Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

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LOL.. Trade Panarin.. stop the insanity please. I've been as hard on him as anyone this post season.. you deal him without replacing him with an ace and you watch the offense and depth of this team crumble. The Rangers are also not wasting a top-6 spot on COLIN BLACKWELL. Good Lord. The guy will be out of the league before he's on a cup contenders top-6.

Panarin has had an incredibly mediocre playoff, injured or not - it's the defensive effort for me that's most frustrating. He came to New York with a goal of winning and wanting the spot light. He had his run with Strome where he free-lanced and got all his points.

Priority number 1 this off-season is sitting Panarin down and telling him enough is enough. This team is now a cup contender - pick at least 1 if not 2 of the kids, (Laf, Kakko, Chytil, Krav if he's back or Othmann) and teach them how to be true players in the NHL. At least 1 needs to be stapled to Panarin's side next season the way Strome has been. Another with Zib and Kreider.

Panarin thus far has been a glowing example of what you want when a player of his stature signs with the team. Injury excuse aside - if he wants his name in the rafters and a cup on his resume - it is his job going forward help the kids turn into stars. His free lancing got him this far - it's show time now. Gallant's job to make sure he understands that going forward.
 
I saw Stat Boy Steven posted VK is returning to the NHL.
He is.

Brooks reported in April that the plan was for VK to return to NA mid summer to train ahead of camp.

VK hired a new agent last summer, Dan Milstein. They looked for a trade last fall after Hissy Fit 2.0 and nothing materialized. I think this move to come back to NA early is his agent telling him that he needs to get on the front foot when it comes to showing NYR, and potentially other teams, that he is indeed serious about playing in NA.

If he does still want to be traded, and we've heard nothing to tell us otherwise, perhaps he has been convinced that the best (only?) way to get his wish is to show up to camp and prove that he's worth the price NYR are looking for. Play well and the phone will ring.
 
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Uh, well, because I didn't say it would turn the team into the Dark Ages Rangers, I said that particular move would be Dark Ages thinking, and any team at any time can exhibit bad decision making reminiscent of the Dark Ages Rangers.

Stastny would be different because you aren't gonna have to back up the brinks truck for him.
The entire premise was Bergeron at the same price as Copp. It's not in the same stratosphere as Dark Ages thinking. It's literally the best short-term fit for a cup contending team to try and take the next step.

Incredibly unlikely that Bergeron would take a discount to leave Boston - but few better fits in the league to get you through the short-term cap crunch while remaining in the upper echelon of the league that the Rangers now exist in.

It's very obvious that a long-term solution is needed at Center, possibly multiple - but there is more than one way to skin the cat. They're not necessarily going to find the 22-year old unicorn that fits in perfectly with both windows right away.

There's a better chance that they NEVER find that player - than of them finding one. Bergeron would be the ideal short-term solution - while also giving you more years and chances to find that unicorn.
 
Why do they have to stay together? But yes I would expect to play 3 lines all a lot of minutes.
Yep. All these lines can definitely be switched up. Panarin doesn’t need Strome. Mika and CK are a bit more or a symbiotic thing, but certainly no issue with breaking them up. Defense pairings - at least the cornerstone ones - probably don’t get broken up mid-season. But certainly no problem juggling things in training camp.
 
Don't we actually have to sign Kravtsov? It's been three years since he signed his ELC.
 
Don't we actually have to sign Kravtsov? It's been three years since he signed his ELC.

I don't think thats going to be an issue.

I mean he can refuse to sign I guess, but he isn't going to get anything out of that (He has no leverage and its not like another team can pop in and give him more money sans an offer sheet which I don't think anyone is throwing his way.) He'll also be at the point where he can't be sent down with out waivers so it'll either be NHL with the Rangers or NHL with another team next year, at least to start the season.

Going back to Russia continues to be a really stupid decision on his part. If healthy he'd probably be playing right now and we wouldn't have to watch f***ing Kevin Rooney take a regular shift.
 
I don't know what part of our current top 9 (that has no room) or the fact that everyone u23 plays 11 minutes enticed Kravtsov, but you do you, big man.
I think he knows he’s getting traded. Drury doesn’t like him
 
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Don't we actually have to sign Kravtsov? It's been three years since he signed his ELC.

I don't think thats going to be an issue.

