Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[NYR Viper]

A lot of stiffs in that group.

That's what you're going to get in terms of leftovers and depth guys. The idea would be to replace guys like Rooney and McKegg and the team can't afford to have a guy making $1.5m sitting in the press box with their cap situation.

 

[bhamill]

I beleive the NYR thinking for next year's center corps is Copp replacing Strome and Rydahl replacing Rooney while we see if Henriksson, Edstrom, Korczak or Rempe turn into something in Hartford.
Zibs Copp Chytil Rydahl down the middle.
Of course Drury COULD package Lundquist or Jones or Robertson with some other assets (maybe even Kravtsov, though I see him on the roster next year) for a young center with lots of upside.

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[Graves94]

Too bad Kreider/Panarin can't play the RW, because I would load up on the first line with Zib/Bread/Kreids next year, with the kids as the second line and go from there. I would try to resign Copp and Motte. Use Copp as a second line C when needed and take key faceoffs. WE also have Blais, Goodrow, Kravtsov, Reaves as bottom six options...

 

[IDvsEGO]

Too bad Kreider/Panarin can't play the RW, because I would load up on the first line with Zib/Bread/Kreids next year, with the kids as the second line and go from there. I would try to resign Copp and Motte. Use Copp as a second line C when needed and take key faceoffs. WE also have Blais, Goodrow, Kravtsov, Reaves as bottom six options...

I think thats exactly what needs to happen. CK needs to be told "you're playing RW, you get all summer to prep for it, but its happening. If you have an issue with it, then let us know and we can do our best to move you, but we don't want that."
With Chytil having the games he's been having, I'm hesitant on signing copp for what is looking at 5-6m.
our kids need to be on the 2nd line and they've earned it at this point. Copp for 5-6m on the 3rd is way too much money.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think thats exactly what needs to happen. CK needs to be told "you're playing RW, you get all summer to prep for it, but its happening. If you have an issue with it, then let us know and we can do our best to move you, but we don't want that."
With Chytil having the games he's been having, I'm hesitant on signing copp for what is looking at 5-6m.
our kids need to be on the 2nd line and they've earned it at this point. Copp for 5-6m on the 3rd is way too much money.

You 100% sign Copp and deal with the 'problem' of having 3 solid centers when it happens.

I could be blatantly wrong, and it's happened numerous times before, but I don't see Copp getting much more than $5.25m per season on a 6 year deal. Again, Danault's contract will be used as a comparable and how many teams across the NHL can and will want to pay him more? The only teams with cap space are basement teams like Buffalo, Detroit and Ottawa.

 

[IDvsEGO]

You 100% sign Copp and deal with the 'problem' of having 3 solid centers when it happens.

I could be blatantly wrong, and it's happened numerous times before, but I don't see Copp getting much more than $5.25m per season on a 6 year deal. Again, Danault's contract will be used as a comparable and how many teams across the NHL can and will want to pay him more? The only teams with cap space are basement teams like Buffalo, Detroit and Ottawa.

Youre right that danault is the comp, but if we sign him for anything close to that we can't extend kk x8 now. And failing to do that might be what puts us back into cap hell and losing a talented player for nothing (not going to lose kakko, but likely someone like chytil or miller).

 

[Fitzy]

Youre right that danault is the comp, but if we sign him for anything close to that we can't extend kk x8 now. And failing to do that might be what puts us back into cap hell and losing a talented player for nothing (not going to lose kakko, but likely someone like chytil or miller).

If we bridge Kakko and he takes off, that's when you look to trade Trouba or Kreider (After two years)

That should allow us to keep Laf and Miller too.

Goodrow may also be gone after year 3 of his contract.

 

[bhamill]

Youre right that danault is the comp, but if we sign him for anything close to that we can't extend kk x8 now. And failing to do that might be what puts us back into cap hell and losing a talented player for nothing (not going to lose kakko, but likely someone like chytil or miller).

If Drury can score a cost controlled young center for a package, then sure, don't sign Copp at more than 5 million per. BUT if not signing Copp results in us needing a center going into the playoffs next year we will be back to people screaming for us to trade assets for rentals which is long term worse than any cap hell we would be up against. If they can get him at 5.25 they should, IMO of course.
Also I don't see Kappo taking a cheap 8 year extension when he HAS to feel he hasn't shown his value yet. Everyone seems to forget that players have to WANT these extensions...

 

[IDvsEGO]

If we bridge Kakko and he takes off, that's when you look to trade Trouba or Kreider (After two years)

And thats what starts the cap hell.
Thats exactly the point I'm making.
Being forced to move CK or Trouba for cap space is alot different in terms of return, than moving them because they don't have a spot in the roster.
Teams look at capfriendly just as much as we do. They know who "needs to be moved"

 

[Fitzy]

And thats what starts the cap hell.
Thats exactly the point I'm making.
Being forced to move CK or Trouba for cap space is alot different in terms of return, than moving them because they don't have a spot in the roster.
Teams look at capfriendly just as much as we do. They know who "needs to be moved"

I'm not convinced that we're going to be forced into a bad trade at a time when you can LTIR a guy for the season for having a headache.

 

[IDvsEGO]

If Drury can score a cost controlled young center for a package, then sure, don't sign Copp at more than 5 million per. BUT if not signing Copp results in us needing a center going into the playoffs next year we will be back to people screaming for us to trade assets for rentals which is long term worse than any cap hell we would be up against. If they can get him at 5.25 they should, IMO of course.
Also I don't see Kappo taking a cheap 8 year extension when he HAS to feel he hasn't shown his value yet. Everyone seems to forget that players have to WANT these extensions...

