DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Pretty rough when you look at the cores of the other top teams in the league.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII
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HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
The Strome rumors do not line up with Drury's supposedly being upside with Panarin's play.
If the bit about Panarin is true, then I think the Strome rumors are pressure on Copp to take a more reasonable deal.
If the bit about Panarin is true, then I think the Strome rumors are pressure on Copp to take a more reasonable deal.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Are the two really intertwined? I didn't read Staple's article but it seems that he's upset with Panarin not necessarily the playstyle between he and Strome. Which could be an issue with Drury in it's own right.
AirGut
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Chytil/Kakko/Lafreniere/Kravtsov/Miller/Lundkvist/Schneider/Jones/Robertson
I think some of you guys need to understand that at some point a couple of these guys will be moved and not all of them are staying if we want to actually win within this prime window. I get it, all these young players give us hope this Rangers team can be a competitive playoff team well into later this decade heading into the 2030's but I'm sorry that's just not realistic. Unfortunately the way this team has been built up the past couple years we've put ourselves into a bit of a corner to only really win the cup within these next 3 years. It's Shesterkin's contract length
After that Panarin/Zibanejad/Kreider/Trouba are all 3 years older with that much more miles on them and Igor is most likely going to want above $10M and a massive raise. So yes, J.T. Miller is a risky move but you're getting a prime time monster Center that teams can rarely even acquire and someone who more than likely would put you over the hump next spring. I've said it before but look at Kadri in COL and what he's brought to that team. Having a 1-2 punch like that with a sand paper player that wins face-offs is what separates teams from being a true cup contender and just another playoff team.
Let Strome and Copp walk, use some of our asset capital to bring back J.T. Miller and figure out if you want to keep either Motte or Vatrano heading into next season. I think that would be all we really need to do to bolster the lineup enough and if VAN possibly retains even $1M-$2M then Drury can still make a smaller acquisition if he so chooses.
-Kakko takes a small bridge deal this summer (if he isn't traded)
-Chytil takes a short term deal for a small raise next summer (if he isn't traded)
-Lafreniere will take a bridge deal next summer unless he explodes out the gate for 60 points
-Kravtsov gets bare minimum and is still a top trade candidate (would probably be involved in the Miller deal)
-K'andre Miller is the one player that will truly be looking for a proper raise. I'm thinking he'd end up asking for $4M for 4 or 5 years easy next off-season
-Lundkvist is a prime trade chip
-Jones is a prime trade chip
-Robertson is a prime trade chip
-Schneider is being groomed as a Trouba replacement.......in about 3 or 4 years time, which simply isn't going to happen if this team wants to actually win in the slotted window they've given themselves but he's a guy Drury mostly doesn't want to move
which leaves Lafreniere, K'andreMiller, and Schneider as the only really "untouchable" young players within this system. Everyone else, expect Drury to be wheeling in hopes it puts us over that bridge these next 2 years
I think some of you guys need to understand that at some point a couple of these guys will be moved and not all of them are staying if we want to actually win within this prime window. I get it, all these young players give us hope this Rangers team can be a competitive playoff team well into later this decade heading into the 2030's but I'm sorry that's just not realistic. Unfortunately the way this team has been built up the past couple years we've put ourselves into a bit of a corner to only really win the cup within these next 3 years. It's Shesterkin's contract length
After that Panarin/Zibanejad/Kreider/Trouba are all 3 years older with that much more miles on them and Igor is most likely going to want above $10M and a massive raise. So yes, J.T. Miller is a risky move but you're getting a prime time monster Center that teams can rarely even acquire and someone who more than likely would put you over the hump next spring. I've said it before but look at Kadri in COL and what he's brought to that team. Having a 1-2 punch like that with a sand paper player that wins face-offs is what separates teams from being a true cup contender and just another playoff team.
Let Strome and Copp walk, use some of our asset capital to bring back J.T. Miller and figure out if you want to keep either Motte or Vatrano heading into next season. I think that would be all we really need to do to bolster the lineup enough and if VAN possibly retains even $1M-$2M then Drury can still make a smaller acquisition if he so chooses.
-Kakko takes a small bridge deal this summer (if he isn't traded)
-Chytil takes a short term deal for a small raise next summer (if he isn't traded)
-Lafreniere will take a bridge deal next summer unless he explodes out the gate for 60 points
-Kravtsov gets bare minimum and is still a top trade candidate (would probably be involved in the Miller deal)
-K'andre Miller is the one player that will truly be looking for a proper raise. I'm thinking he'd end up asking for $4M for 4 or 5 years easy next off-season
-Lundkvist is a prime trade chip
-Jones is a prime trade chip
-Robertson is a prime trade chip
-Schneider is being groomed as a Trouba replacement.......in about 3 or 4 years time, which simply isn't going to happen if this team wants to actually win in the slotted window they've given themselves but he's a guy Drury mostly doesn't want to move
which leaves Lafreniere, K'andreMiller, and Schneider as the only really "untouchable" young players within this system. Everyone else, expect Drury to be wheeling in hopes it puts us over that bridge these next 2 years
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Sure. Depending what you give up for that one year... If it "empties the cupboards" and you don't win (the most likely scenario), you're screwed for years.
