realizing that the reason many of us want to trade him is because of how he's breaking down, how his style lends to more break downs, and what happened to guys his size like Ryan Callahan who played that way for a long time....is insanity.

So you want to trade for chychrun? He's certainly been a model of health in his career...

My point is make trades for players that fill needs and are a fit, don't just make trades for a player bc he might be available and that team might take what we are willing to part with even if the player isn't a fit. Chychrun does nothing to address the issues of this team right now, although I can help put laugh thinking back about the people that wanted to trade for chychrun to replace Miller.

 

[RangerBoy]

What are the Rangers trading to Arizona for Chychrun? Arizona wants so much for that player. They want 3 or 4 prime assets for him. What's the fascination with this player? The Rangers have $4.6M for Chychrun?

It's one of our better choices. There are no Centers available. The ones that are we will not be able to afford.

We have a plethora of assets that we have no room for. They need to be unloaded in a sense.

Getting Chychrun for less than Nemeth's cap hit. A top2-4, big puck moving, goal scoring defenseman for $2.3M.... It's nothing like Karlsson. It gives us the best top6 in the league. It fixes a major weakness at a modest cost.

Like I've said... what Centers are available for trade and that would make sense? It's going to be Zibs-Copp-Chytil/Goodrow

Our top4 is fine in a vacuum. We see what happens when Fox, Lindgren and Trouba are over worked. We see what happens when one of them goes down. This is fortifying the backend with assets that we dont have room for.

Where are the Rangers plethora of assets they have no room for? Outside of Lundkvist because the Rangers right side has Fox, Trouba and Schneider. Which assets?

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Short-sighted response

Its the same type of short sighted bullshit you hear all the time from people. Lets trade him to save 3m lol. He is our heart and soul. He is 23yo, and people forget without him playing in the Pittsburgh series we would have LOST. Lindgren is captain material and will be fine till his late 20's. He is the only defenseman who plays playoff style hockey. He may not be a true top pairing dman but he is good enough where fox enjoys leaning on him and he is def a very good middle pairing dman.

 

[duhmetreE]

What are the Rangers trading to Arizona for Chychrun? Arizona wants so much for that player. They want 3 or 4 prime assets for him. What's the fascination with this player? The Rangers have $4.6M for Chychrun?


Where are the Rangers plethora of assets they have no room for? Outside of Lundkvist because the Rangers right side has Fox, Trouba and Schneider. Which assets?

Jones, Lundkvist to start. Too small for my liking in the playoffs. I like Jones but it's been made abundantly clear you need size in the Playoffs. Robertson is there as well.

We have a lot of wingers. One of Kravtsov, Cuylle or Berard? Othmann untouchable. It gets even more crowded if/when we sign Motte. Don't think we sign Vatrano.

The question was @ 50%. Not 4.6

He's big. Can skate. Solid 2way game. Can score. On a horrible team. He has top2 talent. At 2.3M he is an absolute steal.

 

[redwhiteandblue]

This is the first year we’ve had postseason type hockey lol

I said it that way to be inclusive of 'bubble hockey', I mean cmon lol. I don't care what anyone's opinion is on legitimacy of bubble play, it is what it is. It was chips on the line and playing for staying alive, I know that much.

My point is, that even though Art has been putting up points, I'd argue that with what he's shown here again this year it would be worth keeping an open mind. He's been invisible outside of time he's on the ice with 93-20 or that OT goal. I was in the building for Game 7, I said out loud no one could use the GW more than him. He must have been praying that they didn't score on the penalty he took late in the 3rd. I was happy for him beyond belief.

When Columbus won he did the same thing, did you watch those games? I explicitly remember Panarin being useless in Columbus games when the most was on the line and the time was dwindling down. The very last seconds of their one post season, he was still playing incredibly perimeter hockey and not going to dirty areas. I had this opinion when we signed him and I fear it hasn't changed since. He's not a playoff hockey performer. He can't drive a line this time of year.

I love the guy, happy we signed him, so this isn't some reactionary hit job. Points don't always tell the story, he's not been playing up to the salary he's being paid. That's just the brutal reality that separates teams that win from teams that get close in my opinion.

 

[duhmetreE]

Panarin - Copp - Laffy
Kreider - Zibs - Kakko
Othmann/Cuylle - Chytil - Kravtsov - kidline 2.0
Motte - Goodrow - Blais
Hunt/Reaves

KAM Trouba
Chychrun Fox
Lindgren Schneider

why not?

I would like another Center that is strong defensively and faceoffs