Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[egelband]

These players can fit under the cap, in whatever combination works in terms of lines.

Center
Zibanejad
Copp
Chytil
Goodrow

LW
Kreider
Panarin
Lafreniere
Motte
Hunt

RW
Kaako
Kravtsvo
Blais
Reaves

Left defense
Miller
Lindgren
Jones
Vet d for $1m or less

Right defense
Fox
Trouba
Schneider

Goalie
Shesty
Vet backup for $1m or less

This fits under the cap and is probably the best lineup the team could ice next year assuming everyone is healthy.

One thing I have been thinking about is that Lindgren is clearly playing injured. It’s entirely possible he needs some form of surgery once the season is completed and misses the next 4-6 months. In that case, the team will be in the market for another LD more than likely unless Fox, Trouba or Schneider rotate over and Lundkvist gets another opportunity at the NHL level.

This is an excellent roster. I'd be very happy to run this team out day in day out.

 

[tlk]

Krav has rejected a contract offer from Traktor the club's director had told the media

 

[bleedblue94]

Trouba, Panarin, Kreider all chose to sign 7+ year deals with the Rangers. Clearly the tax rate is not a big deal for them or they would not have done so. The players hate on escrow but many of them don’t even understand what it is. Just like at Jonathan Toews comments in the past. He complains about it and simultaneously shows he doesn’t have a clue what it is at the same time.

I would counter by pointing that guy may have okayed the aav knowing the tax implications where they signed. So their agents negotiated a higher aav here compared to another location with a lesser tax rate. But with that being said, if you could go to a player like panarin and show him if he accepted a trade to say the Panthers and suddenly he would net X millions of more dollars on the life of his contract due to lack of state income tax MAYBE that gets him interested in waiving. I'm not suggesting it's a slam dunk. I'm just saying that may be the only way to convince someone to go. In trouba's case his may come down to the timeline for his wife to be advancing her career and a possible location they both would be okay with like Detroit. Who knows. It's a bit of a pipedream scenario either way.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Came here to ask what you guys think Kakko's next contract will be like? Seems like he could be potential offer sheet target, if you bring Strome back there is not much cap space?


The thing is that the season was shortened, he missed the same exact time that Pastrnak did after his hip surgery.

Strome isnt coming back.

 

[Machinehead]

Came here to ask what you guys think Kakko's next contract will be like? Seems like he could be potential offer sheet target, if you bring Strome back there is not much cap space?


The thing is that the season was shortened, he missed the same exact time that Pastrnak did after his hip surgery.

There's not much cap space if we don't bring Strome back.

I don't think anybody will offer sheet Kakko. Glen Sather is still involved in the organization and will tell everyone's mom.

I've said it from the beginning, the kids get bridge deals and then the Rangers either hope the cap rises or cheat. Trouba gets a flesh eating virus or whatever the f***, like Hossa's "allergy" or all of a sudden Price can never play again and has to "retire."

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Krav has rejected a contract offer from Traktor the club's director had told the media

Paging @EdJovanovski

 

[Machinehead]

I don't know what part of our current top 9 (that has no room) or the fact that everyone u23 plays 11 minutes enticed Kravtsov, but you do you, big man.

 

[SA16]

Paging @EdJovanovski

So he's bailing on another team?

 

[mas0764]

I firmly believe you bridge kakko, laf, and Miller to get you to the window where the cap starts to rise again and then you sign everyone to their long term contracts. Bridge deals have been the sather way for most of his tenure and sather is certainly in advisement w Drury. You can't give everyone the fox treatment and get them a big second contract. Right now bridge deals would allow everyone more flexibility. The one player I would consider a long term deal to depending what the cost would be in Miller bc if his offense comes in unlike what most people expected than we have a potential hedman lite on our hands. Lock his ass up. Laf and kakko are expected to be big offensive contributors down the road, they won't sign long term deals at discounts that don't account for offensive projects and I personally am not prepared to invest in expectations that kakko will be an offensive star. I also think laffy would benefit from a bridge b. It puts him into the window of the NHL cap going up as well so he can make more money.

You are gonna have to bridge some people but the more long term deals you can get to players to who end up outperforming them, the better off you are, and so that should be the goal even at the expense of maybe bringing back an older veteran.

So he's bailing on another team?

He’s coming back to NY baby!!!

 

[QJL]

Call me crazy, but If Strome is out, I’m moving Copp to the middle and signing/inserting Kravtsov on RW with that line for Game 4. He’s the best option. Othmann is the next best option.

 

[LoveGoons]

Chytil has more upside than Copp. Copp is a finished product, and he's in the middle between a 2c (with panarin pushing him there) and 3c.

Chytil with the way he's playing, has a low 1c upside right now (with laf/kk pulling him up there).
Chytil needs to work on his draws and being a little more physical in the defensive zone, but if he does both, he's a low 1c.

