Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

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Is Jack Drury in the realm of possibility? Why the hell did we draft Lindbom instead of Chris's nephew?
I wouldn't have thought so (without a serious overpay). The Canes seem high on him and have to expect that he's taking a roster spot next season. He's tearing up the Calder Cup finals right now. Wolves are up 2-1 in the Final and Drury 21pts in 16 games.

I still have NFI what we were thinking with that Lindbom pick
 
Staple new article up:

Drury vocally unhappy with Panarin’s playoff
If Drury trades for a 2C he thinks Chytil is a prime target in the trade
Strome the leader to stick around of all the UFA’s
Copp less likely to shave money off a deal

If Motte wants over 2 and Vatrano wants 3, both gone
Would take anything for Gauthier and looking for a mid round pick for Geo
Bolded: God no please gtfo Strome. Max for Copp is $5.25. If it is more than move on.

Italicized: Give Motte 3 years. Vatrano i would give 3 years as well but we dont have much cap to keep him anyway. And if it came down between Motte and Vatrano I choose Motte all day. He should come cheaper on the AAV and fits a role while Vatrano’s spot can quickly be replaced by upcoming youth.

Much of this sounds like Drury/NYR negotiating through the media
 
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I just don’t get it, Drury is tight lipped as tight lipped gets. Where is Staple getting his “sources” from? You have to wonder. This is a guy all season that was telling us Drury had no contact with Kravtsov the minute he departed for Russia, only for us to find out from the man himself, Drury, that he was in contact all along and now he’s back. Relationship looks to be salvaged for the moment. Why does everybody assume Drury and management want Strome back? Because Staple put out it in his piece? I’m skeptical on a lot of what was in there, I really am.
 
People are out to lunch in here, WFAN caller style. Trade Panarin? For Kane nonetheless? Drury is married to Strome? Where are we getting all of this from? Let’s trust the boss. He made a lot of people eat turds this year that claimed he would “ruin the rebuild” last summer. Whether you want to attribute a ton of it to Shesterkin, fine, but his moves at the deadline, to hire Gallant, etc, put this team in an incredible position, two wins from a Cup final, where they honestly didn’t even hit their ceiling for how well they could’ve played, while also missing Blais, skating a 2C with no pelvis, and getting about 70% out of Bread. Also, not to mention the invaluable experience for these kids to get three rounds of playoff experience in against top dogs. Im going to trust the boss and wait to see what happens.
 
Can’t keep paying big money to bottom-six guys when you have young guys to sign. People just don’t understand, yet they’ll be in here crying in a year when they can’t afford Miller and Lafrenière.
I doubt these guys would cost what it took to sign Goodrow. Marchment will get sought after and the be the most expensive. His size skating would be useful to this team even as a 3rd 4th line PK guy. These guys are not gonna cost Hyman type of money
 
People are out to lunch in here, WFAN caller style. Trade Panarin? For Kane nonetheless? Drury is married to Strome? Where are we getting all of this from? Let’s trust the boss. He made a lot of people eat turds this year that claimed he would “ruin the rebuild” last summer. Whether you want to attribute a ton of it to Shesterkin, fine, but his moves at the deadline, to hire Gallant, etc, put this team in an incredible position, two wins from a Cup final, where they honestly didn’t even hit their ceiling for how well they could’ve played, while also missing Blais, skating a 2C with no pelvis, and getting about 70% out of Bread. Also, not to mention the invaluable experience for these kids to get three rounds of playoff experience in against top dogs. Im going to trust the boss and wait to see what happens.
If we trade panarin it needs to be to a team out west for an Eichel style deal. at least one young center and a couple picks. That would let us continue improving and utilize the cap space properly. We'd take a step back next year unless laf goes off while playing 20 minutes a game. But it would let us absolutely have contender status for a lot longer.
 
