Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[IDvsEGO]

I think it's plausible that Panarin likes Strome and the Rangers don't want to piss Panarin off.

I mean, Panarin is signed for 4 more year with a full no movement, at over 11M cap hit.

I sort of get trying to keep him happy.


Yet on the other hand I think that is going to turn out being detrimental towards them ever being good enough as a team 5on5 to beat the best of the best in the playoffs.

Rock/Hard place thing.

I mean he's got 4 more years at 11m. He's never not been a professional. He earned his bag.
I would hate for drury to roll over for panarin. It would be worse than letting Eichel be GM of buffalo, at least Eichel was on a team that was a perenial bottom feeder. We just made the ECF.
Drury is current up for GM of the year, his moves during the season were great.

 

[RangersFan1994]

PLD has quit on two teams now. Not interested in him or giving up those assets for a guy who is a quitter.

But i agree, miller is a rental. You dont empty the cupboard for that. And thats what the asking price is from Van.

Kravtsov quit on Hartford, remember that.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Kravtsov quit on Hartford, remember that.

twice

 

[Savant]

We Need to acquire a Young, cost controlled 3C plus likely another vet (buyout?) UFA C for depth. Maybe Another depth winger, a good vet #6/#7 LD. Plus a backup goalie. At the TDL add a piece or Two after evaluation. This is not the hardest task for an NHL GM to acquire. Not. Rocket. Science.

Who is this available young cost controlled center ?

I think it's plausible that Panarin likes Strome and the Rangers don't want to piss Panarin off.

I mean, Panarin is signed for 4 more year with a full no movement, at over 11M cap hit.

I sort of get trying to keep him happy.


Yet on the other hand I think that is going to turn out being detrimental towards them ever being good enough as a team 5on5 to beat the best of the best in the playoffs.

Rock/Hard place thing.

A trade of Panarin to Chicago for Pat Kane actually solves a lot of problems. Just saying. But y’all ain’t ready for that conversation

But yeah. Panarin and Strome are BFF, everyone knows this.

 

[CLW]

Considering Panarin is a top 10 NHL Talent and Kreider is not, it's not that surprising that he would be unhappy with the all-world talent looking like shit for most of the playoffs.


If Miller costs any two of the names mentioned above and all we get is ONE playoff run out of him, HARD PASS

That's the question really. Hard to see Drury being interested in JT Miller for only one year, didn't make much sense even before the trade deadline. If they go for him imo it's with the view of having him as long as Panarin is here at least. How they'd make that work I don't know, but the interest seemed very real.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Who is this available young cost controlled center ?


A trade of Panarin to Chicago for Pat Kane actually solves a lot of problems. Just saying. But y’all ain’t ready for that conversation

But yeah. Panarin and Strome are BFF, everyone knows this.

No A panarin for Dach + picks would solve problems.

 

[rangers1314]

Who is this available young cost controlled center ?


A trade of Panarin to Chicago for Pat Kane actually solves a lot of problems. Just saying. But y’all ain’t ready for that conversation

But yeah. Panarin and Strome are BFF, everyone knows this.

Why is Panarin waiving his NTC to go to Chicago? Why is Chicago looking to acquire 30 y/o wingers making 11M a year for Kane?

 

[Savant]

No A panarin for Dach + picks would solve problems.

Dach sucks.

 

[Raspewtin]

man if you guys thought Panarin played mediocre two-way hockey this past playoffs just wait till you see what 2022 Kane looks like lmao

 

[Savant]

Why is Panarin waiving his NTC to go to Chicago? Why is Chicago looking to acquire 30 y/o wingers making 11M a year for Kane?

Because Chicago loves reacquiring their guys and they are not trying to rebuild.

man if you guys thought Panarin played mediocre two-way hockey this past playoffs just wait till you see what 2022 Kane looks like lmao

Only have to commit to a yeah of him, And then his salary of off the books and you can get a real center instead of nickel and dining for one this off-season or making a horrible mistake re-signing Copp and/or Strome

 

[rangers1314]

Because Chicago loves reacquiring their guys and they are not trying to rebuild.

