Everyone who posts a lineup should have to explain how it fits into the royal road revolution that is upon us. I'll start...Tyler freaking Johnson was the trailblazer of the royal road.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII
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AirGut
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I'm sorry but Dubois is NOT a player you win deep playoff battles with and trade the cupboard for
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I wish we knew a little bit more about what injuries some of the guys were dealing with in the playoffs.
Copp was great until that leg injury, and I'm just curious which is the "real" Copp. I didn't see him play much in Winnipeg, so I'm curious if he's streaky or if part of it was opportunity.
The one thing I appreciate about Copp (and also someone like Goodrow) is their versatility. A big part of Colorado's success is that d-men are comfortable moving up, forwards are okay covering and stepping back, changing roles, and it causes fits for the defense to try to match that. The more options we have, both in terms of line-up and in the actual play, the better.
Strome frustrates me, because we saw him elevate his game when Panarin was out, so we know he's capable. He was more physically engaged, and he played some good hockey when he was paired up with Kreider. But I haven't seen that engaged, physical Strome in a long while now, and that's the type of player we need more of.
Copp was great until that leg injury, and I'm just curious which is the "real" Copp. I didn't see him play much in Winnipeg, so I'm curious if he's streaky or if part of it was opportunity.
The one thing I appreciate about Copp (and also someone like Goodrow) is their versatility. A big part of Colorado's success is that d-men are comfortable moving up, forwards are okay covering and stepping back, changing roles, and it causes fits for the defense to try to match that. The more options we have, both in terms of line-up and in the actual play, the better.
Strome frustrates me, because we saw him elevate his game when Panarin was out, so we know he's capable. He was more physically engaged, and he played some good hockey when he was paired up with Kreider. But I haven't seen that engaged, physical Strome in a long while now, and that's the type of player we need more of.
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Johnson parties a lot. A lot a lot. He has a lot more miles on him than his hockeydb says.
Stay super far away.
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May as well put Kakko on the line and have them take from opening night till Thanksgiving to skate from their own red line to the offensive zone.
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We all can say whatever, yet it's not us. Coaching if the GM gives them vets are playing them. Rooney is proof enough, yet Glass, Rupp, etc, etc...
Panarin and Kreider are the top 2 LWs. Zbad, and anyone if they even kind of qualify for that spot, if they bring them in, are the top 6 centers.
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Conditioning needs to be a big focal point this offseason. The Rangers crashed and burned after Game 3 against Tampa and never could bounce back. Even Tampa was sitting back and trapping and were only looking to counterpunch from Game 3 on. What sucked is that it worked because the Rangers were just as gassed. As cliche as it sounds, they didn't get the puck deep and keep the puck and let Tampa back in the series on some pretty fortunate bounces and plain bad defensive zone play due to fatigue.
If Panarin comes back into camp out of shape again he should sit until he's in game shape. No excuses now. The window is open.
If Panarin comes back into camp out of shape again he should sit until he's in game shape. No excuses now. The window is open.
No effen way. Ferraro has talked for years about how there is no better kid in the league and he had a kid in the league. Also, I'm sure Sean Connery in The Rock was a boozebag but he still knew the route into and out of Alcatraz. TyJo will be our Mason.
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I rate this 9 Jovanovskis out of 10.
I always thought Naslund would make a good Ranger. I wish he’d stayed longer. I wish we’d had a better coach for him and Gaborik.
I have yet to see one single poster on the this forum present a solution for signing Andrew Copp and navigating the cap situation in 23-24. If you suggest signing Copp, please explain what happens the following season. There is just no way we can make it work without moving multiple young assets already in the lineup. Signing Copp means goodbye to 2 of Lafreniere, Miller, Lindgren, Kakko, Chytil.
No… Kreider, Trouba, and Panarin are not moveable until the summer of 2024.
No… Kreider, Trouba, and Panarin are not moveable until the summer of 2024.
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The Rangers don't have the money for PLD in a long-term deal. He is two years away from group III. The Rangers have over 60% of their cap tied up in six players. It doesn't work.
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He is just so slow nowadays, would rather gamble on someone with potential to be/become a player that can contribute in the POs.
I am a — big — fan of Kaiden Guhle. Think he is one of the more underrated prospects league wide.
What Tampa does well besides having a big blueline, great speed at center ice and a great mix on the blueline — is that they also play a really high defense. Their quick centers get back to provide support for their Ds and their Ds are all good at standing up attackers on defense.
This is an underrated source of offense. LAK always lived on it during their peak. The other team of moving up ice. When you can get a break against a team in that position it’s dangerous.
Guhle is a force in that regard. He isn’t heavy set on his skates, but really strong and can just take away his side of the ice.
He is also one of my favorites to get in a Nils trade.
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Okay sure, but who are you getting to do that that is affordable and available
Re @I Eat Crow’s Montreal suggestion, another kid I would be interested in from Montreal 7 days of the weak is Cole Caufield.
Why would we need another winger?
From my POV it totally changes the outlook of what we can get by with at center on Panarin’s line. Like I don’t believe that Zibanejad’s line ever will be able to handle the toughest match-ups. At best they can be 0-0 in those match-ups, and historically they are destroyed by the Perfection Line and the likes. It’s a counter attack line, they are big and heavy and create a lot of turnovers, and a line that is like glue on the puck and don’t give it away just parks in the attacking zone against Ziba’s line. This have been the case for 3 years, why would it change now?
So our only hope IMO is to build a top possession line of our 2nd or 3rd line. How can we do that? Like you don’t need that speed at center ice if you have Marchand and Pasternak on the wings, Panarin or Kane.