He can take the puck up the ice into the other team's zone and shoot it BUT NOT BOTH at the same time. It's the royal road revolution.
I agree Chytil has an incomplete game, yet there is progress there.

While I question his vision, I do think he has a knack for scoring goals. To me he's kind of like Jeff Carter lite right now.
 
I agree Chytil has an incomplete game, yet there is progress there.

While I question his vision, I do think he has a knack for scoring goals. To me he's kind of like Jeff Carter lite right now.
I'm not talking about Chytil's game. I'm talking about what I'm allowing my players to do. If you carry the puck into the zone you best not be shooting. It's the royal road revolution.
 
We are not trading Panarin. Sorry. Not happening. Not over one subpar playoff run. And let’s lean towards what Staple wrote as being true that Drury was unhappy with Panarin’s play in the playoffs —- so? Good, the GM should be displeased. He shouldn’t let Panarin go into the offseason thinking that was acceptable. He is their highest paid star player. They need more responsible play out of him in next year’s playoffs. That’s Drury’s job. To be honest and make sure he is helping motivate and set the bar where he can. That doesn’t mean this guy is now on the trading block. Sheesh.
 
I wonder if a guy like Strome would consider taking a 2 year deal, wait for the cap to increase, and take another kick at UFA at that point. He knows if he stays in NY that he will be playing with Panarin. Next year will be difficult Domi back from the injury as well.

The guys at forward I’d be looking at are Copp, Motte/Raffl, Larsson

On defense I’m looking at Braun and Vlasic if he is bought out.

Panarin-Copp-Lafreniere
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kaako
Goodrow-Chytil-Kravtsov
Motte-Larsson-Blais
Reaves

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider
Braun/Vlasic
 
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well that was before they traded for LTIRetired Shea Weber for a free 8 mill in cap space.
I mean that's not how ltir works. They need to be at the cap limit and then put Weber on ltir to a crew more space in season to use at the deadline. They still need to be cap compliant at the start with allowed overages (webers contract). They didn't "trade for a free 8milbin cap space." They traded out dadanov's 5mil which I said they would do from the start and people jumped saying they would never find a taker, well they found two teams that wanted him. Regardless, if you actually though Reilly Smith was going to be a free cap dump you were lost.
 
I'm sorry, but anyone looking at this panarin arc from the past couple years thinking "yes, a soon to be 31 year old finesse winger should and will learn to not be a perimeter player in the playoffs and will return to higher danger traffic areas after he has obviously changed his playing style after suffering an impactful injury last year that affected his playing style all season simply bc the gm said so despite that player having his retirement contract and showing no interest to do the above things is really, as Bon Jovi said, livin' on a prayer.

No one here is expecting strome to suddenly be 55 percent at the dot, but you might as well hope for that too if he resigns.

People need some realistic expectations. Panarin just showed you for MONTHS where his game stylistically is headed, it's not good long term. Once a player develops a hesitation or dare I say fear for the middle of the ice it is very hard for them to go back to attacking those hard areas. Panarin just spent an entire season and playoffs avoiding it
 
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Idk why people are so worried about Drury. He's nailed everything he's done and it's all made sense.

Buch obviously didn't have the trade market anyone wanted.

Nemeth was brought to be Nils babysitter and both sucked. Happens. Doesn't mean it wasn't the right idea.

Took his BPA in the 1st (oMG a WinGeR) and watched him crank 50 goals.

Crushed the trade deadline.

Ryan Stromes not coming back. Don't worry. Pizza man's got this.
 
Rather see them make a minor trade for, say example, Derek Ryan and play him for a year. At least he'd be determined to be the "shut down" vet center and it may allow for Chytil to be viewed as an offensive center. Which is what Chytil will be if he is gonna be anything, he's not a defensive center but I do beleive he could be an offensive guy (in terms of taking the puck up ice into the other team zone, and shooting it)

I want Boyd from Arizona. Younger and good on faceoffs and some offense



1.75 cap hit until summer of 24.

