Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[MrAlmost]

He was pretty valuable for Carolina when he scored the GWG for them last game. The Rangers may have won if he didn't come back from his injury after the first period.

We would have won if we didn't go into the shell in the 3rd period. Not Lindgrens fault.

 

[haohmaru]

We would have won if we didn't go into the shell in the 3rd period. Not Lindgrens fault.

That take (not yours) is so ridiculous that it isn't worth a reply.

 

[duhmetreE]

Theoretically speaking...

Say Auston Matthews does not have intent to sign in Toronto.

What has to be added to Panarin for a blockbuster trade?

 

[RagFinMet]

Theoretically speaking...

Say Auston Matthews does not have intent to sign in Toronto.

What has to be added to Panarin for a blockbuster trade?

Retain some salary plus laf

 

[Guyute]

Retain some salary plus laf

Nope!! We just need a good 2-way center to take some weight off of Mika’s shoulders. Danault was really the perfect guy. I’m not sure why we chose to allocate $$ to Nemeth and one of Strome or Copp rather than simply signing Danault. Huge missed opportunity. I’m not sure when we will be able to get that type of player again. Signing Copp to be 2C doesn’t really seem like a winning solution to me.

 

[bl02]

Theoretically speaking...

Say Auston Matthews does not have intent to sign in Toronto.

What has to be added to Panarin for a blockbuster trade?

Why would the Leafs want another Tavares contract?

 

[bleedblue94]

Why would the Leafs want another Tavares contract?

They wouldn't. Just wishful thinking coming out. If you're trading panarin to the leafs it's in a swap of shit contracts so look at taveras. Neither team wants that.

 

[ponzu4u]

Nope!! We just need a good 2-way center to take some weight off of Mika’s shoulders. Danault was really the perfect guy. I’m not sure why we chose to allocate $$ to Nemeth and one of Strome or Copp rather than simply signing Danault. Huge missed opportunity. I’m not sure when we will be able to get that type of player again. Signing Copp to be 2C doesn’t really seem like a winning solution to me.

The idea that a 6' 200lb player with a concussion history is going to be the physical presence the top 6 has been lacking for years is not exactly confidence-inducing...

 

[Rangerboy030]

Nope!! We just need a good 2-way center to take some weight off of Mika’s shoulders. Danault was really the perfect guy. I’m not sure why we chose to allocate $$ to Nemeth and one of Strome or Copp rather than simply signing Danault. Huge missed opportunity. I’m not sure when we will be able to get that type of player again. Signing Copp to be 2C doesn’t really seem like a winning solution to me.

From what I recall we went after Danault, but he chose to go to LA.

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

Huska was solid against team Canada. Think he could grow in to the back up role next season.

 

[haohmaru]

There will be a market for Georgiev from some team willing to give him a 1B contract.

He'll shutout the Rangers in his first game back at MSG. Book it.

 

[Fitzy]

He'll shutout the Rangers in his first game back at MSG. Book it.

That's the price of progress

 

[Vitto79]

Lundkvist is a very good player. Unfortunately, the Rangers don't have a spot for him on the roster. The Rangers selected Lundkvist in the first round in 2018. Since then, the Rangers have acquired Fox and Trouba in trades in 2019 and selected Schneider in the first round in 2020. Lundkvist for a young LHD or a forward. Lundkvist for a player who can fill a need for the Rangers. The Rangers are facing a cap crunch and it would be nice to have a player on an ELC to help fill the holes. Lundkvist can help a team fill their needs for a RD on his ELC for the next two seasons.

I’m pretty sure 1 more year then Trouba has to go W the cap and then it’s Fox , Schneider, Lundkvist

Huska was solid against team Canada. Think he could grow in to the back up role next season.

He’s gone next year W Garand and Lindbom signed . Wall still around too

Just hope AZ or Buffalo takes Georgiev W Nemeth for free

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Hopefully we can get rid of nemeth and then sign a good solid vet for our bottom pair. Whether that be gudbranson, staal, brendan smith. We need someone there that can throw some guys around. It truly is pathetic that we let smith go who we couldve signed on a 1 year deal for $800K to instead get nemeth for 3X the price and term.

