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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVII

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Trading Kreider plus small add for 7th-9th overall

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Berserk said:
They mentioned the Rangers...awhile ago. But it's been pretty much all panthers since they signed Q because A)They signed Q who he loved playing for, B)He was already rumored to go there C)His friend Bobrovsky is also heavily rumored to be going there, D)They have a better team than us that is more ready to compete and E) Florida is a no-tax state. You keep trying to play like I'm guessing at this but all of the facts I'm citing are more than enough to prove my point.

I don't know it all. But I certainly know how to read a situation better than you do.
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I never said he wasnt going to Florida. Youre the one making claims that is hands down a definite and that the Rangers will not be involved basically. Until he has signed somewhere you are just guessing. The Rangers will be in on Panarin. They dont have to drop any info to the media at this point.
 
NYR Viper said:
Question for everyone. Would anyone consider:

Ristoleinen + BUF 1st '19 for Zibanejad

Flame away. Just a thought I had earlier today when looking around the league.
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I don’t think their first is high enough for me to even consider that, I’d want my pick of the centers if they’re trading Zibanejad, not a hope that their guy drops. Plus Ristoleinen isn’t good
 
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Berserk said:
This has nothing to do with trading Mika. These players can learn to be good behind him. They don't need a high-priced free agent UFA in order to learn how to play the game in the NHL. There are plenty of other players they can get to help alleviate that concern that aren't going to take out a large chunk of cap space. A great player is going to learn how to be great regardless of who else is on his team. If Kakko busts I don't think we are going to look back and say "Damn if only we had Panarin on the team he would have been a superstar!" They can also lean on each other, build each other up, grow as a team.
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Sure it does. You said great players will be great no matter what and we shouldn't "baby" them by surrounding them with decent talent.

I'm asking where the line is. Don't add Panarin in we can because that's babying the kids. So why not trade Mika too? Is him being here not babying the kids? Why not throw every rookie into the position that's their ceiling and let them sink or swim? Where's the line?

Who are these players who are going to help these kids in a meaningful way without taking a large chunk of cap space? Look at recent UFA deals - anyone who is decent or better gets money and years. And our assets are tied up in futures (as they should be). So where do those experienced players who can insulate the kids come from?

They can and should and will lean on each other, build each other up and learn as a team. But they'll do it better if we don't throw them into the fire and cross our fingers that it goes great.
 
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RGY said:
I never said he wasnt going to Florida. Youre the one making claims that is hands down a definite and that the Rangers will not be involved basically. Until he has signed somewhere you are just guessing. The Rangers will be in on Panarin. They dont have to drop any info to the media at this point.
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They're always "in" on all the high priced free agents. But to think that they are going to bend over backwards to get him here is the antithesis of their plan and goes against everything they have done so far. If anything they will offer a "Take it or leave it" deal which will most certainly be a team favorable offer and significantly worse than the offer he will likely get from Florida, who is going all the way in.
 
GeorgeKaplan said:
I don’t think their first is high enough for me to even consider that, I’d want my pick of the centers if they’re trading Zibanejad, not a hope that their guy drops. Plus Ristoleinen isn’t good
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That's very fair. I would agree.

So basically people would be looking more for:

COL 1st + ______ for Zibanejad

Again, I'm not saying I want to trade him. I'm just trying to determine where people have his value. Anyone is available for the right price and I'm sure there are teams out there who would pay out the nose for him
 
haveandare said:
Sure it does. You said great players will be great no matter what and we shouldn't "baby" them by surrounding them with decent talent.

I'm asking where the line is. Don't add Panarin in we can because that's babying the kids. So why not trade Mika too? Is him being here not babying the kids? Why not throw every rookie into the position that's their ceiling and let them sink or swim? Where's the line?

Who are these players who are going to help these kids in a meaningful way without taking a large chunk of cap space? Look at recent UFA deals - anyone who is decent or better gets money and years. And our assets are tied up in futures (as they should be). So where do those experienced players who can insulate the kids come from?

They can and should and will lean on each other, build each other up and learn as a team. But they'll do it better if we don't throw them into the fire and cross our fingers that it goes great.
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No, I did not say that. I said they don't need high priced free agents to do so. You can get "decent talent" and not have it be an 11 million dollar a year player. Mika can most certainly be one of the guys that can help them along the way.
 
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NYR Viper said:
That's very fair. I would agree.

So basically people would be looking more for:

COL 1st + ______ for Zibanejad

Again, I'm not saying I want to trade him. I'm just trying to determine where people have his value. Anyone is available for the right price and I'm sure there are teams out there who would pay out the nose for him
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The only way I would entertain trading Zibs, is packaging him to get back a better center. That's not happening
 
NYR Viper said:
That's very fair. I would agree.

