Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[RangerBoy]

Are the Rangers trading Schneider to Vancouver? That's who the Canucks want. What's the point in even discussing the trade? Miller will not have the same usage on another team.

Would take JT in a heartbeat for a year as a "go for it" move if thats the route Drury decides to take. We probably have the assets to get Vancouver to retain.

Which assets?

 

[tomobson]

If Strome sticks around I'll probably only tune in for the playoffs, hopefully, and any games he might miss. I've rarely missed any games through this rebuild and I can do with some time away from the rangers. Resigning Strome will be the epitome of incompetence.

 

[rangers1314]

Reilly Smith is 3x5 in Vegas

 

[bleedblue94]

By the way Panarin had the same amount of points as Kreider and by all accounts Panarin had some injury and was playing with broken Ryan Strome while Kreider and Mika were healthy

So what’s Drury’s excuse for being happy with Kreider but not being happy with Panarin?

One question, which line did every team match their best shutdown or hardest 5v5 group against? panarin or zib?

the whole point of having two superstars on different lines is to create matchup issues for other teams, but if only one is playing well 5v5 then the whole concept falls apart...

 

[Anthony5967]

Rangers need to steer clear of Vatrano and Motte reunions if you people want to watch Laf, Kakko, and Kravtsov get significant mins this season. You're going to pump $6M between Vatrano and Motte without filling the 2C? That's bad, very bad.

 

[bleedblue94]

so smith goes from being the guy vegas will have "to give away for free" to be cap compliant to being resigned for the same exact number. some people on this board are comical...

 

[Raspewtin]

so smith goes from being the guy vegas will have "to give away for free" to be cap compliant to being resigned for the same exact number. some people on this board are comical...

well that was before they traded for LTIRetired Shea Weber for a free 8 mill in cap space.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

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60% of the $82.5M cap. It's a little bit more than 60%.

luckily those players are all elite or close to it. Only one overpaid is Trouba.

 

[haohmaru]

JT Miller is a fantasy that doesn’t mesh well with the Rangers cap situation. This is the same tired nonsense of the Rangers being interested in superstar _________ to drive up the price.

 

[Circus86]

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60% of the $82.5M cap. It's a little bit more than 60%.

Trouba didn't have the best playoffs, but I think that Panarin and his cap is the big issue. Yes, we had to overpay for him in UFA, but 11,6 is absurd. McD has 12,5. I also think that Kaprizov this season was better than Panarin, he has a 9 mil. AAV. Or what about Drai?


If it was max 10 mil. in cap it would be reasonable, but 11,6 is too much. With a cap like that I expect a player to be a constant threat on the the ice, especially in the playoffs.

 

[McRanger92]

Are the Rangers trading Schneider to Vancouver? That's who the Canucks want. What's the point in even discussing the trade? Miller will not have the same usage on another team.


Which assets?

Kakko, Kravtsov & Lundqvist id be willing to discuss. Lafreniere, K'Andre, Chytil, Schneider are untouchables. If Vancouver wont make the deal they can trade him somewhere else.

 

[rangers1314]

Kakko, Kravtsov & Lundqvist id be willing to discuss. Lafreniere, K'Andre, Chytil, Schneider are untouchables. If Vancouver wont make the deal they can trade him somewhere else.

You're not trading any of those guys for 1 year of Miller.

 

[Fitzy]

Rangers need to steer clear of Vatrano and Motte reunions if you people want to watch Laf, Kakko, and Kravtsov get significant mins this season. You're going to pump $6M between Vatrano and Motte without filling the 2C? That's bad, very bad.

Maybe, but NYR also need to accumulate enough pro depth that we aren't one injury away from McKegg or Hajek in the starting lineup. That means guys on the 4th line who can move up to the top 9 in case of injury. (Blackwell, Goodrow, Dominic Moore etc.)

That's why we had to make so many deadline deals, and that's why you can't just go into the season with one player for each position.

 

[McRanger92]

You're not trading any of those guys for 1 year of Miller.

Probably not. But soon the Rangers need to trade some wingers and defenseman. Not enough spots for everyone

 

[fm]

why aren't the rangers making deals for Weber contracts? Is The Datsyuk deal still out there? lol Pronger's contract still floating around? Would solve a LOT of issues.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Would take JT in a heartbeat for a year as a "go for it" move if thats the route Drury decides to take. We probably have the assets to get Vancouver to retain.