I mean he can refuse to sign I guess, but he isn't going to get anything out of that (He has no leverage and its not like another team can pop in and give him more money sans an offer sheet which I don't think anyone is throwing his way.) He'll also be at the point where he can't be sent down with out waivers so it'll either be NHL with the Rangers or NHL with another team next year, at least to start the season.

Going back to Russia continues to be a really stupid decision on his part. If healthy he'd probably be playing right now and we wouldn't have to watch f***ing Kevin Rooney take a regular shift.
I believe it was agreed upon with the Rangers loaning him to Traktor that the last year of his ELC would toll to next season.
 
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Not to be a debbie downer but these moves by Kravtsov in no way indicate that he will be returning to the NYR.

If he signed a new deal in the KHL no team is trading for him and his NHL dream is over.

I would truly love nothing more than for him to work things out with the NYR but this could easily just be a part of trying to move him for an acceptable return.
 
I don't think we'd get much for him, but I hope Drury at least puts the call in to Seattle to inquire about a 5th for Georgiev's rights after news that Dreidger will be out for 6-7 months after surgery
If there’s a team really hot for AG, sure, trade his rights. Makes sense. Probably get a third, even. But if not, probably just as well not shop him and let him go to UFA unencumbered.
 
I'm not convinced that we are going to be able to build a roster as good as Tampa's was the past two seasons.

For me, it's whether or not we have the best goalie in the world playing as the best goalie in the world that is what has the potential to put us 'above' and win a cup.

We're never going to be able to move Panarin, unless he wants to move. It's a lot of cap tied up in a guy who has been more of a PP specialist this postseason, I agree.

NYR need to think about what kind of players he needs to be with to not get bogged down against good checking at regular strength. I'm on team Panarin-Blackwell-Copp for next season for this reason. Blackwell can play top 6 at even strength, penalty kill, and not soak up a top PP spot. He can play center or wing up and down the lineup. Good teams fin defensive depth by incorporating players that are good compliments, but not line drivers throughout their top 9. Vatrano here this season, Kunitz and Dupuis were guys like that with Crosby for a long time. Christensen with Gaborik, Dubinsky with Jagr. Chemistry and balance matter.

It's just annoying that Panarin ended up the kind of guy who needed a specific type of line built around him like Gaborik.
Well to be fair, they were well over the cap last season in the Playoffs.

We have that roster right now if we do a little tuning IMO. Like I've been saying all season. 2WAY CENTERS. It's a major weakness on this team. Strome-Chytil is arguably the worst in the league, pertaining to '2way play'. That's just no where good enough.

I seriously sound like a broken record, we need our Cirelli. I do not think Blackwell is the answer. That would be terrible IMO. Copp can Center Panarin. I like Laffy on that wing. Laffy's game has taken off. He skates. He's engaged. He forechecks and attacks. He has high IQ/great vision. He can finish. His 2way play/effort has grown.

Panarin Copp Laffy is the line.
 
Well to be fair, they were well over the cap last season in the Playoffs.

We have that roster right now if we do a little tuning IMO. Like I've been saying all season. 2WAY CENTERS. It's a major weakness on this team. Strome-Chytil is arguably the worst in the league, pertaining to '2way play'. That's just no where good enough.

I seriously sound like a broken record, we need our Cirelli. I do not think Blackwell is the answer. That would be terrible IMO. Copp can Center Panarin. I like Laffy on that wing. Laffy's game has taken off. He skates. He's engaged. He forechecks and attacks. He has high IQ/great vision. He can finish. His 2way play/effort has grown.

Panarin Copp Laffy is the line.

Panarin-Copp-Laf would be nuts. Laf is one of the few players on this team who can actually finish too. I could see him score 40+ on Panarins wing.
 
Well to be fair, they were well over the cap last season in the Playoffs.

We have that roster right now if we do a little tuning IMO. Like I've been saying all season. 2WAY CENTERS. It's a major weakness on this team. Strome-Chytil is arguably the worst in the league, pertaining to '2way play'. That's just no where good enough.

I seriously sound like a broken record, we need our Cirelli. I do not think Blackwell is the answer. That would be terrible IMO. Copp can Center Panarin. I like Laffy on that wing. Laffy's game has taken off. He skates. He's engaged. He forechecks and attacks. He has high IQ/great vision. He can finish. His 2way play/effort has grown.