So basically people would be looking more for:

COL 1st + ______ for Zibanejad

Again, I'm not saying I want to trade him. I'm just trying to determine where people have his value. Anyone is available for the right price and I'm sure there are teams out there who would pay out the nose for him
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That’d probably be my price for him. I don’t view him as an elite center, I see him as a mid-tierish 1C, but the Rangers don’t have to move him, he’s on a great contract, and he’s really good insulation for figuring out which of the kids they want to keep at center
 
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NYR Viper said:
I was just curious about what type of deal people would expect for Zibanejad. I don't want to trade him. But Risto is a top-4 RD at 24 years old. Has multiple 40+ point seasons. And the Buffalo pick is top-10.
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The most minus player ever. Terrible 5v5. Would rather have Pionk
 
NYR Viper said:
Question for everyone. Would anyone consider:

Ristoleinen + BUF 1st '19 for Zibanejad

Flame away. Just a thought I had earlier today when looking around the league.
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It’s important to remember that Ristolainen is a very young D who has played a long time in a bad environment. Sure he has struggled, and I think I’ve seen that he is record bad in some metric cathegories.

But the kid still has a lot of raw abilities and intanglibles. I wouldn’t deal Zibanejad for him, but if Buff are shopping him I wouldn’t shut the door.
 
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Berserk said:
No, I did not say that. I said they don't need high priced free agents to do so. You can get "decent talent" and not have it be an 11 million dollar a year player. Mika can most certainly be one of the guys that can help them along the way.
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Where do we get a good enough talent to insulate and help along our young players without spending futures to do it? Of course it can be less than 11 million a year but even a decent top/middle 6 UFA is going to get a nice pay day. If we're forking over money and years I'd rather get the elite talent.
 
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Shattenkirk+? for Subban type swap? Turning 30.

Trade for Trouba and sign him for $7Mish.

I'm on the Trouba train. He makes a lot of sense
 
RGY said:
As stated maybe a 100 times, you sign Panarin for the 20-21 season. And that was stated before we landed the No. 2 pick.

Drafting a kid like Kakko accelerates a rebuild. It does change things. I know it bothers some who want to tank next year with the hope the Lottery lands the No. 1 pick.
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I look at it this way--whether you trade Kreider or not--next year you have Zibanejad and Buchnevich on one line and if you can get Panarin--him and Kakko on another. Not only does getting the No. 2 pick accelerate our rebuild but getting Panarin and putting him on the same line with Kakko accelerates Kakko ability to be all he can right out of the gate and I don't think it will hurt Chytil either if he figures onto one of those lines. This puts all of Buchnevich, Chytil and Kakko with good players that help get them to where they need to be faster. It's a better idea than buying up some team's garbage like Callahan just to turn a late 2nd into a late 1st...though we can do that too probably.

Panarin has never had a shit year--has never even shone signs of having a shit year. He's consistently been the same player for both Chicago and Columbus and he's still like 27/28 years old. He's smooth as silk as far as skating and moving the puck around. He has a very high hockey IQ. He doesn't have an injury history. He's a player that can help other players become better players. He won't be available next season and it's likely there won't be anyone nearly as good as he is next summer.
 
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NYR Viper said:
I'm not overly fascinated with Ristoleinen. It's a discussion point.
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I think it is actually a fair proposal. I don't think it makes sense for us given the uncertainty of Chytil, Kravtsov, Andersson, Howden, etc. But yeah. This is the type of deal you make when your young guys start taking major steps forward and you're dealing from a position of strength rather than a position of weakness. I like it.
 
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Gardner McKay said:
I think it is actually a fair proposal. I don't think it makes sense for us given the uncertainty of Chytil, Kravtsov, Andersson, Howden, etc. But yeah. This is the type of deal you make when your young guys start taking major steps forward and you're dealing from a position of strength rather than a position of weakness. I like it.
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Be careful, the fruit throwing has begun and you just walked into the line of fire.
 
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YOY the Islanders dropped their GoalsAllowed by 100. Yes, Goaltending had some part in it but it's amazing what good/solid coaching does.

Ruff needs to go. I'd expect more of the same if he's not axed.
 
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duhmetreE said:
YOY the Islanders dropped their GoalsAllowed by 100. Yes, Goaltending had some part in it but it's amazing what good/solid coaching does.

Ruff needs to go. I'd expect more of the same if he's not axed.
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I think he will. I'm guessing Quinn wanted someone with NHL experience to lean on during his first year. Now that he is more comfortable I would presume that Quinn brings in his own guy and we see a drastic improvement in our defense next year.
 
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