Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[Oscar Lindberg]

Drury being upset at Panarin and then re-signing his buddy that enabled him to play their pond hockey bullshit to begin with is the peak of comedy

What a bunch of dummies that run this team

 

[Raspewtin]

there's always been this weird thing on HF where there's an underlying assumption that players are kept because "there's no better option/immediate replacement" and not "the team likes them and thinks they are valuable".

It's why Girardi and Staal were erroneously retained and got top 4 minutes until they literally couldn't play anymore

It's why Glass played over better players in the 2015 playoffs despite Sather blatantly acquiring players to force him out

It will be why Ryan Strome is retained when he inevitably is

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Darren Dreger claims the Rangers are rumored to still be interested in J.T. Miller. 11:20 mark.
Essch

EWW. God i hope not

 

[Off Sides]

I just don't think Panarin can change his game, so more or less, finding two line mates for him who do all the things he can not seems to make the most sense to me. That is not Strome or Stastny.

It's much closer to Copp and Motte. Yet if they require contracts that cause the Rangers to lose out on their youth down the line as cap casualties, that does not make sense either.

It's similar with Goodrow, they should have tried to find the next Goodrow rather than signed him to that cap hit.

Who are the next Copp, Motte, etc, and how do they get them? Do they have them already in their system, does some other team have them and not know it? I beleive that sort of thing is why Tampa is so good, they have been able to find those players before they became hot commodities with the corresponding bigger cap hit.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Strome needs to be jettisened from this team. And Panarin needs to wake the f*** up. If we resign strome i seriously question my fandom. The guy is a bum in all aspects of the game. And if the reason why we resign him is bc there is nobody else, then that is just a terrible reason to resign him. Dont lock yourself into this scrub when capspace is crucial for the next two years.

If he is resigned he is stapled at center with panarin. Thats the worst possible outcome. Pond hockey, no defense, inablitity to do anything really. Yes they put up points in the regular season but that doesnt mean shit in playoff hockey when it matters. Tired of htis shit.

ALso tired of seeing people post about Lindgren who is a top 4 defenseman, heart and soul of our team, one of our few true warriors who makes 3m per that want to move him as a cap dump. Let me get this straight. You want to dump a 3m top 4 defenseman who is 24yo and wont break down for another 6 or so years if you want to bring up girardi. 3m isnt cap saving when moving a player like lindgren.

Some poeple i truly just dont undertstand

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I just don't think Panarin can change his game, so more or less, finding two line mates for him who do all the things he can not seems to make the most sense to me. That is not Strome or Stastny.

It's much closer to Copp and Motte. Yet if they require contracts that cause the Rangers to lose out on their youth down the line as cap casualties, that does not make sense either.

It's similar with Goodrow, they should have tried to find the next Goodrow rather than signed him to that cap hit.

Who are the next Copp, Motte, etc, and how do they get them? Do they have them already in their system, does some other team have them and not know it? I beleive that sort of thing is why Tampa is so good, they have been able to find those players before they became hot commodities with the corresponding bigger cap hit.

Tampa drafted most of their team! Stamkos, Palat, Cirelli, kuch, point, and so on. The player who you are talking about are patrick marroon and corey perry and so forth. Guys who have been there before who play an in your face, hard hitting, stand up for your teammates type game for 1m type deals. Its about drafting your team and then filling in roster spots with the correct vets.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’ve been complaining about Ryan Strome’s lazy ass since he basically got here. and just when I think I’m getting respite from him, he hits me with the double middle fingers and take a discount to stay

Not sure I can take any more years of this this happening so I hope it doesn’t lmao

Staple did say they prefer Copp over Strome but Copp probably won’t cut them a deal while it seems like Strome would? Who knows

 

[NYRFAN218]

If Drury's unhappy with Panarin then I'd imagine he wasn't playing hurt in the playoffs which is extremely concerning given his play for the majority of the season prior to the deadline. He's not exactly on the right side of 30.

 

[RangerBoy]

60% of the $82.5M cap. It's a little bit more than 60%.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I’ve been complaining about Ryan Strome’s lazy ass since he basically got here. and just when I think I’m getting respite from him, he hits me with the double middle fingers and take a discount to stay

Not sure I can take any more years of this this happening so I hope it doesn’t lmao

Staple did say they prefer Copp over Strome but Copp probably won’t cut them a deal while it seems like Strome would? Who knows

Then dont resign either of them. Bringing back strome is subtraction by addition lol. I cant stand strome, hes a bum in all aspects of hockey. I dont care if strome took a 1yr 1m deal to stay with us. Strome being on this team continues to help panarin with his p***y pond hocket game. Means strome is stapled to 2nd line center which he has shown he is incapable of playing. Just mind boggling by our gm

 

[CLW]

Darren Dreger claims the Rangers are rumored to still be interested in J.T. Miller. 11:20 mark.
Essch

This is exactly what I predicted a few days ago. It's so on brand for the Rangers management.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

If Drury's unhappy with Panarin then I'd imagine he wasn't playing hurt in the playoffs which is extremely concerning given his play for the majority of the season prior to the deadline. He's not exactly on the right side of 30.

Sounds like maybe we should move him. Im very open to this idea. So tired of his p***y like play and so tired of coaching staff catering to him and wanting to keep strome. The guy makes the 2nd most money in the league and is complete dog shit in the playoffs.

