Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[Atax]

Apples and oranges.

Fox had contract leverage. He could stay in college until his rights expired and became a UFA. He basically told the team he wouldn't play for them and get the most value.

Kravtsov gave the team deuces twice after being sent down to Hartford. The second time was slightly different because Kravtsov had an establish "out" clause to go back to Russia. What stick in people's side was timing of circumstance when Lindgren and Chytil who were both camp standouts got sent down anyways, took their licks and came back better for it while Kravtsov "went home" If Fox did that, that's one thing. But those are two completely different circumstances.

But isn't it his right to return to Russia? Isn't that leverage? Just like it was Fox's right to stay in college. Why are we demonizing someone for a decision about their livelihood? What does it matter if some accepted going to the AHL and others didn't? It doesn't make someone better or worse. It's a business and their life/career. Let them do what they want.

I get what you guys are saying. I just don't want to trade someone because they want to control their lives.

 

[SA16]

But isn't it his right to return to Russia? Isn't that leverage? Just like it was Fox's right to stay in college. Why are we demonizing someone for a decision about their livelihood? What does it matter if some accepted going to the AHL and others didn't? It doesn't make someone better or worse. It's a business and their life/career. Let them do what they want.

I get what you guys are saying. I just don't want to trade someone because they want to control their lives.

Kravtsov signed a contract with the Rangers.

Fox did not sign a contract with CGY/CAR

Having a European Assignment Clause is not an excuse for quitting on the team at the first sign of adversity. Twice.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

But isn't it his right to return to Russia? Isn't that leverage? Just like it was Fox's right to stay in college. Why are we demonizing someone for a decision about their livelihood? What does it matter if some accepted going to the AHL and others didn't? It doesn't make someone better or worse. It's a business and their life/career. Let them do what they want.

I get what you guys are saying. I just don't want to trade someone because they want to control their lives.

Leaving for Russia meant he couldn't come back until after the KHL season. Considering the circumstances he would have been recalled almost immediately and helped our team. Plus everyone wanted him to learn the NA game, there's nothing left for him to conquer back in the KHL besides his own confidence. Again apples and oranges, Fox doesn't get paid to go back to NCAA whereas Kravtsov does get paid significantly more than AHL salary in KHL.

 

[Crease]

I'm far beyond out of patience with Kravtsov's bullshit, to be honest.

I'd much rather we just do what we did with Lias and be done it it.

Lias was easier to flush down the toilet because he’s a soft turd.

 

[duhmetreE]

I’m 100% ok with signing Copp at or around $5M

If he’s signed at 5M, he’s our 2C.

If he’s our 2C, Chytil shouldn’t be our 3C imo.

 

[duhmetreE]

He hasn't been brought up much but he's the absolute perfect fit and he possibly becomes available after next season.

Ryan O'Reilly.

May be a long shot.... but worth investigating... whether in trade ( it would take Panarin waiving his NMC ) or as a UFA ( it would take shedding A LOT of vet salary. )

 

[17futurecap]

Would be cool with this run if a vet chasing their first cup or another cup would come here super cheap, like Perry did in Tampa or Giordano in Toronto now.

 

[Mandar]

Still would love to get Gourde out of Seattle…

 

[Avery16]

What were our other offers for McDonagh?

 

[LoveGoons]

Copp and Strome are not with more than 4 mil a year after their showing in the playoffs..

 

[IronBloodedLion]

I wonder if we trade for Scheifele. He wants out and is on a good deal, we have the pieces, and there’s clearly a relationship between the teams considering we’ve made a couple of trades with them over the last few years.

 

[huerter]

I wonder if we trade for Scheifele. He wants out and is on a good deal, we have the pieces, and there’s clearly a relationship between the teams considering we’ve made a couple of trades with them over the last few years.

Trouba and a 1st for Pionk. They can keep Scheifele.

 

[bleedblue94]

This is not a reactionary post to the last few games or anything like that and I know he has a mnc but IF the opportunity presents itself to move panarin and his contract you gotta do it.

It may be the only way that the kids are allowed to actually take another step into legitimate positions in this roster, his style since the injury is married to perimeter play, he is turning 31, and while he accumulates points now I just don't see this going a good direction over the next 4 years.

I really thought copp would be resigned but his play has badly deteriorated as the playoffs have gone on and other guys have gotten better.

Please do not make a dollar and term commitment to a player to help manage panarin bc he's here. The youth on this team is primed to take another step of ownership of this team, this summer is the time to give them that opportunity and accept some growing pains. Backfill them with a competent 3rd line (vatrano can come back as a 3rw for starters).

Stroke can't go away soon enough.

