Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[NYR Viper]

Vlasic used to be a top-2 D but he's really gone down hill. Is he even serviceable to justify a contract slot?

I think, like Braun, he’d be a good bottom-pairing option on a short term deal. He doesn’t skate that well anymore but the reason he gets so much hate is his contract.

 

[Good Intentions]

That’s the thing… other teams usually have obvious options and solutions. We are crazy strapped with NMCs. There is a 0% Trouba agrees to a trade next offseason. He’s on a true competitor, in the city he wanted to be in, and is wife is building a medical career in New York. He is unmovable until 2024 summer.

You’re not wrong at all, but this repetition about Trouba’s wife is one of the more bizarre anchors I’ve ever heard. The world does not revolve around his wife.

 

[bhamill]

You’re not wrong at all, but this repetition about Trouba’s wife is one of the more bizarre anchors I’ve ever heard. The world does not revolve around his wife.

Well for Trouba it may, and since it’s up to HIM whether he waives…

 

[Vitto79]

I think, like Braun, he’d be a good bottom-pairing option on a short term deal. He doesn’t skate that well anymore but the reason he gets so much hate is his contract.

I’d think Braun wants to be RD consistently no ?
He’s also likely to get 2 million short term so too much for NYR. Just play Jones

 

[bhamill]

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[Fitzy]

I’d think Braun wants to be RD consistently no ?
He’s also likely to get 2 million short term so too much for NYR. Just play Jones

Well again, what happens if Lindgren goes down to injury for a lengthy period

 

[GAGLine]

I’d think Braun wants to be RD consistently no ?
He’s also likely to get 2 million short term so too much for NYR. Just play Jones

Braun is 35 and coming off a 2 year deal that paid him 1.8 mil per year. In what world is he getting a raise? Unless he's looking to go home to Minnesota, I'm sure he'd be happy to sign a short term, lower AAV deal with the Rangers to be the 6th/7th dman.

 

[Vitto79]

Well again, what happens if Lindgren goes down to injury for a lengthy period

I don’t think they worry about that till the deadline

Just play kids. Hajek likely gone but they can find a cheap vet 7th as a ufa no problem

 

[Circus86]

Been beating this drum but I would say a majority, if not vast majority, of posters can’t get over POINTS. I get that he paced for 100 points in the regular season, but that’s a great reason to move on, in my opinion. Teams that don’t watch Panarin intently night in and out will see the opportunity to add a 90+ point winger to their roster. It’s a good opportunity for us to shed cap, add a solid younger top six guy with upside and a couple of quality prospects, gain massive flexibility for the future and get out of the Panarin contract before it becomes ugly.

The regular season production this year was a fugazi. This is a retread of my previous posts but his first year pacing for 100 points here, he was 1st in the league in even strength production and had the best 5v5 goal differential in the league. Anyone watching could tell he was a tenacious puck hound who didn’t hesitate to drive the net or shoot just as often as make a dazzling pass. This year, while pacing for 100 points, he was 18th in even strength production - his first finish outside of the top 10 ever, but also a continued drop from last season, when he was 10th for the first time ever - and 56th in the NHL in 5v5 goal differential which is a huge drop in impact from his first season. He also picked up 38% of his points on the PP.

That is not the trajectory of someone I want 11.6M committed to on a team that will need to retain its young core and keep this window open. People will say it’s one year, but even last year, before the Wilson incident, his 5v5 goal differential had dropped to 51st from 1st and it was his lowest ever finish in 5v5 production until this year. He’s trending in the wrong direction and, as you said, at 31 he isn’t going to suddenly start attacking the center of the ice again when he’s as secure as can be with his contract.

The way I see it is this - let’s pretend we just came off the season we had but Panarin didn’t exist and we had an extra 12M in cap space (I know we wouldn’t have had the exact same season and Panarin’s money wouldn’t just be sitting there, bare with me). Would you guys want to go out and sign Gaudreau for 11M? I wouldn’t. I’d much rather add a 7M guy who will put up 20 less points and keep that cap space for other upgrades. Same concept with bread. I’d rather trade him for a 6M guy and prospects, or some such, and make other upgrades to this team. Flip Panarin, go out and sign PLD as a UFA next year. Whatever. LW is Kreider, Lafreniere, Otthman… Bread isn’t going to play the game we need to win a Cup and we won’t ever afford a real 2C while giving him 12M.

I agree with everything you said 100%. I know he won't get traded (he wouldn't even waive), but I'm pretty convinced with the return we would get + created cap space we would be a better team.

Also, we have 3 top 6 LW. Kreider and Laf is enough.

