Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVII

[TheBloodyNine]

What are you, 7 years old?

Who cares? I'm trying to make a bet, it doesn't concern you.

 

[RGY]

What are you, 7 years old?

He must be. Because that is one of the most childish posts I have come across in my 14 years being a member.

What a joke. He is a waste of time.

 

[Thirty One]

I wasn’t the one he was talking to

Boy, do I feel sheepish.

 

[Thirty One]

He must be. Because that is one of the most childish posts I have come across in my 14 years being a member.

What a joke. He is a waste of time.

Let's try this again:

Sounds like you're backing down.

 

[bl02]

Let's make a bet. I'll bet that they have the same or less points that they had this season, you bet that they have more. Loser is banned from HFBoards. Deal?

Be careful you would have lost that bet last year this time but If I have a feeling we will be around the same point mark next year. That is fine with me as long as the kids show some progress and have some good moments. I don't wanna have a 65 point season and for guys like Chytil, ADA, Lemieux and Hajek to stop improving.

 

[RGY]

Anyways, I think they should sign Panarin. They may not. He may choose Florida, but I definitely think they will give it a go. They have Shesty and Kravtsov lined up for contracts on May 1st. Draft Kakko. Maybe they can get into the Top 10 for a second pick.

We will see what happens. Gorton will ice a competitive team.

 

[Off Sides]

If he is 7 years old he'd be 14 by the time Panarin's contract ended.

In a way, much of the Rangers build will also be going through a transition from draft to playing in the NHL version of puberty that entire time too.

 

[Tawnos]

He must be. Because that is one of the most childish posts I have come across in my 14 years being a member.

What a joke. He is a waste of time.

We went through this same stuff last year, and the Rangers spent a lot of this season being better than expected. Led to lots of hand wringing.

Like me, you’re arguing against predicting the future. We don’t know what’s to come. We don’t know just what strides DeAngelo, Pionk, Hajek, Lindgren, Buchnevich, Chytil, Andersson, Howden, and Georgiev will take this summer. We don’t know exactly how effective Kravtsov and Kakko/Hughes might be. We don’t know if Shesterkin is the second coming of 23-year old Lundqvist. Hell, Ryan Strome is about to be the same age Brassard was when he figured it out.

I’m as skeptical as anyone about the state of our defense. I’d be surprised if it improves. But there’s a vast gulf between saying I’d be surprised and predicting they’ll be the same or worse.

We just don’t know. And that’s what makes this stuff exciting to me.

 

[RGY]

Let's try this again:

Sounds like you're backing down.

No reason to make a childish bet on an internet message board. Like I said waste of time.

 

[Thirty One]

No reason to make a childish bet on an internet message board. Like I said waste of time.

Especially since if you win, he's just going to make an alternate account.

 

[Matt4776]

We went through this same stuff last year, and the Rangers spent a lot of this season being better than expected. Led to lots of hand wringing.

Like me, you’re arguing against predicting the future. We don’t know what’s to come. We don’t know just what strides DeAngelo, Pionk, Hajek, Lindgren, Buchnevich, Chytil, Andersson, Howden, and Georgiev will take this summer. We don’t know exactly how effective Kravtsov and Kakko/Hughes might be. We don’t know if Shesterkin is the second coming of 23-year old Lundqvist.

I’m as skeptical as anyone about the state of our defense. I’d be surprised if it improves. But there’s a vast gulf between saying I’d be surprised and predicting they’ll be the same or worse.

We just don’t know. And that’s what makes this stuff exciting to me.

That's just not true.

You're making a $70 million prediction that a free agent that we may sign will still be productive late into his contract.

I am not against signing UFAs. Hell, I'm not even necessarily against signing pricey UFAs. But, the time has to be right, for the exact reason you said. I'm not trying to predict far into the future.

 

[Ghost of jas]

We went through this same stuff last year, and the Rangers spent a lot of this season being better than expected. Led to lots of hand wringing.

Like me, you’re arguing against predicting the future. We don’t know what’s to come. We don’t know just what strides DeAngelo, Pionk, Hajek, Lindgren, Buchnevich, Chytil, Andersson, Howden, and Georgiev will take this summer. We don’t know exactly how effective Kravtsov and Kakko/Hughes might be. We don’t know if Shesterkin is the second coming of 23-year old Lundqvist.

I’m as skeptical as anyone about the state of our defense. I’d be surprised if it improves. But there’s a vast gulf between saying I’d be surprised and predicting they’ll be the same or worse.

We just don’t know. And that’s what makes this stuff exciting to me.

Were they really better than expected? They had the least amount of ROWs. They were two points away from being 5th overall, and had very few debilitating injuries. By my prediction, they were better than expected, but I had them bottom 3. Just about everyone else had them in the area where they finished.

 

[RGY]

We went through this same stuff last year, and the Rangers spent a lot of this season being better than expected. Led to lots of hand wringing.

Like me, you’re arguing against predicting the future. We don’t know what’s to come. We don’t know just what strides DeAngelo, Pionk, Hajek, Lindgren, Buchnevich, Chytil, Andersson, Howden, and Georgiev will take this summer. We don’t know exactly how effective Kravtsov and Kakko/Hughes might be. We don’t know if Shesterkin is the second coming of 23-year old Lundqvist.

I’m as skeptical as anyone about the state of our defense. I’d be surprised if it improves. But there’s a vast gulf between saying I’d be surprised and predicting they’ll be the same or worse.