Rather trade that package for a signed Dubois. Miller is good but we have been there, done that.
Raspewtin
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I don't think it matters? The Rangers like Strome. The Rangers have always liked Strome. They want to keep Strome. They see him and Panarin as independent variables. They think Panarin had a bad playoffs, not the whole line (I imagine Strome having a busted pelvis for three months has helped his case).
As much as we all think this (me included) I doubt Gallant, his coaches, or NYR FO perceive Strome and Panarin's relationship as problematic or holding one or the other down.
Strongly agree that I don't buy this either.
I read the article. Apparently drury was vocally displeased with panarin's play. Which isn't really a unique position.
It could also be that panarin knows we're not re-signing strome.
That being said, panarin asking out, and us getting a return for him would probably be the best thing for this franchise in both the immediate and long term future.
A team that might be a perfect match could be Anaheim. They've got mctavish, and 1 high first this year, and i'd want at least one more first.
Chalfdiggity3
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You may be doing that but it doesnt solve our center problems. All it does is empty the cupboard for a rental. THen have less assets to actual make a trade that will truly help the team now and the future.
Im not interested in the Exsorbet price that we will have to pay for him. ALso now youre moving out the ELC contracts that will be extremly helpful to this team.
Just not the asset management i want from my gm
Liking strome and wanting to keep strome are two different concepts.
Strome was exactly what we expected in the playoffs, mediocre to weak defensively, cant drive play himself and takes dumb penalties.
We offered strome 5.5m during the season to stay, that number was rejected. His mediocre-> bad playoff for us didnt make that number go up for us.
Copp proved more valuable in his game over the playoffs than strome did. And I wouldn't want drury to offer copp 5.5
Chalfdiggity3
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PLD has quit on two teams now. Not interested in him or giving up those assets for a guy who is a quitter.
But i agree, miller is a rental. You dont empty the cupboard for that. And thats what the asking price is from Van.
Raspewtin
Stay at home defenseman hater
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Listen I think Panarin had a shit playoffs too but this idea that he's some kind of luxury and not a huge part of the team is just delusion.
Unless some dumbass team gives us a better player or a slightly worse center version of him you need to hope he has a better year. Think it's okay to get nervous if the same shit continues but subtracting offensive talent is 10000000000% not the answer for this team.
Unless some dumbass team gives us a better player or a slightly worse center version of him you need to hope he has a better year. Think it's okay to get nervous if the same shit continues but subtracting offensive talent is 10000000000% not the answer for this team.
pld459666
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Considering Panarin is a top 10 NHL Talent and Kreider is not, it's not that surprising that he would be unhappy with the all-world talent looking like shit for most of the playoffs.
If Miller costs any two of the names mentioned above and all we get is ONE playoff run out of him, HARD PASS
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
Fair enough. Probably wishful thinking. I just truly don't understand how anyone working for this team could be disappointed with the way Panarin played this season, and not see Strome as an enabler / contributing factor.
Kakko for one year of Miller? No. Kakko is still too young to give up on.
HatTrick Swayze
Just Be Nice
The reality is I fully, completely expect that the NYR front office is with you. This is by far most realistically how actual NYR management is thinking about this.
As someone who was so excited to think that this team would FINALLY actually go through a true bottoms-up rebuild, I guess I'm just having a hard time letting go of the plain fact that they are not doing that. That dream all but ended the day they signed Panarin.
Hire Sather
He Is Our Star
Winnipeg is not looking to trade PLD. I heard the latest 32T podcast today. Not this summer. Maybe next summer. Winnipeg will try to convince PLD to sign an extension.
Synergy27
F-A-C-G-C-E
Things I did not expect to see today: Ryan Strome looking likely to return. Please for the love of f*** let this not be true.
The yo yo affair with Drury continues.
The yo yo affair with Drury continues.
Good Intentions
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Colorado traded Kadri with three seasons remaining on his contract. They traded Barrie and Kerfoot for Kadri. No one is saying all of those players are playing for the Rangers. The Rangers will be rebuilding again if they start with the trading every 1st round pick and young player to win right away.
I dont care that panarin is a top 10 talent. I care that he's paid like a top 10 talent. Kreider had a great regular season but he's also being paid 6.5M and panarin is being paid almost twice that. He didnt produce twice the level of value in the playoffs.
Off Sides
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I think it's plausible that Panarin likes Strome and the Rangers don't want to piss Panarin off.
I mean, Panarin is signed for 4 more year with a full no movement, at over 11M cap hit.
I sort of get trying to keep him happy.
Yet on the other hand I think that is going to turn out being detrimental towards them ever being good enough as a team 5on5 to beat the best of the best in the playoffs.
Rock/Hard place thing.
BBKers
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We Need to acquire a Young, cost controlled 3C plus likely another vet (buyout?) UFA C for depth. Maybe Another depth winger, a good vet #6/#7 LD. Plus a backup goalie. At the TDL add a piece or Two after evaluation. This is not the hardest task for an NHL GM to acquire. Not. Rocket. Science.
Mac n Gs
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The opposite was apparently true like a week ago, and I wouldn’t give it too much thought for another few weeks. Both camps are going to keep using each other as leverage until they can settle on a deal they want. Drury just needs to be smart with his contingency plans.
