Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[McRanger92]

Listen I think Panarin had a shit playoffs too but this idea that he's some kind of luxury and not a huge part of the team is just delusion.

Unless some dumbass team gives us a better player or a slightly worse center version of him you need to hope he has a better year. Think it's okay to get nervous if the same shit continues but subtracting offensive talent is 10000000000% not the answer for this team.

Panarin needs to be much better in the playoffs, regardless of who his linemates are, and Drury has every right to be displeased with his play (most of us are too), but they need him. Without Panarin's 90+ points, the Rangers will need to scratch and claw for offense in the regular season, which wears the team down. We just need him to get with the program.

 

[McRanger92]

Things I did not expect to see today: Ryan Strome looking likely to return. Please for the love of f*** let this not be true.

The yo yo affair with Drury continues.

The article said "likelier than Copp to return" not that Strome is likely to be back, to be fair. Also mentioned that Drury/NYR prefer Copp.

My opinion, cut bait with Strome either way. He doesnt defend or win faceoffs, which is what we desperately need at C. If Copp/Trocheck are too expensive, just go with Chytil as 2C. Get a 3C on a short term deal who can carry out the defensive responsibilities.

 

[zlev]

Panarin isn't going anywhere and he shouldn't be. People forget how important the power play was in the playoffs and all regular season long and it was mostly because of him. Yes his 5v5 play was not good in the playoffs (he was a lot better towards the end of the ECF though) but that entire line, including him, was nursing injuries.

 

[McRanger92]

We Need to acquire a Young, cost controlled 3C plus likely another vet (buyout?) UFA C for depth. Maybe Another depth winger, a good vet #6/#7 LD. Plus a backup goalie. At the TDL add a piece or Two after evaluation. This is not the hardest task for an NHL GM to acquire. Not. Rocket. Science.

Drury needs to find a way to turn Lundkvist into this. I think its easier said then done because teams dont usually trade cost controlled centers, especially in a flat cap world.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Starting to feel like Stastny might be the right answer in terms of a free agent

If hes a cheap bottom 6 center yes...if you are expecting anything more then no.

 

[Synergy27]

Strome plays with tenacity, is a vocal leader, decent speed and good playmaking vision.

Ryan Strome? The guy that’s been on the Rangers the last few years? He does that stuff? Really?

 

[Synergy27]

If there's a chemistry there, and the team is successful, why screw up what's working?

The Rangers are in no position to make big moves, and why should they?

I guess that depends on your definition of “working”. Yes, it’s easy to be satisfied with the unexpected success this team had this year. It’s way harder to see how not making any changes gets the team over the hump.

They don’t need to make big moves. They need to make small, subtle moves to address what should be glaringly obvious deficiencies. For me, those deficiencies start and end with that second line in its entirety.

Installing a good 5v5, responsible center on that line will have trickle down effects throughout the lineup. Also, getting Strome off of the PP will open up a spot for one of the young guns to gain confidence that should theoretically translated to even strength as well. And I refuse to believe that removing Strome from that PP seriously degrades it’s performance. He was a hardcore passenger on that PP too.

We need to move on from this player for many reasons. Keeping Panarin happy doesn’t outweigh these reasons, and frankly, if Panarin is unhappy, he can go as well.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

People truly have lost their minds if you think Panarin is not going to be a Ranger next year, what a way to take a huge leap back in a critical year. I'm still predicting a resigned Strome and Motte, no Copp, no Braun, no Vatrano. Kravtsov moves up with Panarin and Strome, Lafreniere moves to the top line. Blais Chytil Kakko, Motte Goodrow Reaves.

 

[Savant]

If hes a cheap bottom 6 center yes...if you are expecting anything more then no.

Cheap bottom six for me. Don’t think the solution for top six C is coming this summer

 

[Zats Muccarello]

People truly have lost their minds if you think Panarin is not going to be a Ranger next year, what a way to take a huge leap back in a critical year. I'm still predicting a resigned Strome and Motte, no Copp, no Braun, no Vatrano. Kravtsov moves up with Panarin and Strome, Lafreniere moves to the top line. Blais Chytil Kakko, Motte Goodrow Reaves.

This seems like the most likely path forward tbh

 

[Chytilmania]

I still like going after Kupari, Turcotte or Vilardi for 3C, if we are elevating Chytil to 2C. Big gamble but saves us around $5M.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

The only guy I absolutely want resigned is Tyler Motte. He brings too much to the bottom 6 and we can't afford to lose that. He's a better version of Barclay Goodrow in every facet of the game; dude has legitimate talent.

Secondary to that I want Copp back over Strome. He's an all around better player and is probably asking for a similar contract.

Where that gets messy is with the "ground level" stuff we don't see. I'm talking about how much Strome was liked in the locker room, the fact that he wears an A, how much Panarin does/doesn't want him back, etc.