Everyone here keeps talking about getting Kreider or trouba to waive their nmc clauses but the guy to try on is panarin. It realistically won't happen but I do wonder if Drury will try. Would be very curious to know if Drury was a fan of that signing when it happened.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Something is going to need to be done about the center depth on the team moving forward. Strome is obviously not it. Chytil could be but he can't stay healthy.

The Rangers need to make a trade for a center under 24 that can play in the middle six immediately and not look out of place. I'd look to focus on defensive and faceoff acumen.

If Patrice Bergeron doesn't want to play, please hire him as a consultant and work with these guys on faceoffs.

This core will learn a lot of great lessons from this series. That they need to close out playoff series in less than 7 games and that when you have a team on the ropes, you need to keep the foot down and stomp on their throats and not give them any air.

I'm never going to say never and will believe until the clock hits zero, but the tank looks empty now. 2015 was the same thing. Down 3-1 to Washington, came back and won in 7. They were exhausted facing a Tampa team that was very beatable. This iteration of Tampa's team since Game 3 has looked less beatable than 2015's iteration.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

This is not a reactionary post to the last few games or anything like that and I know he has a mnc but IF the opportunity presents itself to move panarin and his contract you gotta do it.

It may be the only way that the kids are allowed to actually take another step into legitimate positions in this roster, his style since the injury is married to perimeter play, he is turning 31, and while he accumulates points now I just don't see this going a good direction over the next 4 years.

I really thought copp would be resigned but his play has badly deteriorated as the playoffs have gone on and other guys have gotten better.

Please do not make a dollar and term commitment to a player to help manage panarin bc he's here. The youth on this team is primed to take another step of ownership of this team, this summer is the time to give them that opportunity and accept some growing pains. Backfill them with a competent 3rd line (vatrano can come back as a 3rw for starters).

Stroke can't go away soon enough.

Everyone here keeps talking about getting Kreider or trouba to waive their nmc clauses but the guy to try on is panarin. It realistically won't happen but I do wonder if Drury will try. Would be very curious to know if Drury was a fan of that signing when it happened.

Of course the years the Rangers win lottery picks the top picks are wingers, and the #1 they got was a position of strength.

 

[bleedblue94]

Of course the years the Rangers win lottery picks the top picks are wingers, and the #1 they got was a position of strength.

I honestly don't think that's even a consideration in what I wrote. Moreso is the fact you can't really commit 18m aav of the cap on two aging left wingers. Everyone is tweaking about Kreider but I think he's been who he always is in this playoff run. He's been right in line w expectations (this outlier reg season doesn't change those for me).

 

[IronBloodedLion]

I honestly don't think that's even a consideration in what I wrote. Moreso is the fact you can't really commit 18m aav of the cap on two aging left wingers. Everyone is tweaking about Kreider but I think he's been who he always is in this playoff run. He's been right in line w expectations (this outlier reg season doesn't change those for me).

It’s moreso a reference to the fact that the year we finally got the #1 overall it was at a position of strength and that there’s a legitimate argument that it’s partially blocked the development of Lafreniere, because who are you moving out of the Top 6 for him?

 

[bleedblue94]

It’s moreso a reference to the fact that the year we finally got the #1 overall it was at a position of strength and that there’s a legitimate argument that it’s partially blocked the development of Lafreniere, because who are you moving out of the Top 6 for him?

I've have opinions on how to go with this but it doesn't matter. It will all depend what Drury takes out of this run. He showed last summer he isn't afraid to do what he thinks is right so I wouldn't be surprised if there is a big bold move this summer

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Still think they should save the long term cap and fill next years roster with more depth by not re-signing Copp or Strome. Strome has had an abysmal playoffs. Copp had 12pts in 14 games through the first 2 rounds but has disappeared in this series.

That second line has been terrible this entire series. Panarin actually looked solid last night but he did t have linemates to finish.

I posted this a week or so back. Bring Panarin up to the Zib line, promote the kid line to the second line. May be look to sign Stastny for the 3C as he should be pretty cheap and look to trade Reaves. Pushes Goodrow to the 4th line. The lineup I have listed below is $79MM. Also in this scenario Nemeth is dealt.


Kreider - Zib - Panarin
Laff - Chytil - Kakko ($2.5MM)
Blais ($1.5MM) - Goodrow - Kravstov ($1MM
Motte ($1.75MM) - Rooney (or comparable) ($900K) - Reaves
Hunt

Miller - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox
Braun/Jones ($900K) - Schneider
Braun/Jones

Shesh
Vet backup ($1.2MM)

 

[Synergy27]

This is not a reactionary post to the last few games or anything like that and I know he has a mnc but IF the opportunity presents itself to move panarin and his contract you gotta do it.