Many often refer to how Panarin have had success with immobile centers like Anisimov and PLD. That is true. But with them — he had Kane and Cam Atkinson on the other side. It totally changes the outlook of a line if you have someone like Kane/Atkinson on the other side or a PF.
If we got Caufield, he would be a lethal option opposite to Panarin. But Caufield is also really quick on lose pucks and reads the game well.
So with Caufield, heck, Goodrow could center the 2nd line. Even if I would prefer that Laf is moved to center, it widens our alternative a lot.
Why would we need another winger?
From my POV it totally changes the outlook of what we can get by with at center on Panarin’s line. Like I don’t believe that Zibanejad’s line ever will be able to handle the toughest match-ups. At best they can be 0-0 in those match-ups, and historically they are destroyed by the Perfection Line and the likes. It’s a counter attack line, they are big and heavy and create a lot of turnovers, and a line that is like glue on the puck and don’t give it away just parks in the attacking zone against Ziba’s line. This have been the case for 3 years, why would it change now?
So our only hope IMO is to build a top possession line of our 2nd or 3rd line. How can we do that? Like you don’t need that speed at center ice if you have Marchand and Pasternak on the wings, Panarin or Kane.
Many often refer to how Panarin have had success with immobile centers like Anisimov and PLD. That is true. But with them — he had Kane and Cam Atkinson on the other side. It totally changes the outlook of a line if you have someone like Kane/Atkinson on the other side or a PF.
If we got Caufield, he would be a lethal option opposite to Panarin. But Caufield is also really quick on lose pucks and reads the game well.
So with Caufield, heck, Goodrow could center the 2nd line. Even if I would prefer that Laf is moved to center, it widens our alternative a lot.
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The optimal solution would be to get that "young cost controlled 2C" everyone is talking about. However, I think we all know it's just a pipe dream, guys like that (who even is there who fits this category, Dach?) are not available, unless we are ready to part with some of our big guns (read: Laf or Miller).
Maybe the best option would be playing the Kid line as the 2nd line, meaning Chytil getting his shot and sliding to 2C. Then sign a good 3C who could slide in as 2C but would be cheaper than Copp. Nicolas Roy would be the go to choice here, think he'll get something in the Goodrow range cap wise?
CapFriendly is very easy to use. It is very doable to keep Copp, Braun, and Motte, depending on what the latter 2 want. And if Motte prices himself out there are other options similar to him.
Copp at $5.25 x 5
Motte at $2.5 x 3
Braun at $1 x 1
C.Lindgren at $900k x 2 — or Holtby/Halak for slightly more.
Kakko at $2 x 2 —- less than Chytil
Jones promoted
Nemeth traded
If really needed, you can move Hunt and also have Jones start in the AHL for the first month or so as cap space accumulates.
It is doable.
I would definitely try to handle it the way Carolina handled losing Dougie Hamilton last summer or the way we handled our hole at RHS PPQB. Carolina signed a “suspect” UFA (TDA), they traded for a guy who had potential but hadn’t put it together (Ethan Bear) and had stockpiled on prospects (Keane and co). Someone came out of it. For the PPQB we drafted Nils, traded for a player in TDA and traded for an unsigned draftee in Fox.
What does this mean in practice, which centers should we get? I don’t know, but we should look across the board and certainly in these cathegories:
- Are their guys out there who haven’t broken out for their current team, but like Strome can do it pushed by Panarin? A Nic Petan? A Alex Nylander? There are alternatives.
- Other teams’ prospects. Guys like Newhook, Dach, Dallas’ center prospects and so forth. Hard to make prospect for prospect trades, but not unheard of.
- Are their any suspects out there? When I did my due diligence in this cathegory I stumbled across someone like Brendan Leipsic. He fits the suspect bill alright lol. But facts are that GG really liked him in Vegas and he was only moved to make room for Reeves. Leipsic isn’t much unlike Strome on the ice.
- Especially at center, many players that have played a lot of center in junior are moves to the wing as pros to get more freedom and less responsibly, but then moved back to center after a few years and take off from there. I mentioned someone like Yamamoto.
Like I can’t map out the alternatives with this approach, but it’s what I believe in. Get 2-3 guys and hope someone will pan out. If this guy is playing with Panarin, it’s not exactly like finding a needle in a haystack.
OK, is that the case now. For a while there he was even rumored to be asking to be moved.
The Rangers need to finish off playoff series in 5 games or less.
The Rangers played 14 games in the first two rounds. The Rangers played every other day with the condensed schedule.
TB had a week off before the Rangers series and it showed after the first two games.
Colorado is the fresher team in the finals. The Avs swept Nashville and Edmonton. The Avs beat the Blues in 6. TB is tired and beat up from the last couple of seasons. TB played a tough 7 game series with Toronto and tough 6 game series with the Rangers.
Just for the record, Chytil is far from untouchable in my book. I would trade him for Caulfield.
Chytil get a ton of praise for his POs. He is a center and had 2 assists in 20 games. He never set up his wingers. To me he proved that he would be an awesome 4th line center and perhaps an OK 3rd line center.
Sure, we have done a piss poor job developing, the kid has insane character, he might turn into something he hasn’t showed yet. But…
Chytil get a ton of praise for his POs. He is a center and had 2 assists in 20 games. He never set up his wingers. To me he proved that he would be an awesome 4th line center and perhaps an OK 3rd line center.
Sure, we have done a piss poor job developing, the kid has insane character, he might turn into something he hasn’t showed yet. But…