So empty the war chest for a year of JT Miller? Wow

Probably not. But soon the Rangers need to trade some wingers and defenseman. Not enough spots for everyone

True, but not for 1 year of JT Miller. You trade those assets for a player who will be here long term.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Maybe, but NYR also need to accumulate enough pro depth that we aren't one injury away from McKegg or Hajek in the starting lineup. That means guys on the 4th line who can move up to the top 9 in case of injury. (Blackwell, Goodrow, Dominic Moore etc.)

That's why we had to make so many deadline deals, and that's why you can't just go into the season with one player for each position.

See this is where i let Mckegg go and let players like Jonny B, anthony greco go out and play 4th line or be the extra forwards. These are guys who played extremely well in their stint up and should be getting playing time over scrubs like mckegg.

 

[McRanger92]

So empty the war chest for a year of JT Miller? Wow



True, but not for 1 year of JT Miller. You trade those assets for a player who will be here long term.

That player isn't out there and the Rangers are in win-now mode

 

[GAGLine]

well that was before they traded for LTIRetired Shea Weber for a free 8 mill in cap space.

Acquiring Shea Weber didn't create any cap space for them. Dumping Dadonov created 5 mil in cap space. But otherwise, your point is correct.

Both Dadonov and Smith were making 5 mil, so one of them had to go.

 

[TheDirtyH]

My guess, Zbad's line being matched up against the other teams top line played a part, where as Panarin's line should have theoretically had some advantage over the other teams lesser lines.

that and the extra 5 million against the cap Panarin makes are probably two great reasons

 

[fm]

CK was a top PKer too. CK also is not as talented as AP

 

[bhamill]

I'm really think that unless one of Strome or Copp give NYR a real sweetheart deal both are gone. So I think both are gone.
Go into next season with Mika, Chytil, Goodrow and Rydahl or a cheap vet or entry level grinder as centers.
Your wings are Panarin, Kreider, Lafreniere, Kakko, Blaise, Kravtsov, then Motte if he will stay for cheap, Hunt and Reaves or whoever else cheap you want to slot in on 4th line. Let them play the game and see how young guys have progressed. Signing anyone really significant will be a problem cap-wise. Maybe get a guy who was bought out who will play on a 1 year 1 million contract that is a value at that price point. See who of our important young players we can bridge who we can maybe lock up a bit long term.
Address needs at the TDL if possible when cap is less an issue and the team looks like it could make another run.

 

[Hockey Gamer]

I think high offensive numbers get overrated on these boards, especially when it comes to playoff hockey. What did we just learn based off of our recent playoffs? The ingredients that culminate to drastically increase your team's chances to reach the cup is disciplined play (not taking too many penalties), adhering to a system, having good coaching, player leadership, ability to adjust, closing series out before game 7, etc.

The amount of pure offense a team needs to win the playoffs isn't nearly as high as many think and any case where you start swapping new players in for existing players, there's going to be a diminishing return penalty that tends to get ignored entirely in this type of "trade for player A" calculus. This is even further true if you're dealing roster players away for the target acquisition.

J.T. Miller has produced very high numbers when he's the 1C on a Canucks' team that gave him an extremely long leash to do w/e he wants. He also has cost that team many goals against and the Canucks' fans have even stated this on their own boards.

So, we trade for Miller and we instantly get an injection of more goals that pushes us over the top? I don't think the math adds up like this. We will lose some goals for whomever he replaces and we will certainly give up more scoring chances and possibly take more penalties. Additionally, does Miller mesh well with the existing team and the organization after the organization traded him away? I'm not sure but yet a fair question to ask.

This is the guy we want to throw several assets away for? Even if his offensive numbers translate directly into our system (which is the best case scenario), I think we saw how effective shopping for the right players, but not necessarily the best players is far more rewarding. Drury showed us all, he knows how to qualify weaknesses of a team and he can address those at a TDL for very reasonable prices. A more measured and specific approach I think is far more beneficial for this team than going all in for a shiny offensive toy that will come with many drawbacks that most people want to ignore.

Let Drury make more measured and purposeful acquisitions. All of the other areas where we struggled in the playoffs this year we can address with time and experience in house. You really don't need insane offensive output to win the playoffs, especially if forces you to start sacrificing other areas of your team.

 

[bhamill]

That player isn't out there and the Rangers are in win-now mode

unless its a win ONLY now mode, I think this would be a mistake from 23-24 on, and certainly no guarantee of winning in 22-23.

 

[McRanger92]

unless its a win ONLY now mode, I think this would be a mistake from 23-24 on, and certainly no guarantee of winning in 22-23.

Not being tied down to a center next summer when you’ve got to pay a lot of RFAs has value. Miller is a skilled & gritty guy who does everything the Rangers need at 2C. Even if it’s only for a year I think there’s merit to it