Chytil is never a low 1c.. respectfully.. he is a tease like Kovy..

 

[mas0764]

Edge hasn't been here in months, and when he was just stated generic things like a kid bragging he knows more than everyone else. Who cares what he had to say? None of the guys who have a NMC are likely to waive. There's zero incentive for them to do so. All of them either chose to come here, wanted to come here, or are long term rangers. The team is in the ECF and they all have key roles. If you cannot give a good reason of why they would waive then there is no reason to even discuss it. That they will "feel bad" if the team explores deal from them is not a valid reason. You think they care about the tax rate? If they did they wouldn't have chosen to sign here in the first place.

The team telling a player they are exploring moving them because they need to get out from their salary is absolutely a valid reason, as is the reason that their role will be reduced as they transition to younger, cheaper options.

Guarantee, no. Valid possibility worth discussing, yes.

And the info was not generic, it was that the Rangers will discuss moving on from high priced veterans earlier than people think. Discuss doing it, not that they will definitely do it.

Hence it's a worthwhile discussion here too.

 

[mas0764]

I wanna do this in this thread because I don't want to be construed as "oh we're bitching about the game today." I just think it's a worthwhile discussion to have for the long-term.

So we want to get the Kid Line more time going forward. Here's three options we can consider.

A) Just f***ing break them up

This is the way I'm leaning. I think their skillets lend themselves to the roster the best with this option. And like, they're not getting divorced. You could put them together in a game or a series if you think the situation calls for it. Versatility is good.

B) Make them the second line

And then run Kreider-Zibanejad-Panarin. @will1066 suggested this. I like the idea of Panarin being the one to move to the right. He's a freelancer anyway. I'm not overly concerned about his "position."

I don't know how well this combo works in terms of their all-round play, but consider this: he played on a line with Patrick Kane. That combination is so stupid, I'm convinced they ripped a hole in the universe and caused the Cubs to finally win a World Series. Kane still put up 106 points and the Hawks were a 1 seed. Like, it's not the end of the world if Panarin's line just rips ass defensively and scores 400 goals.

C) Make KZX and the Kid Line your top six.

Run Kreider-Zibanejad-Anybody Decent and the Kid Line. And then, I'm gonna say this part quiet so nobody hits me...

Just f***ing put Panarin on the third line.

I'm not trying to shit on Panarin but like, it fits his quirks. He can play with who he wants to play with, he can do what he wants, it'll be his line, he can play 2 minutes every powerplay, he can stay fresher and healthier, and if that top six is as good as it can be, it'll be impossible to match up with.

It is now, we're just not playing the kids enough to take full advantage of it.

That's what's great about Panarin. "The Panarin Line" doesn't need anyone else on it. Take advantage of it.

Again, I don't want this to seem overly critical. I think Panarin is just sort of like a basketball star. A lot of big names in the NBA, where the court is so small and lineups don't go in shifts, need the offense designed around them where everyone else plays a role. Panarin needs a line designed around him. I just think the lineup is deeper if that's your third line.

To expand on your Point C, I will counter with a Point D:

Just put Kreider on a third line. He can still have all the PP minutes.

Panarin - Zibanejad - Fast-like veteran
Kid line
Kreider-anchored third line

People freak out about this but it makes sense.

Here's a really novel and simple idea....stop thinking about lines as a tier system.

Well, and that plays into options C/option D.

It's not a demotion to put Panarin or Kreider on the "third line." We should have three balanced scoring lines getting more equal minutes, it's harder for opponents to match up and shut them all down that way.

Yet we had to hear all year about how it's not fair to Kreider and his 50 goal pace to play him on the third line, that it has to be Lafreniere there, because seniority, and ... uh.... his 50 goal pace... and.... reasons.

Meanwhile our lines actually suck.

 

[mas0764]

Robertson is definitely the odd man out out of those 3. Lindgren is not going anywhere, especially after how valuable he is in the playoffs.

It's beyond guaranteed that at least one of either Lindgren or Trouba won't be here long term.

 

[Sabresbyswords104]

Hi.
A question to rangers fans:

Are IGOR SHESTERKIN better then henrik lundqvist was as a goalie in new york ? Is igors level Today better then king Henrik played when he was a ranger ?

 

[mas0764]

Also Lindgren is 23yo. Not sure why everyone thinks he will be broken by 26yo. Girardi didnt break down till around 30.

It's not so much that he'll be broken down by 26, but rather it's not really an appealing idea to have to hand THAT TYPE of player a 6-7 year deal at age 26.

If we weren't so cap strapped, it would have been better to get Lindgren for 6 years instead of 3 years, at more like $5m instead of $3m. Then you have him till 29 and you can safely let him walk.