It may be the only way that the kids are allowed to actually take another step into legitimate positions in this roster, his style since the injury is married to perimeter play, he is turning 31, and while he accumulates points now I just don't see this going a good direction over the next 4 years.

I really thought copp would be resigned but his play has badly deteriorated as the playoffs have gone on and other guys have gotten better.

Please do not make a dollar and term commitment to a player to help manage panarin bc he's here. The youth on this team is primed to take another step of ownership of this team, this summer is the time to give them that opportunity and accept some growing pains. Backfill them with a competent 3rd line (vatrano can come back as a 3rw for starters).

Stroke can't go away soon enough.

Everyone here keeps talking about getting Kreider or trouba to waive their nmc clauses but the guy to try on is panarin. It realistically won't happen but I do wonder if Drury will try. Would be very curious to know if Drury was a fan of that signing when it happened.

Get on the train bro.

 

[Synergy27]

Something is going to need to be done about the center depth on the team moving forward. Strome is obviously not it. Chytil could be but he can't stay healthy.

The Rangers need to make a trade for a center under 24 that can play in the middle six immediately and not look out of place. I'd look to focus on defensive and faceoff acumen.

If Patrice Bergeron doesn't want to play, please hire him as a consultant and work with these guys on faceoffs.

This core will learn a lot of great lessons from this series. That they need to close out playoff series in less than 7 games and that when you have a team on the ropes, you need to keep the foot down and stomp on their throats and not give them any air.

I'm never going to say never and will believe until the clock hits zero, but the tank looks empty now. 2015 was the same thing. Down 3-1 to Washington, came back and won in 7. They were exhausted facing a Tampa team that was very beatable. This iteration of Tampa's team since Game 3 has looked less beatable than 2015's iteration.

I agree with you about the center, but like I always argue with @mas0764 , why does that player have to be under 24? Just get a couple
of responsible, two way players with some speed and jam to play with our abundance of wingers. I don’t care how old they are. They don’t need to have “top 6 upside”, they just need to be cheap and be able to defend while our wingers do their thing.

 

[pld459666]

As far as VK is concerned, you'd kinda have to think that no matter how the series vs. TB turns out that the Rangers "proving" they are a contender has to be a net positive for him returning to play for the organization.

Add in the fact that we need a top 6 RW and relatively cheap talent.

His agent would be stupid not to convince him to play nice.

 

[pld459666]

Check with Chicago about Kirby Dach.

Kravtsov, Nils, Grubbe and a 2nd

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Looking at Tampa's roster, they still have several guys from the 2015 ECF that are playing prominent roles.

If Drury and the Rangers are smart they can make deep runs for the next decade. The kids have been great in this run. That core (with more on the way: Othmann, Cuylle, Robertson, Kravtsov?) is so young, Shesterkin is the oldest at 26, Fox 24, the rest of them are 22 and younger.

The future is bright for the Rangers if they are smart.

This has been a special season. I don't want it to end, but, if it's not our time then it's not our time.

I believe Drury should still be looking to add assets for the future so we can sustain this success for a long time. We have some parts we can move to fill organizational needs. I believe priority number 1A is to get a long-term solution for that 2C spot, I'd be OK with the Rangers paying up for a legit C prospect that's ready for pro hockey to fill that role and just roll with him there.

We don't have our 1st round pick, but, we can trade into the 1st round. There's a number of good centers in this draft that I'd trade into the 1st round for.

The thing that stands out is how well the kids played in these playoffs. Add more players to the system that can keep stepping in and contribute. No big contract veterans.

 

[mas0764]

I agree with you about the center, but like I always argue with @mas0764 , why does that player have to be under 24? Just get a couple
of responsible, two way players with some speed and jam to play with our abundance of wingers. I don’t care how old they are. They don’t need to have “top 6 upside”, they just need to be cheap and be able to defend while our wingers do their thing.

Because the idea of the letter and the rebuild was to construct a long term contender, and if you toss that out the window to accomodate the peaks of a couple thirty year olds that's a bad idea.

You have a long term core of Shesterkin, Fox, Lafreniere, Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, Othmann, Miller, Jones, Robertson, Lundkvist, etc, etc.

You still need a center or two for THAT group. It needs to be similarly aged to grow with them. It only gets harder to find those guys later and you can't count on plucking one out of free agency later as you are going to be cash strapped.

Check with Chicago about Kirby Dach.

Kravtsov, Nils, Grubbe and a 2nd

That's an overpay but I like your thought process.