Stan Bowman isn't there anymore.

Also, they aren't? They've put a 24 year old 40 goal scorer on the market rather than pay to sign him. I can't think of a bigger signal of a rebuild.

 

[Thirty One]

Why is Panarin waiving his NTC to go to Chicago? Why is Chicago looking to acquire 30 y/o wingers making 11M a year for Kane?

I think Panarin loves Chicago, doesn't he?

 

[Off Sides]

I mean he's got 4 more years at 11m. He's never not been a professional. He earned his bag.
I would hate for drury to roll over for panarin. It would be worse than letting Eichel be GM of buffalo, at least Eichel was on a team that was a perenial bottom feeder. We just made the ECF.
Drury is current up for GM of the year, his moves during the season were great.

I agree Drury did well to get the Rangers to a level where they were playoff caliber, and they found ways to beat two pretty good teams and still even look pretty good against a 3rd. They certainly bested my expectations.

 

[Savant]

Stan Bowman isn't there anymore.

Also, they aren't? They've put a 24 year old 40 goal scorer on the market rather than pay to sign him. I can't think of a bigger signal of a rebuild.

Wirtz is still there though. They are putting DeBrincat on the block because paying wingers is dumb, which the Rangers have learned the hard way. Blackhawks have shown blinders when it comes to “their guys” before. It’s not my first choice either but kind of makes sense.

I think Panarin loves Chicago, doesn't he?

He does. His NMC shrinks the pool of available candidates and his contract shrinks it further. Chicago can make up for that ridiculous trade they made with Columbus and they would worship him back there.

 

[rangers1314]

Wirtz is still there though. They are putting DeBrincat on the block because paying wingers is dumb, which the Rangers have learned the hard way. Blackhawks have shown blinders when it comes to “their guys” before. It’s not my first choice either but kind of makes sense.

Even if your argument is RE: Wertz, its Danny now. Not Rocky.

It makes no sense. If Kane decides he wants to be moved, it'll be for futures. Panarin isn't going anywhere. Focus on reality.

 

[Chaels Arms]

I feel like Vatrano really enjoyed his time here and he is someone who I could see taking a pay cut to stay here. Wouldn't shock me to see him sign a 2x2.5 or something like that to stay here. Not even sure there is room for him here but having a guy like him who can beat goalies clean from distance on your 3rd line is never a bad thing.

Tough though because with Othmann, Cuylle, Berard coming and Lafreniere, Kravtsov, Kakko all already on the NHL roster - I'm not sure there is a room for him. Who knows what will happen with the roster building though.

I could absolutely see Vatrano taking a pay cut to stay here. Why? This is the only team in the NHL where he can sign a contract and basically be guaranteed a top six role with elite players. If Vatrano is on this team he is going to be with Mika and Kreider for all 82 games + the playoffs even if Kakko or Lafreniere score 100 points in the first ten games of the season AND learn how to shoot lightning bolts at the other team from their arses.

It's one of the same reasons Strome is dying to sign here. He signs with the Rangers and he's guaranteed PP1 and top six ice time on a contending team forever all while playing with his best friend and there's virtually nothing he can do that will result in him losing those privileges. There are no other teams in the NHL in which Vatrano and Strome walk into situations as golden as that.

Copp, on the other hand, is a legitimately good player who can probably work his way into the top six on a good percentage of teams across the league. I wasn't at all surprised to see Copp be the player to say, essentially, "I liked playing here a lot but I'm also keeping all my options open" after the exit interviews.

 

[Savant]

Even if your argument is RE: Wertz, its Danny now. Not Rocky.

It makes no sense. If Kane decides he wants to be moved, it'll be for futures. Panarin isn't going anywhere. Focus on reality.