But we don't invest in smart contracts that save us money, we are constantly chasing financial cap solvency, and thus we will always be scrambling. You need to make one big sacrifice at some point to get yourselves ahead of the cap squeeze Trouba

 

[Machinehead]

To expand on your Point C, I will counter with a Point D:

Just put Kreider on a third line. He can still have all the PP minutes.

Panarin - Zibanejad - Fast-like veteran
Kid line
Kreider-anchored third line

People freak out about this but it makes sense.



To expand on your Point C, I will counter with a Point D:

Just put Kreider on a third line. He can still have all the PP minutes.

Panarin - Zibanejad - Fast-like veteran
Kid line
Kreider-anchored third line

People freak out about this but it makes sense.


Well, and that plays into options C/option D.

It's not a demotion to put Panarin or Kreider on the "third line." We should have three balanced scoring lines getting more equal minutes, it's harder for opponents to match up and shut them all down that way.

My only issue with this is that Kreider is still insane at even strength.

Like yeah, he did he did half his scoring on the PP but he drives play like crazy. I'd like to see him with some prime offensive talent to get something out of that.

As has been touched upon, I'm not that crazy about line hierarchy as long as the coach adapts his usage to having three solid lines which Gallant absolutely f***ing does not.

 

[mas0764]

I would counter by pointing that guy may have okayed the aav knowing the tax implications where they signed. So their agents negotiated a higher aav here compared to another location with a lesser tax rate. But with that being said, if you could go to a player like panarin and show him if he accepted a trade to say the Panthers and suddenly he would net X millions of more dollars on the life of his contract due to lack of state income tax MAYBE that gets him interested in waiving. I'm not suggesting it's a slam dunk. I'm just saying that may be the only way to convince someone to go. In trouba's case his may come down to the timeline for his wife to be advancing her career and a possible location they both would be okay with like Detroit. Who knows. It's a bit of a pipedream scenario either way.

It's speculative but it's not a pipedream.

Unforeseen scenarios pop out of nowhere in sports all the time. Because teams have unconventional conversations, most of which go nowhere, but it's worth discussing.

 

[Blue Blooded]

My only issue with this is that Kreider is still insane at even strength.

Like yeah, he did he did half his scoring on the PP but he drives play like crazy. I'd like to see him with some prime offensive talent to get something out of that.

As has been touched upon, I'm not that crazy about line hierarchy as long as the coach adapts his usage to having three solid lines which Gallant absolutely f***ing does not.

And that Panarin and Zibanejad are like oil and water 5v5. It's been tried so many times with terrible results.

 

[NYR Viper]

What would Lindgren want on a long-ish term deal anyways? His contract is up at the ripe old age of 25 years old. He had 18 points this season playing over 20 minutes a game.

We are probably looking at a number in the $4's on a 6 year deal. That's not a terrible contract to take him to 31 and when the cap increases, it's pretty easy to move one like that on the back-end of that deal.

 

[Taluss]

Paging @EdJovanovski

So could he technically play in the playoffs?

 

[Fitzy]

What would Lindgren want on a long-ish term deal anyways? His contract is up at the ripe old age of 25 years old. He had 18 points this season playing over 20 minutes a game.

We are probably looking at a number in the $4's on a 6 year deal. That's not a terrible contract to take him to 31 and when the cap increases, it's pretty easy to move one like that on the back-end of that deal.

I believe Lindgren will be 26, it was his final season of RFA eligibility.

I also believe the 3 year bridge was intended to give NYR options at that point depending on context.

In 2008 we gave Griardi a 2 year bridge that took him to 26.

Then we signed him for 4 years at around 3.3 million to take him past 30.

It wasn't really that extension- but the next one from 30-35, that hurt us.

The answer for Lindgren will depend on our D depth, cap situation, and injury situation.

I wouldn't rule out a 4x5 type of contract, but I also wouldn't rule out a trade, especially if Miller has progressed further.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

It's beyond guaranteed that at least one of either Lindgren or Trouba won't be here long term.

One is not like the other. One makes 3m per year the other makes 8m. Lindgren would be a terrible choice to offload in order to create minimal cap space. He is 23yo.

 

[haohmaru]

That the Rangers will explore moving on from Trouba and/or Kreider before their NMCs change.

Hence, while not necessarily probable, definitely possible, sooner rather than later.

Later, it’s damn near inevitable.

Yeah, but that's something that anyone can say and be right. Teams are always exploring options and avenues. I don't see this as being "inside" at all, just obvious.

 

[mas0764]

Yeah, but that's something that anyone can say and be right. Teams are always exploring options and avenues. I don't see this as being "inside" at all, just obvious.

Well you can believe in his sources or not, but he said he was passing along info he knew was being discussed.