We just don’t know. And that’s what makes this stuff exciting to me.

I just dont like being told what will happen in the future when anyone’s guess is as good as the next person. To be so arrogant and speak in absolutes is absurd. Panarin wont sign with the Rangers. The team will be just as bad, if not worse next year. They are looking at potentially replacing Hayes/Zucc with Kakko/Kravtsov. And if you add Panarin then you could be looking at a better forward group. Who knows. No one does. The offseason hasnt started. They could end up with Fox. What if Fox comes in and plays very well? Should we be mad? Should we not have acquired him in the first place because it ruined our chance at another lottery pick?

 

[NYR Viper]

One thing to consider as well. If the Rangers sign Panarin, say at $9.5m per season for 7 years. In year 3 of his deal, he will be 29. That $9.5m cap hit will be a smaller proportion of the total cap. So a $9.5m Panarin May be worth $11 or $12m by that time. In theory, the Rangers could have Panarin for less than market value if the deal is right when first signed.

Most UFA’s reach that status at 28 or 29. Panarin is a bit of an enigma because of the way he came into the league. Stone was similar.

I’m not advocating signing him to an $11m deal. Hell I’m not sure advocating signing him at all. In saying all of that there are some scenarios where he would make some sense.

 

[Ghost of jas]

That's just not true.

You're making a $70 million prediction that a free agent that we may sign will still be productive late into his contract.

I am not against signing UFAs. Hell, I'm not even necessarily against signing pricey UFAs. But, the time has to be right, for the exact reason you said. I'm not trying to predict far into the future.

My worry is you're likely wasting the first year or two of his contract, in addition to losing financial flexibility on a player who's neither a 1st line center nor top pairing Dman.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

He must be. Because that is one of the most childish posts I have come across in my 14 years being a member.

What a joke. He is a waste of time.

Hit the ignore button then. Or take the bet if you feel confident.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Y’all need to chill.

Just remember we got Kakko.

 

[Tawnos]

Were they really better than expected? They had the least amount of ROWs. They were two points away from being 5th overall, and had very few debilitating injuries. By my prediction, they were better than expected, but I had them bottom 3. Just about everyone else had them in the area where they finished.

In the end, they were where people expected. But I think the expectation from a lot of people was more like they would be a bad team most of the season and somewhat worse post deadline. Instead, they were a mediocre team most of the season and truly awful post-deadline.

They also played 80% of their games within a goal in the final couple of minutes in regulation, which is why I kinda dismiss the ROW number. They won a bunch of shootouts, but were also good enough to get to those shootouts.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I just dont like being told what will happen in the future when anyone’s guess is as good as the next person. To be so arrogant and speak in absolutes is absurd. Panarin wont sign with the Rangers. The team will be just as bad, if not worse next year. They are looking at potentially replacing Hayes/Zucc with Kakko/Kravtsov. And if you add Panarin then you could be looking at a better forward group. Who knows. No one does. The offseason hasnt started. They could end up with Fox. What if Fox comes in and plays very well? Should we be mad? Should we not have acquired him in the first place because it ruined our chance at another lottery pick?

Where have I heard that before? Kreider will easily replace Dubinsky's production. Miller can easily step in right away. Andersson and Chytil will be 40 point players this year. There's a lesson in there somewhere to be learned. I think it's better to not make such assumption with rookies.

 

[eco's bones]

Anyways, I think they should sign Panarin. They may not. He may choose Florida, but I definitely think they will give it a go. They have Shesty and Kravtsov lined up for contracts on May 1st. Draft Kakko. Maybe they can get into the Top 10 for a second pick.

We will see what happens. Gorton will ice a competitive team.

Kravtsov will benefit as well if Panarin signs with us.

 

[kovazub94]

This is getting out of control.

Seriously. Whatever you (not You) think of Panarin the difference between him and Parise, Nash, Gaborik, even Richards just before coming over is marginal in the big scheme of things. Hockey is a team sport and a degree of difference between all of these great players is not that significant in the context of team's impact. Please use other reasons for why this signing would be different if you do comparison.

 

[RGY]

Hit the ignore button then. Or take the bet if you feel confident.

Grow up and stop being a pathetic fan that basically asking for a bet that would involve him “winning” if his team loses.

Pathetic.

 

[kovazub94]

There are two things that would both need to happen, and could legitimately happen, to make this team better next season.

1. Georgiev or Shestyorkin could have a 23 year old season like Lundqvist did.
2. Kakko/Hughes or Kravtsov can have a rookie year like Pettersson did.

If both those things happen, we’ll finish around 10th from the bottom. Big ifs, but not really out of the realm of reality.

These are not the only things that could happen next year. What will happen is that Buchnevich, Chytil, Andersson, Howden, Lemieux (ADA & Pionk too) as a group will be better next season.

 

[SA16]

But would you At least Consider panarin On a league minmum deal without a Nmc?

 

[RGY]

Where have I heard that before? Kreider will easily replace Dubinsky's production. Miller can easily step in right away. Andersson and Chytil will be 40 point players this year. There's a lesson in there somewhere to be learned. I think it's better to not make such assumption with rookies.

Who said Andersson was going to be a 40 point player this year? I know I didnt. Sure I am banking on players/prospects improving next year. That is my belief. You can disagree. That is fine. Does not mean either of us will be right or wrong. We wont know until the season plays out.