Idk what we do in our top 6 but its clear it needs to be mixed up. Might not be the worst idea to try to sell kreider when his value is at an all time high. Unfortunately he has a NMC.

But this team needs some guys who care. We have like 2 at the moment in laff and lingren

 

[NYBaselRanger]

I don`t get it at all with them who all ready demanding for a Nils Lundkvist trade. We have now 4 good, young right handed defensemen. So why trading him. Who is no. 5 on the right side? Let these young player develope. Maybe it would be good for once to have some patience.

 

[cheech70]

Buck up boys....we have ourselves quite a team filled with studs..starting with KAM the Bam!!! Sign him asap or he will be a 10m plus player pretty soon. Laf is the future captain who will live up to his draft position. K2 is a 1RW who will flourish. My favorite player Filip( baby Jagr) is gonna kick butt very shortly, sign him 6 yrs 4 million asap. And I am not even up to IGOR IGOR IGOR!!!! I am not too sure of Copp but love Motte. Mika needs help with the defensive responsibilities and Goodrow being out has affected 93 BUT who took over game 7 in the 3rd period!!!!!!!! I watched Bread with CBJ when they swept Tampa in 2019 and he drove the net more in the middle of the ice. He needs a center and right wing(WN?) that can make room for him. Moving forward I would like a 4th line veteran ala..Pavloski,Perry, etc...LGR

 

[Vitto79]

I don`t get it at all with them who all ready demanding for a Nils Lundkvist trade. We have now 4 good, young right handed defensemen. So why trading him. Who is no. 5 on the right side? Let these young player develope. Maybe it would be good for once to have some patience.

Agreed it’s not crazy to let him get big AHL minutes

 

[RangerBoy]

I’m pretty sure 1 more year then Trouba has to go W the cap and then it’s Fox , Schneider, Lundkvist



He’s gone next year W Garand and Lindbom signed . Wall still around too

Just hope AZ or Buffalo takes Georgiev W Nemeth for free

Trouba has a no movement clause until 2024.

 

[Vitto79]

Trouba has a no movement clause until 2024.

Well crap that’s 24/25 so 2 more years
Technically that’s ok cause Lundkvist has 2 more years on the entry level

Hope he’s not a medal tosser and bolts to Sweden

 

[RangerBoy]

Well crap that’s 24/25 so 2 more years
Technically that’s ok cause Lundkvist has 2 more years on the entry level

Hope he’s not a medal tosser and bolts to Sweden

His agent is Claude Lemieux. Lias Andersson's agent is Claude Lemieux.

 

[LokiDog]

I don’t care about regular season totals if you can’t play when the games mean something.

Panarin may be hurt but:

No look, soft behind the back area passes at the blueline that lead to rushes against

Forcing full width cross ice passes so you can find your bff Strome that get picked off 80% of the time

Trying to dangle a forechecker at your own blueline and turning over the puck for a prime chance against

Refusing to shoot from between the top of the circles while down 1-0 in the third period


Are not the results of injury but of lazy decision making that hurts the team. Sure, maybe the dangle gets through if he’s healthy, but at the best of times it’s a 50:50 play with a high risk of going the other way. There’s no excuse for him making 10 of these types of plays per night for 9 straight playoff games.

As always, he’ll get his points. He’ll get that big GWG and fan boys will flock to protect him.

Personally - he drove me crazy with the same type of decision making and refusal to shoot or to use linemates not named Ryan all season long and some of last season as well. If he doesn’t want to play big boy hockey when it counts, I am very much in favor of moving him. He has the second highest cap hit in the league - he is NOT a top 5 player in the league - so there’s some definite disparity there. His regular season totals ensure we would get a HUGE return for him. We could potentially find our young cost controlled center, for instance. Definitely add some very nice prospects and assets to the cupboard… while freeing up almost 12M per year, which solves ALL cap complications going forward.