Panarin would be the best way to upgrade our center position and give us cap flexibility to give our young guys (laf, Miller) 8 year deals and not that bridge crap + require the depth a team needs to win the cup.

 

[rangers1314]

Braun is 35 and coming off a 2 year deal that paid him 1.8 mil per year. In what world is he getting a raise? Unless he's looking to go home to Minnesota, I'm sure he'd be happy to sign a short term, lower AAV deal with the Rangers to be the 6th/7th dman.

Maybe, but is he willing to play his offside?

Braun did a good job here. He can still play. I think he would have been a perfect caddy for Jones. He might look for a 2 year deal on the open market, and NYR can't go there.

 

[GAGLine]

Maybe, but is he willing to play his offside?

Braun did a good job here. He can still play. I think he would have been a perfect caddy for Jones. He might look for a 2 year deal on the open market, and NYR can't go there.

I don't see why he wouldn't be. He did it for most of the playoffs.

The Rangers can afford a 2 year deal if the AAV is 1 mil. If he wants more than that, the Rangers will probably look elsewhere.

 

[MrAlmost]

Been beating this drum but I would say a majority, if not vast majority, of posters can’t get over POINTS. I get that he paced for 100 points in the regular season, but that’s a great reason to move on, in my opinion. Teams that don’t watch Panarin intently night in and out will see the opportunity to add a 90+ point winger to their roster. It’s a good opportunity for us to shed cap, add a solid younger top six guy with upside and a couple of quality prospects, gain massive flexibility for the future and get out of the Panarin contract before it becomes ugly.

The regular season production this year was a fugazi. This is a retread of my previous posts but his first year pacing for 100 points here, he was 1st in the league in even strength production and had the best 5v5 goal differential in the league. Anyone watching could tell he was a tenacious puck hound who didn’t hesitate to drive the net or shoot just as often as make a dazzling pass. This year, while pacing for 100 points, he was 18th in even strength production - his first finish outside of the top 10 ever, but also a continued drop from last season, when he was 10th for the first time ever - and 56th in the NHL in 5v5 goal differential which is a huge drop in impact from his first season. He also picked up 38% of his points on the PP.

That is not the trajectory of someone I want 11.6M committed to on a team that will need to retain its young core and keep this window open. People will say it’s one year, but even last year, before the Wilson incident, his 5v5 goal differential had dropped to 51st from 1st and it was his lowest ever finish in 5v5 production until this year. He’s trending in the wrong direction and, as you said, at 31 he isn’t going to suddenly start attacking the center of the ice again when he’s as secure as can be with his contract.

The way I see it is this - let’s pretend we just came off the season we had but Panarin didn’t exist and we had an extra 12M in cap space (I know we wouldn’t have had the exact same season and Panarin’s money wouldn’t just be sitting there, bare with me). Would you guys want to go out and sign Gaudreau for 11M? I wouldn’t. I’d much rather add a 7M guy who will put up 20 less points and keep that cap space for other upgrades. Same concept with bread. I’d rather trade him for a 6M guy and prospects, or some such, and make other upgrades to this team. Flip Panarin, go out and sign PLD as a UFA next year. Whatever. LW is Kreider, Lafreniere, Otthman… Bread isn’t going to play the game we need to win a Cup and we won’t ever afford a real 2C while giving him 12M.

I am with you, but he has to be given another season and playoffs. If he is moved, it is next offseason. Also, I use the money to resign our guys and give Ryan O'Reilly a call. That is, if he goes to FA.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Kravtsov sighting
oh & Buch

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

What's the most likely way we get Nemeth off the cap?

 

[bbny]

Been beating this drum but I would say a majority, if not vast majority, of posters can’t get over POINTS. I get that he paced for 100 points in the regular season, but that’s a great reason to move on, in my opinion. Teams that don’t watch Panarin intently night in and out will see the opportunity to add a 90+ point winger to their roster. It’s a good opportunity for us to shed cap, add a solid younger top six guy with upside and a couple of quality prospects, gain massive flexibility for the future and get out of the Panarin contract before it becomes ugly.

The regular season production this year was a fugazi. This is a retread of my previous posts but his first year pacing for 100 points here, he was 1st in the league in even strength production and had the best 5v5 goal differential in the league. Anyone watching could tell he was a tenacious puck hound who didn’t hesitate to drive the net or shoot just as often as make a dazzling pass. This year, while pacing for 100 points, he was 18th in even strength production - his first finish outside of the top 10 ever, but also a continued drop from last season, when he was 10th for the first time ever - and 56th in the NHL in 5v5 goal differential which is a huge drop in impact from his first season. He also picked up 38% of his points on the PP.