5m x 8 years. thats a massive jump in raise, and a show of faith by the organization. It aligns heavily with what Jesper Kotkaniemi just got.

 

[SA16]

Giving Kakko 8 years is too risky. I would not do it.

 

[Fitzy]

Giving Kakko 8 years is too risky. I would not do it.

I'd give Miller 8 at a very reasonable number. The young wingers should and will be bridged. If they start to take over, that's when we start moving out veteran players.

This was the two window consensus. Several big contracts become moveable.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Blueprint moving forward:
1) Win Stanley Cup 2022
2) Sign no UFA’s including our
own Summer/Fall 2022
3) Finish dead last 2023
4) Draft Connor Bedard, 2023
5) Win six consecutive Cups
6) Go to the beach

 

[bhamill]

5m x 8 years. thats a massive jump in raise, and a show of faith by the organization. It aligns heavily with what Jesper Kotkaniemi just got.

Sure, but a few things here:
Kakko is better and younger than Kotkaniemi.
You and I can both see that would likely be a GREAT deal for the team, especially as the cap goes way up in a few years.
Kakko's agent can also see that and figure out that he, I mean his CLIENT, can make a lot more money going the bridge route.
Players have to agree to these deals, and they are meant to favor the team, not the player (though of course we are still talking about him making 5 million a year... that's not chicken scratch.) I would LOVE for the team to sign him 5mx8yr, I just don't believe it is an option.

 

[cheech70]

Copp has lost some of his luster these playoffs. Hurt or not ...he is on the cusp of being past his peak...maybe the move is trade for 2/3C who can take faceoffs...we need to make room for Vitaly...so trade our excess for someone 25yrs old vs Copp.

 

[RangerBoy]

I was reading the Kings articles in The Athletic by Lisa Dillman. Alex Turcotte suffered two concussions this season. He suffered his 2nd concussion of the season in the AHL playoffs. She also mentioned the glut of right-handed shooting in the Kings organization and all of them aren't playing for the Kings. Many teams have issues on the right side. The Kings could deal their glut on the right-side for established NHL players or other pieces to fill the Kings pipeline.

Copp has lost some of his luster these playoffs. Hurt or not ...he is on the cusp of being past his peak...maybe the move is trade for 2/3C who can take faceoffs...we need to make room for Vitaly...so trade our excess for someone 25yrs old vs Copp.

Which center are the Rangers adding? What are they trading for the player?

 

[IDvsEGO]

Copp has lost some of his luster these playoffs. Hurt or not ...he is on the cusp of being past his peak...maybe the move is trade for 2/3C who can take faceoffs...we need to make room for Vitaly...so trade our excess for someone 25yrs old vs Copp.

Kratsov Lost the “make room for him”. If he wants to be in the nhl he needs to legit earn his spot. He wins a spot out of camp, great, but the shit he pulled this year was not the way to play in the nhl.

 

[bobbop]

That's what you're going to get in terms of leftovers and depth guys. The idea would be to replace guys like Rooney and McKegg and the team can't afford to have a guy making $1.5m sitting in the press box with their cap situation.

The charm is finding a guy like Rooney was two years ago or for that matter Hunt last year. Under $1MM, player who can contribute. Guys like Sheehan and Bjugstad are pieces of furniture.

 

[NYR Viper]

Youre right that danault is the comp, but if we sign him for anything close to that we can't extend kk x8 now. And failing to do that might be what puts us back into cap hell and losing a talented player for nothing (not going to lose kakko, but likely someone like chytil or miller).

I don't see Kaako's camp willing to take an 8 year deal right now. I could be wrong but I'm doubtful they'd be pleased with 8 years x $4m or so that he would be around. The right move is to give him a 2 year deal and see where it goes. Lafreniere may be the exception to this if he takes off next year but at that point, next off-season, Kreider and Trouba are options to be traded if needed. They will also get another year of viewing for guys like Jones, Miller and Schneider.

 

[SA16]

Copp has lost some of his luster these playoffs. Hurt or not ...he is on the cusp of being past his peak...maybe the move is trade for 2/3C who can take faceoffs...we need to make room for Vitaly...so trade our excess for someone 25yrs old vs Copp.

7 pts in 8 games when he's possibly hurt and he's lost his luster were you expecting Connor McDavid?

 

[Fitzy]

Ryan O'Reilly would be the 'win now' option but they could never afford him without trading someone who would really hurt right away.

St. Louis has a glut of centers.

 

[Raspewtin]

Copp has lost some of his luster these playoffs. Hurt or not ...he is on the cusp of being past his peak...maybe the move is trade for 2/3C who can take faceoffs...we need to make room for Vitaly...so trade our excess for someone 25yrs old vs Copp.

he has 7 points in 8 games and has played all situations on one leg lol, wtf more do you want?

also he's like a career 53.5% on faceoffs, just play him at center, we have actively not done that basically his whole time here for some god forsaken reason

 

[NYR Viper]

he has 7 points in 8 games and has played all situations on one leg lol, wtf more do you want?

also he's like a career 53.5% on faceoffs, just play him at center, we have actively not done that basically his whole time here for some god forsaken reason

I get the sense that his hand or wrist is bothering him. Hence why he isn't taking as many faceoffs.

 

[huerter]

Managing our forwards is very tricky. Panarin needs a certain look on his line. Copp can't be his center. Fil can't be his center. It creates issues.