Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[Chalfdiggity3]

It's not so much that he'll be broken down by 26, but rather it's not really an appealing idea to have to hand THAT TYPE of player a 6-7 year deal at age 26.

If we weren't so cap strapped, it would have been better to get Lindgren for 6 years instead of 3 years, at more like $5m instead of $3m. Then you have him till 29 and you can safely let him walk.

But we don't invest in smart contracts that save us money, we are constantly chasing financial cap solvency, and thus we will always be scrambling. You need to make one big sacrifice at some point to get yourselves ahead of the cap squeeze Trouba

We wouldnt be handing out a massive deal to lindgren. Not sure why you think we would offer 6-7-8 year deals to lindgren. We can still give him another 4 year deal at 4m per for his next deal and take him to 30yo. Then not resign him if he is breaking down. Its pretty easy. He makes 3m per now, he is mainly defense and raises come from offensive production in the NHL. So a 1m per raise is pretty much the norm.

Lindgren isnt that big sacrifice, again he make 3m per year. Thats basically nementh but Lindgren is a very capable top 4 defenseman. You dont sacrifice players like that. You move on from Trouba or other actual big money contracts.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I think Blais has a better chance of dressing than Kravstov.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think Blais has a better chance of dressing than Kravstov.

100%.

Kravtsov isn't even with the team.

 

[Fitzy]

One is not like the other. One makes 3m per year the other makes 8m. Lindgren would be a terrible choice to offload in order to create minimal cap space. He is 23yo.

Trouba also does much more than Lindgren does.

Trouba is a 1B playing on the 2nd pairing.

While I agree that moving him moves a lot more cap, he also has much larger shoes to fill.

Moving on from Lindgren if we do it in 2024 will be about cost-to-benefit and how they think Ryan will age.

We wouldnt be handing out a massive deal to lindgren. Not sure why you think we would offer 6-7-8 year deals to lindgren. We can still give him another 4 year deal at 4m per for his next deal and take him to 30yo. Then not resign him if he is breaking down. Its pretty easy. He makes 3m per now, he is mainly defense and raises come from offensive production in the NHL. So a 1m per raise is pretty much the norm.

Lindgren isnt that big sacrifice, again he make 3m per year. Thats basically nementh but Lindgren is a very capable top 4 defenseman. You dont sacrifice players like that. You move on from Trouba or other actual big money contracts.

4x4 would be fine, taking him to 30. Like Girardi, it's that third contract we should be avoiding.

But NYR have to keep an eye on the LTIR situations. Gotta feel that loophole is gonna get cut down on soon the way retirement contracts were.

 

[Raspewtin]

with Trouba we have a very ideal setup of having two number one defensemen (I said what I said) and a top pairing D on the second pair. That's a massive advantage. And if Schneider improves defensively and continues to develop we're in an amazing spot defensively as soon as next year.

 

[mas0764]

100%.

Kravtsov isn't even with the team.

Next year though.

with Trouba we have a very ideal setup of having two number one defensemen (I said what I said) and a top pairing D on the second pair. That's a massive advantage. And if Schneider improves defensively and continues to develop we're in an amazing spot defensively as soon as next year.

The two number one defensemen are Miller and Fox, not Trouba.

 

[Fitzy]

with Trouba we have a very ideal setup of having two number one defensemen (I said what I said) and a top pairing D on the second pair. That's a massive advantage. And if Schneider improves defensively and continues to develop we're in an amazing spot defensively as soon as next year.

You aren't wrong. He's our McDonagh.

But at some point, again, I think summer 2024 is the night of the long knives for the veteran core, some guys will be casualties.

This year, then two more playoff runs after that.

Summer 2024 Kreider is 33, Zibby 31, Panarin 32. Goodrow 31, Trouba 30. That's not a super old core but it's very much an aging one.

Young group is Fox at 26, Miller at 24, Kakko at 23, Laf at 22, Shesty at 28.

It's also worth noting that in summer 0f 2024 Shesty will be one season away from a UFA contract that could run from 8 million to 11 depending on how insane he continues to be.

We will know a lot more about our new crop of younglings at that point, as well as how players have aged.

 

[mas0764]

You aren't wrong. He's our McDonagh.

But Trouba isn't nearly as good as McDonagh.

 

[huerter]

To expand on your Point C, I will counter with a Point D:

Just put Kreider on a third line. He can still have all the PP minutes.

Panarin - Zibanejad - Fast-like veteran
Kid line
Kreider-anchored third line

People freak out about this but it makes sense.



Well, and that plays into options C/option D.

It's not a demotion to put Panarin or Kreider on the "third line." We should have three balanced scoring lines getting more equal minutes, it's harder for opponents to match up and shut them all down that way.

Yet we had to hear all year about how it's not fair to Kreider and his 50 goal pace to play him on the third line, that it has to be Lafreniere there, because seniority, and ... uh.... his 50 goal pace... and.... reasons.

Meanwhile our lines actually suck.

Be my guest and put Kreider on the "third line" as long as you also put Mika on the "third line" and then play the S ton out of them.

 

[mas0764]

Be my guest and put Kreider on the "third line" as long as you also put Mika on the "third line" and then play the S ton out of them.

Why do they have to stay together? But yes I would expect to play 3 lines all a lot of minutes.