Panarin Copp Laffy is the line.
My broken record for that is to go Get Colton Sissons and not take no for an answer
 
I believe it was agreed upon with the Rangers loaning him to Traktor that the last year of his ELC would toll to next season.
That’s good. Then if we get him and he has one good season we can trade him for a haul if his contract demands are silly
 
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This is what I would do for next season. But before I get to the 5 on 5 lines -- a huge starting point for me when evaluating this team and what it needs up front and where we stand as a team, that is (a) our PP, (b) our defense and (c) Shesty. With those three factors in place next season, we will have a good team that will win games in the NHL. So what more can we do?

Sign Blais to a three-four year deal at like 2.75-3m. Tell him that its his right to take the QO, but be clear that the will the team have to invest in him in the lineup will differ a lot between the scenario where he is about to become a UFA in the near future or the scenario where we know that we can count on him for the coming 3-4 years at least.

Resign Kakko to a long-term 6 year deal.

Resign Motte.

Lineup:
1. Kravy-Ziba-Blais
//Why split Ziba and Kreids? Because Kreider does more good elsewhere in the lineup and Kreider-Ziba won't give us an edge anyway against the best teams. Ziba have "figured" it out, i.e. have understood the level you must break the game down to and just how consistent you must be to consistently score in the NHL. He and Kreider are on the same page there. But to pass that on to the rest of the guys on the team, the best way to do it is just to expose them to these guys. Do you think Kane told Panarin to hit the ice and just have fun in Chicago? Nah, Panarin is the same as Kreids and Ziba, he is the same as Jagr was here with Nyls and Straka. You must do things the right way. Kravy from my POV is a super good fit with Ziba. He got that same long stride that gives him a great top speed streaking down ice. He will be really dangerous on the rush with Ziba. He will forecheck well with Ziba.
2. Panarin-Laf-Hunt //Laf isn't dominating the game with his skating and raw skills, but he is a marvelous talent no doubt. He makes so many hard plays look easy. He is really clutch. He is a competitor. He can pass the puck really well. He can skate with the puck really well. He gets into trouble against good NHL defenders along the board, you want him to have the puck in open ice. Put him at C and match him against the best around us for the coming 10 years. Do you guys see him failing that challenge? I don't. I am the only one in the universe who likes Hunt. Hunt is a late bloomer. He doubled his production at age of 20 in the WHL. He have grown consistently over a longer period. He is really cheap and can surely be locked up cheap for a number of years. Invest in him. He transports the puck really well, he isn't without skill.
3. Kreider-Chytil-Kakko //Kreider sitting next to Chytil and Kakko every shift, bring his experience with Ziba to them. This is a line that I think is different than what Tampa have, but that could be sufficiently hard to play against to create problems for teams like Tampa and Carolina.
4. Reaves-Goodrow-Motte //You need more than 9 good players. Goodrow and Motte are both players that can contribute 365 days a year. We will have injuries, lines will be mixed up.
Rooney
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Shesty


PP1
Kreider-Ziba-Kakko
Fox-Panarin

Bottom line
: Look, I think this team accomplish two things. (1) It is a good team, no doubt. Best goalie in the league. One of the best bluelines. One of the best PPs. Its deep, the 3rd and 4th line are much better than we saw most of last year. (2) Its creates value, value and more value. Laf and Kakko get bigger roles. PP1 is huuuuge for Kakko. Laf getting time with Panarin AND next to a hard working player who will do the dirty work. Kravy is put in an optimal environment to develop. Really, it is hard to find a much better role. Sammy Blais is given a second chance. He is a good player. We only saw that for a brief stint, but he can become a guy like say Killorn in Tampa. Jones is a very talented D and he would do well, at least during the regular season, in the NHL. He and Schneider would definitly get a bromance going like Lindgren and Fox if they got regular time in the NHL.

Is this a Cup winner? You know what, we will play for it, but given how the contracts come in, the cap, where players are in their development, the facts that Fox, Shesty and Ziba's monster contracts all kicking in at the same time on July 1, honestly, I think we must realize that we aren't contending next season (unless kids take huuuge steps super fast and become stars). Use next season to mount a run in 23/24 or 24/25, and beyond.

Look at Schneider's value before and after he got to play in the NHL. Now he is surely very very valuable. Before, he was another pick. Jones would become valuble. Kravy would become valuable. Kakko and Laf would take further steps. All guys underlined above, these guys value go up a lot. What the above line-up gives us is flexibility in the summer of 23' to take care of business with Miller and Laf. It gives Drury tremendous resources to make moves to take the next step, if it must be done.
With you on this, minus Hunt. Hopefully one of the prospects takes a huge step in camp to fill that spot.