I mean if we are going to focus on reality, I think Chicago’s front office/ownership has shown itself to be…not the most progressive. They aren’t rebuilding. They gave Seth Jones a 9m a year deal and traded assets for him.

But of course it’s unlikely Panarin is dealt. That being said if you can replace him with another top line player, solve the LW log jam and be able to clear a ton of cap space a year from now? These are all good things.

 

[rangers1314]

I mean if we are going to focus on reality, I think Chicago’s front office/ownership has shown itself to be…not the most progressive. They aren’t rebuilding. They gave Seth Jones a 9m a year deal and traded assets for him.

But of course it’s unlikely Panarin is dealt. That being said if you can replace him with another top line player, solve the LW log jam and be able to clear a ton of cap space a year from now? These are all good things.

Again, the Jones deal was made by a person no longer employed by the team. Stan Bowman.

In spite of that, Chicago IS going to rebuild. Anyone that doesn't have a NTC/NMC is on the block. It's already been widely reported.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

twice

Nope, just once. First time they gave him an out clause in his contract which he was very much entitled to use.

Still not sure why people are so up in arms over it too, HFD has been a complete DUMPSTER fire for years and he probably developed 5x as much in the KHL the last couple of years than he would have in HFD.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Kravtsov quit on Hartford, remember that.

yes i do. but one is playing on a 1yr deal worth 800k, the other would require a ton of assets and a large long term deal.

One is not like the other

 

[NikC]

I think it's plausible that Panarin likes Strome and the Rangers don't want to piss Panarin off.

I mean, Panarin is signed for 4 more year with a full no movement, at over 11M cap hit.

I sort of get trying to keep him happy.


Yet on the other hand I think that is going to turn out being detrimental towards them ever being good enough as a team 5on5 to beat the best of the best in the playoffs.

Rock/Hard place thing.

I see this as well. I think management may feel they have a good thing with the Panarin/Strome connection.

I'm no fan of Strome, and would much rather see another 2C, but not at the expense of Artemi floundering here like Jagr did without Nylander years ago.

Strome plays with tenacity, is a vocal leader, decent speed and good playmaking vision.

Nothing more needs to be said about his finishing ability... or lack thereof

If there's a chemistry there, and the team is successful, why screw up what's working?

The Rangers are in no position to make big moves, and why should they?

We have Kravstov, Blias and hopefully Jones and Otherman coming in.. Plus the continued development of all the youth.

Maybe sign Copp, Motte or Vatrano... but othewise, the above should be the direction they continue in.

Whatever they do... I don't want to see useless plugs in this lineup like McKegg and sadly even Rooney was an absolute nonfactor. I have my doubts about Reeves, especially in playoff games. Hunt is another one that doesn't bring much.

 

[The New Russian Five]

I think Panarin loves Chicago, doesn't he?

Pretty sure he was pissed about being traded from there. I remember from an interview he said he was surprised about the trade and thought he would be a Hawk for his whole career. I remember this influenced his decision to not sign in Chicago as a a FA. Not to mention the only real incentive of Panarin to go back to Chicago is to play with his buddy Kane, which would be moot if he's the one we're trading for.

 

[McRanger92]

Kakko for one year of Miller? No. Kakko is still too young to give up on.

Doesnt have to be for Miller, just saying id be open to the idea. The reality is that Kakko is going to be in the same boat as Buchnevich contract-wise pretty soon (we all saw how that worked out), and hasnt shown nearly as much as a Ranger as Buch did.

 

[redwhiteandblue]

Nope, just once. First time they gave him an out clause in his contract which is was very much entitled to use.

Still not sure why people are so up in arms over it too, HFD has been a complete DUMPSTER fire for years and he probably developed 5x as much in the KHL the last couple of years than he would have on in HFD.

This x10000000000000000

 

[MrAlmost]

Trade Panarin to LA when Kane signs there as a free agent. Problems solved.