MOVE HIM. f*** that bum

 

[Off Sides]

Tampa drafted most of their team! Stamkos, Palat, Cirelli, kuch, point, and so on. The player who you are talking about are patrick marroon and corey perry and so forth. Guys who have been there before who play an in your face, hard hitting, stand up for your teammates type game for 1m type deals. Its about drafting your team and then filling in roster spots with the correct vets.

Right, yet they also found a way to have Goodrow, Coleman while their cap hits were minimal. They had to trade 1st round picks for them, yet they did so when the players had some term left.

 

[RangerBoy]

I’ve been complaining about Ryan Strome’s lazy ass since he basically got here. and just when I think I’m getting respite from him, he hits me with the double middle fingers and take a discount to stay

Not sure I can take any more years of this this happening so I hope it doesn’t lmao

Staple did say they prefer Copp over Strome but Copp probably won’t cut them a deal while it seems like Strome would? Who knows

The Rangers have been talking to Strome about a new contract for a while. Strome didn't settle for less last fall and he will settle for less right before free agency starts? Last week, Staple wrote the Rangers were trying to hold the line on NMC/NTC clauses. I heard his podcast last week. He said Strome on a 3 year deal for $4.5M. Strome's agents aren't taking that deal.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The Rangers have been talking to Strome about a new contract for a while. Strome didn't settle for less last fall and he will settle for less right before free agency starts? Last week, Staple wrote the Rangers were trying to hold the line on NMC/NTC clauses. I heard his podcast last week. He said Strome on a 3 year deal for $4.5M. Strome's agents aren't taking that deal.

Great I hope that’s the case, I don’t want to see Ryan Strome on this team ever again

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

This is exactly what I predicted a few days ago. It's so on brand for the Rangers management.

So instead of trading for him last season with the likes of what it seemed to have been chytl, nils and a 2023 1st rounder for simply 1 year of JT miller? Ugh this guy had an outlier season. Normally he is a 70pt center but lets be real here. THere is no reason we should be giving all that up for 1 year of jt f***ing miller. Enough with this guy already. Let someone else trade their war chest for him

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

By the way Panarin had the same amount of points as Kreider and by all accounts Panarin had some injury and was playing with broken Ryan Strome while Kreider and Mika were healthy

So what’s Drury’s excuse for being happy with Kreider but not being happy with Panarin?

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Right, yet they also found a way to have Goodrow, Coleman while their cap hits were minimal. They had to trade 1st round picks for them, yet they did so when the players had some term left.

Yes that was 2 years ago before they were who they were. They were still solid players at that point. Problem is we didnt draft most of our team. We dont even have a top 6 set nor do we have the picks to be able to give up for those type players for a year or two to cover the 3rd line and apparently we dont have the wits to sign good vets to league min to play 4th line.

 

[QJL]

Many top players today have NMC's. It's not just the Rangers. So maybe they trade Trouba the next year, maybe they use a buyout on him or somebody else. After next year they have no dead cap space. They have options.

As Minnesota is about to find out with Parise and Suter, buying out multiple years of huge contracts is not the key to a competitive window. We bought out the contracts we did at the right time. Buying out one of our big contracts now would be a travesty.

The only way is to move one of the big contracts. No other way.

It is the only way and it seems near impossible.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

By the way Panarin had the same amount of points as Kreider and by all accounts Panarin had some injury and was playing with broken Ryan Strome while Kreider and Mika were healthy

So what’s Drury’s excuse for being happy with Kreider but not being happy with Panarin?

I have no issue with moving both! Think of the capspace and the assets we would get bak for a 50goal scorer and panarin. We could legit remake the team to actually be good in the playoffs.

 

[QJL]

We're not more strapped with NMC's than most other competitive teams. We just don't love those players who have them.

The unique problem for us is the length of NMCs and the important contracts coming up for the long term success of our team.

 

[Off Sides]

By the way Panarin had the same amount of points as Kreider and by all accounts Panarin had some injury and was playing with broken Ryan Strome while Kreider and Mika were healthy

So what’s Drury’s excuse for being happy with Kreider but not being happy with Panarin?

My guess, Zbad's line being matched up against the other teams top line played a part, where as Panarin's line should have theoretically had some advantage over the other teams lesser lines.

 

[McRanger92]

Darren Dreger claims the Rangers are rumored to still be interested in J.T. Miller. 11:20 mark.
Essch

Would take JT in a heartbeat for a year as a "go for it" move if thats the route Drury decides to take. We probably have the assets to get Vancouver to retain.

 

[McRanger92]

I’ve been complaining about Ryan Strome’s lazy ass since he basically got here. and just when I think I’m getting respite from him, he hits me with the double middle fingers and take a discount to stay

Not sure I can take any more years of this this happening so I hope it doesn’t lmao

Staple did say they prefer Copp over Strome but Copp probably won’t cut them a deal while it seems like Strome would? Who knows

This hip surgery is going to be used as a way to get Strome to stay I bet. 1 year deal or something. Then maybe gets LTIR'd. He is going to have absolutely no market if team's think he's damaged goods. I dont want him back but if the Rangers clearly win the deal, it could happen.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I feel like Vatrano really enjoyed his time here and he is someone who I could see taking a pay cut to stay here. Wouldn't shock me to see him sign a 2x2.5 or something like that to stay here. Not even sure there is room for him here but having a guy like him who can beat goalies clean from distance on your 3rd line is never a bad thing.

Tough though because with Othmann, Cuylle, Berard coming and Lafreniere, Kravtsov, Kakko all already on the NHL roster - I'm not sure there is a room for him. Who knows what will happen with the roster building though.