On the ice though the choice is simple, Copp > Strome and it's really not close

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

The only guy I absolutely want resigned is Tyler Motte. He brings too much to the bottom 6 and we can't afford to lose that. He's a better version of Barclay Goodrow in every facet of the game; dude has legitimate talent.

Secondary to that I want Copp back over Strome. He's an all around better player and is probably asking for a similar contract.

Where that gets messy is with the "ground level" stuff we don't see. I'm talking about how much Strome was liked in the locker room, the fact that he wears an A, how much Panarin does/doesn't want him back, etc.

On the ice though the choice is simple, Copp > Strome and it's really not close

If neither Copp and Strome, then someone like Trocheck could be an option as another FA. Gallant has said to like him.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

If neither Copp and Strome, then someone like Trocheck could be an option as another FA. Gallant has said to like him.

Would very much be down with Trocheck.

Here's a name I haven't heard thrown around a lot: thoughts on Nick Paul at C?

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Would very much be down with Trocheck.

Here's a name I haven't heard thrown around a lot: thoughts on Nick Paul at C?

Nick Paul as a 4th line center? Sure. Not sure he's really a top 9 center. Besides, have Goodrow.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Nic Roy is the guy to target as a cheap, mid risk high reward C.

Not the LA guys who all have pretty massive warts. We don't really match up with LA in terms of a trade anyway. They don't really need a RHD as they have several who are on the way who profile better than Nils.

 

[Avery16]

Things I did not expect to see today: Ryan Strome looking likely to return. Please for the love of f*** let this not be true.

The yo yo affair with Drury continues.

He feels entitled to more bad moves now after being named a finalist for the Gregory award.

 

[Ola]

The Rangers have been talking to Strome about a new contract for a while. Strome didn't settle for less last fall and he will settle for less right before free agency starts? Last week, Staple wrote the Rangers were trying to hold the line on NMC/NTC clauses. I heard his podcast last week. He said Strome on a 3 year deal for $4.5M. Strome's agents aren't taking that deal.

You never know with NHL GMs, but honestly, hasnt Strome’s production been horrible given that he played with Panarin and one of the top PPs in the league? 54 pts in the regular season and 9 in 19 in the POs. How many would Milan Lucic or Loui Eriksson or James Neal score on that PP and playing with Panarin 5 on 5? More than 40 pts isn’t a stretch.

Meanwhile, almost all centers that aren’t really fast are struggling. Calgary are trying to dump Monahan, Winnipeg is listening to PLD and Schleife, guys like Ryan Johansen in Nashville is getting less than nothing done. Everyone can tell that you must have that speed at center ice.

It’s seems uber likely that whomever gives Strome a long term deal and expect a 2C production from him playing with average 2nd line wingers will soon end up being disappointed in not getting more from him on the 3rd or 4th line.

So does that mean nobody will give him 6m on a long term deal?? I never expect much from NHL GMs, but it still feels like that there got to be some kind of limit.

 

[Fitzy]

Strome would be a panic move. Trying to not get worse instead of getting better.

And I say this as one of the more positive minded posters about the guy. He brings everything we have already and nothing that we are short on. He was great between Kakko and Laf for a short time but you know he's always gonna play with Panarin.

 

[huerter]

Reilly Smith is off the table. Transformative excellence is out the window. Of course we're in an initial panic mode.

 

[Off Sides]

Rather see them make a minor trade for, say example, Derek Ryan and play him for a year. At least he'd be determined to be the "shut down" vet center and it may allow for Chytil to be viewed as an offensive center. Which is what Chytil will be if he is gonna be anything, he's not a defensive center but I do beleive he could be an offensive guy (in terms of taking the puck up ice into the other team zone, and shooting it)

 

[RGY]

If you’re going to advocate for something, advocate with a complete solution.

Math and logic does not equate to anxiety.

If its not anxiety, its certainly something you got going on if you have these high expectations of fans of a sports team posting on a message board to provide you with appropriate math down to the cent for the cap situation in 2023-2024. Go outside and get some fresh air.

 

[huerter]

Rather see them make a minor trade for, say example, Derek Ryan and play him for a year. At least he'd be determined to be the "shut down" vet center and it may allow for Chytil to be viewed as an offensive center. Which is what Chytil will be if he is gonna be anything, he's not a defensive center but I do beleive he could be an offensive guy (in terms of taking the puck up ice into the other team zone, and shooting it)

He can take the puck up the ice into the other team's zone and shoot it BUT NOT BOTH at the same time. It's the royal road revolution.

 

[AirGut]

Is Jack Drury in the realm of possibility? Why the hell did we draft Lindbom instead of Chris's nephew?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Is Jack Drury in the realm of possibility? Why the hell did we draft Lindbom instead of Chris's nephew?

Because Clark is an idiot.