Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVII

[Fugazy]

I think he will. I'm guessing Quinn wanted someone with NHL experience to lean on during his first year. Now that he is more comfortable I would presume that Quinn brings in his own guy and we see a drastic improvement in our defense next year.

That would be ideal and make this offseason even more amazing.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I'm not overly fascinated with Ristoleinen. It's a discussion point.

I know, I was just busting your chops after having to read about Hanzal, Nichushkin, et al all season (stop that by the way!)

I don’t think there’s really anything reasonable that we can move Zibanejad for at this point. You’d need a blue chip prospect and a high pick to make it worth it, and you’d be hoping that those pieces can exceed what Mika is now. Remember, this is a 30-40 #1C that spent ~12 games on a no offense line with Namestnikov and Fast. Considering where we are, and how much of a step he took this year to be a leader on this team, it just doesn’t make sense to trade him.

The only potential reason he’d be moved is his NMC kicking in this summer, but I think he’s more than earned his right to that based on this season. We should be looking to build around him as a focal piece on this rebuild, and this rebuild should be about developing guys like Mika in the age 24-26 range as much as it is about the guys in the 19-22 y/o range.

 

[Cag29]

That's very fair. I would agree.

So basically people would be looking more for:

COL 1st + ______ for Zibanejad

Again, I'm not saying I want to trade him. I'm just trying to determine where people have his value. Anyone is available for the right price and I'm sure there are teams out there who would pay out the nose for him

Col 1st #4 plus Cale Makar got Zibby. Or no thank you.

 

[eco's bones]

Panthers have about $62 mil invested into 16 players--signing both Bobrovsky and Panarin will not leave them a lot to work with. There will be some savings once they figure out how to dump Reimer (that will put them back to 15 players)... still......to make that work and have 20/21 man roster it will be really tight. They need goaltending more than anything else. Luongo is ancient and has issues playing back to back games. Reimer just kind of sucks. Montambeault is the No. 3 in their organization. He's been around for a while.

 

[kovazub94]

Shattenkirk wasn't great but giving him an F is kind of stupid. Hard to take that very seriously. Skjei is a top 4--playing him like he's a top 2 is a problem. Giving him an F for last year is full blown idiotic. Kreider faded at the end. He was playing hurt--not hard to see why he faded. I expect more out of Carpinello than that.

That said if we could move Shatty--great. I'm all for it. If we could dump Smith that would be great too.

Agree with everything except expecting more out of Carp. Fail. : )

 

[Lone Ranger]

**** me. I knew he'd land somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if the Flyers have a good year next year.

Tanner Glass just posted a picture at the "Rocky" statue.

 

[duhmetreE]

IF FLA spends $20M on Bob and Panarin ( which I just can't comprehend ), I'd love to 'buy-low' on Trochek.

I honestly dont see FLA spending that much money to bolster their offense. Their issue is goaltending and defense... but logic and common sense

I've been saying it for a while but I see the Islanders as the #1 spot for Panarin.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

IF FLA spends $20M on Bob and Panarin ( which I just can't comprehend ), I'd love to 'buy-low' on Trochek.

I don’t think they’ll get rid of Trochek at all, let alone sell him at a discount. Hoffman’s probably the one to go

 

[kovazub94]

If Panarin signed with us I'd be thinking about putting him on a line with Kakko.

Zibanejad - Buch combo can support one of rookie wingers, Panarin - Strome would be able support another young winger or center in top-6. Kravtsov (likelier) or Kakko will possibly start his acclimation to NA in the AHL.

Kakko - Ziba - Buch
Panarin - Chytil - Strome
Lemieux - Howden - Names
Fast - LA - Boo (Kravtsov)

But I care more about how D works out and it is way more depressing.

 

[kovazub94]

Stop gaps can be signed.

Who are these stop gaps? Because if they fail the pressure will get turned on rookies (and their development compromised) just the same, which was the main point of the post you were responding.

 

[Bluto]

Panarin would be the best FA signing in NYR history. He's much better than Gaborik and Nash. He not only expedites the rebuild, but makes the players around him better and puts the Rangers in a spot to compete quicker. I don't understand why people are so against signing him, NYR has the cap room...

 

[duhmetreE]

Panarin would be the best FA signing in NYR history. He's much better than Gaborik and Nash. He not only expedites the rebuild, but makes the players around him better and puts the Rangers in a spot to compete quicker. I don't understand why people are so against signing him, NYR has the cap room...

because we're on HF.

We want lottery picks and prospects

 

[Fugazy]

Panarin would be the best FA signing in NYR history. He's much better than Gaborik and Nash. He not only expedites the rebuild, but makes the players around him better and puts the Rangers in a spot to compete quicker. I don't understand why people are so against signing him, NYR has the cap room...

He’s also on the right side of 30 so the last half of a long term deal would (hopefully) not be as bad as others in the past.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

because we're on HF.