Is Jack Drury in the realm of possibility? Why the hell did we draft Lindbom instead of Chris's nephew?

I would trade Lundkvist for Drury. Drury should be a Ranger. He would add depth to this team.
 
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I wonder if a guy like Strome would consider taking a 2 year deal, wait for the cap to increase, and take another kick at UFA at that point. He knows if he stays in NY that he will be playing with Panarin. Next year will be difficult Domi back from the injury as well.

The guys at forward I’d be looking at are Copp, Motte/Raffl, Larsson

On defense I’m looking at Braun and Vlasic if he is bought out.

Panarin-Copp-Lafreniere
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kaako
Goodrow-Chytil-Kravtsov
Motte-Larsson-Blais
Reaves

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider
Braun/Vlasic
Vlasic used to be a top-2 D but he's really gone down hill. Is he even serviceable to justify a contract slot?
 
If its not anxiety, its certainly something you got going on if you have these high expectations of fans of a sports team posting on a message board to provide you with appropriate math down to the cent for the cap situation in 2023-2024. Go outside and get some fresh air.

I’m literally in Spain walking about 25,000 steps a day. Too much time on my hands I guess.
 
I want Boyd from Arizona. Younger and good on faceoffs and some offense



1.75 cap hit until summer of 24.



I would trade Lundkvist for Drury. Drury should be a Ranger. He would add depth to this team.

Don't think Drury is available anymore. The Canes need a guy like Drury (Trocheck likely gone). If we wanted Drury, Gorton and co. could have drafted Drury instead of this Lindbom dude.
 
Would you guys consider a trade around Filip Gustavsson (G, Ottawa) and Georgiev?

Gustavsson turned 24 this month and has a 3.12gaa and .905 SVP in 27 career games. He is coming off a season in which he struggled mightily at the NHL level, but was very good in a short stretch the year prior. The team behind his has struggled, but I will not sugarcoat it - he was not good this last season and there were games where we were down early on weak goals. He will require waivers this Fall.

That said, I do think there is definite NHL potential there, probably as a strong backup rather than a starter but there are others who are higher on him than me.

The Rangers would need to bring in a veteran 3rd goalie, or even a legit backup and let the best man play and waive the other guy, but Gustavsson is young, cheap, and has some promise. Thought it could be a win-win given that Georgiev is certainly on the way out and his value is likely not too high. I do suspect Ottawa could throw in a 5th or mid prospect, too.

Any interest, or not at all?
 
Would you guys consider a trade around Filip Gustavsson (G, Ottawa) and Georgiev?

Gustavsson turned 24 this month and has a 3.12gaa and .905 SVP in 27 career games. He is coming off a season in which he struggled mightily at the NHL level, but was very good in a short stretch the year prior. The team behind his has struggled, but I will not sugarcoat it - he was not good this last season and there were games where we were down early on weak goals. He will require waivers this Fall.

That said, I do think there is definite NHL potential there, probably as a strong backup rather than a starter but there are others who are higher on him than me.

The Rangers would need to bring in a veteran 3rd goalie, or even a legit backup and let the best man play and waive the other guy, but Gustavsson is young, cheap, and has some promise. Thought it could be a win-win given that Georgiev is certainly on the way out and his value is likely not too high. I do suspect Ottawa could throw in a 5th or mid prospect, too.

Any interest, or not at all?

Gustavsson is a good target . Young cheap G
 
Kakko, Kravtsov & Lundqvist id be willing to discuss. Lafreniere, K'Andre, Chytil, Schneider are untouchables. If Vancouver wont make the deal they can trade him somewhere else.
Ew giving up on a kid who has played only 3 years for a guy who finally figured it out on his 3 team who needs a contract that will be huge and really hamper this team with long term contracts to a majority of the team already is just vintage rangers. Everything they should avoid doing. You build your core through the draft not give it away for 1 year gaps. Kakko for miller would just be brutal. Not that I like it but at least kk for pld makes sense with pld only being 23. Whereas miller is going to be 30 by the time his next contract kicks in which will at least be 5 years if not more based on the deals drury has handed out.
 