Call me crazy, but If Strome is out, I’m moving Copp to the middle and signing/inserting Kravtsov on RW with that line for Game 4. He’s the best option. Othmann is the next best option.
Crazy like a Fox. 🦊
 
He is.

Brooks reported in April that the plan was for VK to return to NA mid summer to train ahead of camp.

VK hired a new agent last summer, Dan Milstein. They looked for a trade last fall after Hissy Fit 2.0 and nothing materialized. I think this move to come back to NA early is his agent telling him that he needs to get on the front foot when it comes to showing NYR, and potentially other teams, that he is indeed serious about playing in NA.

If he does still want to be traded, and we've heard nothing to tell us otherwise, perhaps he has been convinced that the best (only?) way to get his wish is to show up to camp and prove that he's worth the price NYR are looking for. Play well and the phone will ring.

The Rangers showing the NHL they are ready for primetime makes me think reconciliation with VK is possible. NYR could use a player with his skill set in the middle 6 and they will be gunning for a Cup next year and beyond. Good for all parties to let bygones be bygones
 
Not to be a debbie downer but these moves by Kravtsov in no way indicate that he will be returning to the NYR.

If he signed a new deal in the KHL no team is trading for him and his NHL dream is over.

I would truly love nothing more than for him to work things out with the NYR but this could easily just be a part of trying to move him for an acceptable return.
I too would love to see him sign something reasonable with the Rangers, yet,

If he would agree to sign with whoever was trading for him, like the trade was contingent on that signing, then sure I could see the Rangers getting something decent for him.

But, If his plan is to not sign anything, see if the Rangers will pay well beyond his qualifier, or see if some other team will via an offer sheet, or go back to the KHL if none of that happens, Rangers are not going to get much, if anything by trading his RFA rights.
 
I don't think thats going to be an issue.

I mean he can refuse to sign I guess, but he isn't going to get anything out of that (He has no leverage and its not like another team can pop in and give him more money sans an offer sheet which I don't think anyone is throwing his way.) He'll also be at the point where he can't be sent down with out waivers so it'll either be NHL with the Rangers or NHL with another team next year, at least to start the season.

Going back to Russia continues to be a really stupid decision on his part. If healthy he'd probably be playing right now and we wouldn't have to watch f***ing Kevin Rooney take a regular shift.

At the same time, I think this situation also illustrates how you only can develop a certain number of kids on a roster at the same time. We are all worried by the lack of usage Kakko and Laf gets, and Kravy (would probably) come in behind them.

It was covered in that the Athletic article on Gallant how players love that he gives them freedom while also being demanding in the right areas. But a part of that is definitely that Gallant is careful about having the right player in the right spot. Like its not hard to get Hunt or Rooney to play Hunt or Rooney hockey if you get what I mean.
 
And this right here is part of my issue with the outlook of the team bc the moves most people are advocating for this offseason aren't really with a broad view of what is better for this team and organization, it is how to best compliment panarin and manage some of his deficiencies and play to his strengths. I dont think it is wise to make a long term commitment for big dollars for a player to help manage our soon to be 31 year old winger who has a 11.6m aav as his game is starting to change and he will start to decline. You dont compound the problem that will be this contract by signing another big contract to manage this one. Panarin put up points but anyone can see his game has altered this year and in these playoffs, and not for the better.

I appauld your thinking of a lower impact signing to manage this. People keep talkign about how long term the solution is for kreider to be our 3lw, but I think it may be more realistic to see panarin in that role with a deep lineup where he lives on the pp as he ages and we are managing this contract. I know others wont agree, but panarin and zib do not work 5v5, zib and kreider do, and panarin has had no success with chytil ever and now chytil laf and kakko are starting to show that they MIGHT be able to grow into our 2 line as early as next year.

some of the thinking around here needs to shift from how to we build an effective 2nd line around panarin to how do we manage a 3rd unit with panarin whilst elevating this kid unit into a 2 line role
I agree, the idea of making a Panarin line is not something I think the Rangers should do. It's just not effective come playoff time.

Either Panarin or Kreider need to drop down, or more to RW if Laf is ever going to get constitent top 6 playing time 5on5, or 1st PP time.
 
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