That is not the trajectory of someone I want 11.6M committed to on a team that will need to retain its young core and keep this window open. People will say it’s one year, but even last year, before the Wilson incident, his 5v5 goal differential had dropped to 51st from 1st and it was his lowest ever finish in 5v5 production until this year. He’s trending in the wrong direction and, as you said, at 31 he isn’t going to suddenly start attacking the center of the ice again when he’s as secure as can be with his contract.

The way I see it is this - let’s pretend we just came off the season we had but Panarin didn’t exist and we had an extra 12M in cap space (I know we wouldn’t have had the exact same season and Panarin’s money wouldn’t just be sitting there, bare with me). Would you guys want to go out and sign Gaudreau for 11M? I wouldn’t. I’d much rather add a 7M guy who will put up 20 less points and keep that cap space for other upgrades. Same concept with bread. I’d rather trade him for a 6M guy and prospects, or some such, and make other upgrades to this team. Flip Panarin, go out and sign PLD as a UFA next year. Whatever. LW is Kreider, Lafreniere, Otthman… Bread isn’t going to play the game we need to win a Cup and we won’t ever afford a real 2C while giving him 12M.

First I’ll say this is a fine point of view. It makes sense. I wouldn’t go along with it at this time because I believe Panarin deserves more support from the fan base to rebound next season, after what he has brought to the team since choosing to come here, but the reconfiguration of cap by trading him does make sense.

So I’ll go along and say let’s assume the Rangers actually did (or should) want to trade him. There’s really only one scenario I can legitimately see Panarin potentially waiving the NMC, and that’s for a combination of going to another big city/market AND to follow Strome if the friendship runs that deep on and off the ice. It has to make sense for him. Who has the assets and cap space to trade for Panarin and sign Strome? Vancouver? Chicago? Any?

 

[redwhiteandblue]

Add a pick to him in exchange for a mid-late pick.

Feels like the perfect guy to flip to Arizona or Ottawa to help get to the cap floor. Shouldn't be an issue getting rid of Nemeth.

 

[rangers1314]

Add a pick to him in exchange for a mid-late pick.

Feels like the perfect guy to flip to Arizona or Ottawa to help get to the cap floor. Shouldn't be an issue getting rid of Nemeth.

Nemeth has an 8 team no trade. I'm 100% confident in saying Arizona is on it. 99% confidence that Ottawa is on it.

It won't be easy. It'll cost an asset.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Seems like Boston is determined to give young players a shot next year but I think Studnika would be a great option for us if they're willing to move him.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Nemeth has an 8 team no trade. I'm 100% confident in saying Arizona is on it. 99% confidence that Ottawa is on it.

It won't be easy. It'll cost an asset.

8 team typically means canadian teams + arizona or buffalo.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Seems like Boston is determined to give young players a shot next year but I think Studnika would be a great option for us if they're willing to move him.

This is hilarious. He was drafted the same year as Chytil. He has played 37 nhl games, and scored a total of 7 points, over 3 seasons.
This group was arguing to trade chytil last year, when he was putting up 20+ points in 42 games.

Studnika could not break into an injured boston lineup last year. He couldnt hold down a spot.
Why are we giving him a chance on our lineup when he doesn't appear to be an actual upgrade to anything we have.

Also Studnika is a young player. We talk about guys drafted in 17 like they're ancient but they're 23 years old.

 

[NYR Viper]

The Rangers shouldn’t fear term if the cap hit is low. The team has the ability to pay the right guys to fill roles if it helps to lower the cap hit.

 

[Vitto79]

I’d likely sign Jones as the backup if cheap and hope Allaire can fix him

What's the most likely way we get Nemeth off the cap?

I doubt he’s bought out as it only saves like 500 k when you factor in a replacement like Jones contract

He likely stays honestly

If some team wants him he’s gone for an AHL body or a 6/7…. It’s feasible. 2.5 x2 isn’t horrific to a team

 

[IDvsEGO]

The Rangers shouldn’t fear term if the cap hit is low. The team has the ability to pay the right guys to fill roles if it helps to lower the cap hit.

It depends on who and what position.
The team doesn't have a ton of flexibility considering the amount of kids who need new contracts the next 2 years.
Giving term to a guy like nemeth is what made everyone upset. His cap hit last year was fine, but the 3 years and the nmc kept the hit down.

Giving term to a kid is absolutely fine.
Giving term to a guy like motte, might force us to lose a kid.

Giving copp an 8 year deal would be terrible.

 

[bbny]

The Rangers shouldn’t fear term if the cap hit is low. The team has the ability to pay the right guys to fill roles if it helps to lower the cap hit.

Vatrano 8 years x $2M

 

[IDvsEGO]

Vatrano 8 years x $2M

so he's taking a paycut?