 

[huerter]

Why do they have to stay together? But yes I would expect to play 3 lines all a lot of minutes.

Because when you have synergy in your roster, harness it.

 

[NYR Viper]

I will just keep reposting this roster is not only does it make sense for next season, but it fits under the cap...

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Copp-Kaako/Kravtsov
Goodrow-Chytil-Kaako/Kravtsov
Motte-________-Blais
Hunt

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider
Braun

Shesty
Vet back-up for $1m

This requires the following to be traded:
Nemeth
Georgiev
Gauthier
Hajek
Reaves

It's POSSIBLE for the team to retain Reaves and demote/trade Hunt as well but it would require some haircuts on the cap hits for some of the RFA's/UFA's.

 

[mas0764]

Because when you have synergy in your roster, harness it.

Well the idea is that despite the synergy the results may be better across the board by splitting them.

 

[Fitzy]

But Trouba isn't nearly as good as McDonagh.

On balance, he isn't in the same tier, sure.

But 2 years from now, we may have the better guy. Ryan is a lot older. McDonagh always reminded me of Bouwmeester who had a decently long effective career so we will see. Jbo was still in the top 4 until he hit 34 years old but wasn't seen as a "1st pairing guy" at that age for sure.

Also, Trouba provides a lot of things our defense would sorely miss with McDonagh instead. He's got more offense in him at this stage in their respective careers, adds a big hit element, and has been an excellent mentor for Miller. K'Andre has taken great strides and I believe Trouba has helped there. Every young defenseman we've had except Lindgren has played much better with Trouba- even Hajek.

 

[huerter]

Well the idea is that despite the synergy the results may be better across the board by splitting them.

That makes no sense. Synergy is the ingredient that optimizes the whole.

 

[mas0764]

That makes no sense. Synergy is the ingredient that optimizes the whole.

That's not necessarily true in the context of 1 particular line though.

If the top line has amazing synergy as is giving you +100 goals a year, but the other two lines are giving you -20 goals a year, and then you mix up the lines and break up the "Synergy" but the result is that the top line gives you +60 goals a year and then the other two lines are giving you +20 goals, you have increased more than you've lost.

It's not just about Kreider and Zibanejad.

And the fact is that line is just ok, it's not like it's a Cup winning line. Breaking up their "synergy," isn't nearly as invaluable as you'd think. The synergy on the kid line is way better right now.

I'm not saying they have to break up but it shouldn't be a mandate that they stay together either.

 

[Raspewtin]

Next year though.



The two number one defensemen are Miller and Fox, not Trouba.

yes, that was my intention

 

[EdJovanovski]

Paging @EdJovanovski

The Chosen One is coming!

 

[WojtekWolski86]

Call me crazy, but If Strome is out, I’m moving Copp to the middle and signing/inserting Kravtsov on RW with that line for Game 4. He’s the best option. Othmann is the next best option.

I'd do this just so ESPN's mind is blown.

In reality Brooks already said they have no intention of playing Othmann and I highly doubt Kravtsov walks in from the streets. This is not the time of year or the stakes to f*** with the chemistry or MOJO in the room. If Panarin, Mika or Kreider were hurt it's a different story.

 

[CLW]

That makes no sense. Synergy is the ingredient that optimizes the whole.

The only line that has Synergy across the line is the Kid line. But they barely see the ice.

Zib and Kreider have great chemistry, yet the third guy is a third wheel. Panarin's line is currently the Primadonna Bread line, with Panarin and two others.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Who will be the cheap Vatrano/Motte types available next year? Can we look into trading Lundkvist for a Hagel type?

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

The Chosen One is coming!

Not soon enough. Bring him here Tuesday. Can we pull Igor and just add him to the kid line? It'll only be for 9 minutes per game, but we may score 5 times.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Not soon enough. Bring him here Tuesday. Can we pull Igor and just add him to the kid line? It'll only be for 9 minutes per game, but we may score 5 times.

We legitimately may score every shift he's on the ice, Muhammad Ali of hockey.

 

[SA16]

Hagel has 11 points in 36 games as a Bolt. I guess thinking he'd be a 25-30 point player in that role was in fact not out of line.

 

[archanfelnsx]

I will just keep reposting this roster is not only does it make sense for next season, but it fits under the cap...

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Copp-Kaako/Kravtsov
Goodrow-Chytil-Kaako/Kravtsov
Motte-________-Blais
Hunt

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider
Braun

Shesty
Vet back-up for $1m

This requires the following to be traded:
Nemeth
Georgiev
Gauthier
Hajek
Reaves

It's POSSIBLE for the team to retain Reaves and demote/trade Hunt as well but it would require some haircuts on the cap hits for some of the RFA's/UFA's.

Georgiev is an RFA, if he cannot be traded you let him walk as a UFA. Nemeth might be a bit tricky to trade but he can go to a team like Arizona who needs players and needs to get to the cap floor. Gauthier can be your 13th forward, Hajek needs to just be put on waivers if he cannot be traded. Reaves won't be sent down, as long as Gallant is here he will find a spot for Reaves. Hunt is nothing special, he can go on waivers and go down to the AHL if needed. The team will be tight against the cap and might only be able to carry one extra player instead of the normal 2 or 3. Kravtsov being on the team can solve some depth issues on RW for sure.