We want lottery picks and prospects

Or we want to rebuild a team the right way. An "accelerated rebuild" is a myth.

 

[Bluto]

Or we want to rebuild a team the right way. An "accelerated rebuild" is a myth.

Adding Panarin would be rebuilding the right way.... He puts up the point totals that people say is Kakko's ceiling and best part is that NYR can get him for free. he's 27. He's still got 7 years left of solid productivity.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Adding Panarin would be rebuilding the right way.... He puts up the point totals that people say is Kakko's ceiling and best part is that NYR can get him for free. he's 27. He's still got 7 years left of solid productivity.

7 years? The LARGE majority of players start to go south 29-30. To think he's going to be giving you the same production at 35 that he is at 28 goes against common sense.

Building teams around high priced free agents is not building the right way. It's actually the proven wrong way to do it. It takes this team from bad to mediocre. Mediocre is worse than bad.

 

[Matt4776]

Adding Panarin would be rebuilding the right way.... He puts up the point totals that people say is Kakko's ceiling and best part is that NYR can get him for free. he's 27. He's still got 7 years left of solid productivity.

That's a very optimistic projection.

 

[Bluto]

7 years? The LARGE majority of players start to go south 29-30. To think he's going to be giving you the same production at 35 that he is at 28 goes against common sense.

Building teams around high priced free agents is not building the right way. It's actually the proven wrong way to do it. It takes this team from bad to mediocre. Mediocre is worse than bad.

You're not building the team around a high priced free agent. You are adding the best free agent to hit the market in a decade to add to the solid base of prospects. Think of it as trading Zuccarello for Panarin. you get 4 years back. Panarin is the kind of player who will be very productive well into his 30's. He's a superstar in his own right.

 

[Fitzy]

Panarin would be the best FA signing in NYR history. He's much better than Gaborik and Nash. He not only expedites the rebuild, but makes the players around him better and puts the Rangers in a spot to compete quicker. I don't understand why people are so against signing him, NYR has the cap room...

There can be an argument that he's better, but certainly not "Much better"

I also see the asset management argument to add Panarin and trade Kreider. But this all rests on the assumption that he'd sign with the Rangers.

 

[duhmetreE]

Or we want to rebuild a team the right way. An "accelerated rebuild" is a myth.

There's no guide or 'right way' to rebuild. It's about getting the good assets to lay a foundation. There's more ways than just lottery picks.

Did EDM and BUF do it the right way?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

You're not building the team around a high priced free agent. You are adding the best free agent to hit the market in a decade to add to the solid base of prospects. Think of it as trading Zuccarello for Panarin. you get 4 years back. Panarin is the kind of player who will be very productive well into his 30's. He's a superstar in his own right.

When you pay one player a large chunk of your cap space, you are absolutely building around him. An 11 million dollar player is not a "complimentary" player. He will be expected to be best player on the team. He will be expected to play in all situations. That is building around a player. Again, to number of players who are productive into their 30's is incredibly slim, and there's been nothing to suggest that he will be one of the players that bucks that trend since the names on that list are guys like Crosby, Ovechkin, etc, and he is not on that level.

That is completely besides the fact that again, they turns this team from a bad team to a mediocre team. That doesn't advance the rebuild - it stalls it.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

There's no guide or 'right way' to rebuild. It's about getting the good assets to lay a foundation. There's more ways than just lottery picks.

Did EDM and BUF do it the right way?

No, because Edmonton and Buffalo are poorly managed and added high priced free agents to their rosters when they shouldn't have. Not sure why that needs to keep being repeated.

 

[DanielBrassard]

There can be an argument that he's better, but certainly not "Much better"

I also see the asset management argument to add Panarin and trade Kreider. But this all rests on the assumption that he'd sign with the Rangers.

I don't know if he's better, but he's certainly a more well-rounded offensive player than either of Gaborik or Nash so hopefully that would allow him to produce at a higher rate longer than those 2.

 

[Fitzy]

Or we want to rebuild a team the right way. An "accelerated rebuild" is a myth.

Rebuilds can take a variety of time. Chicago was in the conference finals only 2 years after drafting Kane 1st overall and 3 years after Toews. Without a significant player over 29, I might add. They added Campbell as a big free agent splash who was a big help for them for a few years.

Edmonton, on the other hand, has been rebuilding since 2009.

 

[duhmetreE]

7 years? The LARGE majority of players start to go south 29-30. To think he's going to be giving you the same production at 35 that he is at 28 goes against common sense.

Building teams around high priced free agents is not building the right way. It's actually the proven wrong way to do it. It takes this team from bad to mediocre. Mediocre is worse than bad.

Is Panarin like the LARGE majority of players? lol we're moving into the late 20's now.. 29? Who is arguing he'll be the same player at 35?

If he signs a 7 year deal, he'll be 34.