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I'm sorry, but anyone looking at this panarin arc from the past couple years thinking "yes, a soon to be 31 year old finesse winger should and will learn to not be a perimeter player in the playoffs and will return to higher danger traffic areas after he has obviously changed his playing style after suffering an impactful injury last year that affected his playing style all season simply bc the gm said so despite that player having his retirement contract and showing no interest to do the above things is really, as Bon Jovi said, livin' on a prayer.

No one here is expecting strome to suddenly be 55 percent at the dot, but you might as well hope for that too if he resigns.

People need some realistic expectations. Panarin just showed you for MONTHS where his game stylistically is headed, it's not good long term. Once a player develops a hesitation or dare I say fear for the middle of the ice it is very hard for them to go back to attacking those hard areas. Panarin just spent an entire season and playoffs avoiding it

Been beating this drum but I would say a majority, if not vast majority, of posters can’t get over POINTS. I get that he paced for 100 points in the regular season, but that’s a great reason to move on, in my opinion. Teams that don’t watch Panarin intently night in and out will see the opportunity to add a 90+ point winger to their roster. It’s a good opportunity for us to shed cap, add a solid younger top six guy with upside and a couple of quality prospects, gain massive flexibility for the future and get out of the Panarin contract before it becomes ugly.

The regular season production this year was a fugazi. This is a retread of my previous posts but his first year pacing for 100 points here, he was 1st in the league in even strength production and had the best 5v5 goal differential in the league. Anyone watching could tell he was a tenacious puck hound who didn’t hesitate to drive the net or shoot just as often as make a dazzling pass. This year, while pacing for 100 points, he was 18th in even strength production - his first finish outside of the top 10 ever, but also a continued drop from last season, when he was 10th for the first time ever - and 56th in the NHL in 5v5 goal differential which is a huge drop in impact from his first season. He also picked up 38% of his points on the PP.

That is not the trajectory of someone I want 11.6M committed to on a team that will need to retain its young core and keep this window open. People will say it’s one year, but even last year, before the Wilson incident, his 5v5 goal differential had dropped to 51st from 1st and it was his lowest ever finish in 5v5 production until this year. He’s trending in the wrong direction and, as you said, at 31 he isn’t going to suddenly start attacking the center of the ice again when he’s as secure as can be with his contract.

The way I see it is this - let’s pretend we just came off the season we had but Panarin didn’t exist and we had an extra 12M in cap space (I know we wouldn’t have had the exact same season and Panarin’s money wouldn’t just be sitting there, bare with me). Would you guys want to go out and sign Gaudreau for 11M? I wouldn’t. I’d much rather add a 7M guy who will put up 20 less points and keep that cap space for other upgrades. Same concept with bread. I’d rather trade him for a 6M guy and prospects, or some such, and make other upgrades to this team. Flip Panarin, go out and sign PLD as a UFA next year. Whatever. LW is Kreider, Lafreniere, Otthman… Bread isn’t going to play the game we need to win a Cup and we won’t ever afford a real 2C while giving him 12M.
 
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Doesnt have to be for Miller, just saying id be open to the idea. The reality is that Kakko is going to be in the same boat as Buchnevich contract-wise pretty soon (we all saw how that worked out), and hasnt shown nearly as much as a Ranger as Buch did.
Being that Buch didn’t crack the NHL till his D+4 I’d say Kakko ha s shown MORE at this stage of his development.
Kakko isn’t going anywhere before the TDL. At that point he will have either taken a step and be more likely to be held on to or not and be more likely to be moved.
I agree he’s not untouchable, but they’d need to get value on him. i don’t see a rental as that value unless it all but ensures a Cup, which is unlikely. They need to get a long term asset.
 
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