Personally, I’d take a run at Tkachuk. He’s up for a new contract. Move Panarin, take back mostly futures, move what salary you have to and offer sheet Tkachuk with the Panarin money if you have to. Guy puts up 70-80 points in the regular season (not counting this huge year - scoring was up, wouldn’t expect that consistently) but changes the complexion of the team and shows up when it matters.

Probably totally unrealistic, so it’s moot because the Rangers won’t trade Panarin no matter how badly he plays when the team as a whole exceeded expectations, but in reality it’s the type of move this group needs to get away from this no-show, inconsistent effort bullshit. Tkachuk is even more of a pipe dream, but certainly replacing Panarin with a guy who scores 70 points instead of 100 but brings it consistently and doesn’t only play on the perimeter is a winning move, IMO.

There’s just no excuse. Guys on every team are injured. Panarin makes 12M a year. He isn’t allowed to “not like” contact in the playoffs for that money and he shouldn’t be immune to Gallant’s foot being up to the knee in his ass after the types and quantities of turnovers he’s made in crucial one goal playoff games.

 

[SA16]

Tkachuk shows up when it matters? He was getting killed after the first 6 games in the Dallas series when he had a total of 0 goals and 10 shots. Just look things up. It is the same with every top players. They have a bad 5-10, whatever amount, playoff games and suddenly they're "not a playoff performer" What do you know now he's had a good few games since since he's a good player and his poor play in the first 6 games had no bearing on his future performance. The narratives just write themselves. Theres a million threads about Johnny Gaudreau being a playoff choker. He had 19 points in 30 playoff games before this year. Now he has 13 points in 9 games. This stuff does not matter.

You are also highly overrating the ease of trading Panarin. How many teams can take on 12M in salary for just futures so we then have money to spend elsewhere? How many of those teams are contenders that he would actually waive to? I would guess the answer is zero. So now you're looking to just trade him for other lesser pieces that also make money since you have to take salary back or it won't work.

 

[Crease]

Panarin has a full NMC by the way.

 

[LokiDog]

Tkachuk shows up when it matters? He was getting killed after the first 6 games in the Dallas series when he had a total of 0 goals and 10 shots. Just look things up. It is the same with every top players. They have a bad 5-10, whatever amount, playoff games and suddenly they're "not a playoff performer" What do you know now he's had a good few games since since he's a good player and his poor play in the first 6 games had no bearing on his future performance. The narratives just write themselves. Theres a million threads about Johnny Gaudreau being a playoff choker. He had 19 points in 30 playoff games before this year. Now he has 13 points in 9 games. This stuff does not matter.

You are also highly overrating the ease of trading Panarin. How many teams can take on 12M in salary for just futures so we then have money to spend elsewhere? How many of those teams are contenders that he would actually waive to? I would guess the answer is zero. So now you're looking to just trade him for other lesser pieces that also make money since you have to take salary back or it won't work.

Obviously we won’t consider trading Panarin and the teams that could take him on he would block a trade to. I’d still rather not have 12M tied up in him. You saw the scores in the Dallas series right? Oetinger was super human. Tkachuk shows up - as in, he isn’t a flaccid loser who looks like he has ambien in his water bottl / the way our top guys look. He’s a lot to handle. He brings energy every shift. He gets engaged physically every shift. Panarin, to me, is an even less engaged Gaudreau. Gaudreau is at least all around the net. Panarin is allergic to it. But I wouldn’t want Gaudreau either. I don’t want to pay guys who don’t like contact and don’t know how to forecheck, to be our leaders. Panarin at the second highest cap hit in the NHL? I’d repurpose that salary in a number of ways, even if it did mean taking back some salary.

 

[LokiDog]

Panarin has a full NMC by the way.

I know. I still would rather repurpose 12M in cap space. Unfortunately the amount of control he would have over a trade would make it a nightmare, and it’s a moot point since the organization won’t even be considering it.