Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVII

[Tawnos]

Random question... Is there a trade freeze during the playoffs?

There isn’t, but I’ve alway gotten the sense (probably unfounded) that the league encourages teams not to do so because it would distract from the real showcase portion of the year.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

i would love a deal built around kreider and parayko.

some adds or whatever but thats a deal i could get behind.

Yeah and I want the Devils to trade us the 1 pick for Pionk.

 

[Edge]

There isn’t, but I’ve alway gotten the sense (probably unfounded) that the league encourages teams not to do so because it would distract from the real showcase portion of the year.

It’s traditionally been an unspoken rule.

 

[Vitto79]

So Kreider would get a late first on his own liking but not a top 10?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

There isn’t, but I’ve alway gotten the sense (probably unfounded) that the league encourages teams not to do so because it would distract from the real showcase portion of the year.

Gorton is a guy who would make a trade regardless of that if he really wanted to pull the trigger on something IMO

I could see him getting Fox before the playoffs end for example.

 

[Beacon]

Imagine we get two top 10 picks in NEXT year’s draft? In addition to Kakko?

Oh lordy. We’d be building 50-60 Canadiens type **** at that point.

No.

 

[Beacon]

I would trade Kreider and a small add for a pick in the 7 to 9 range. I dont see any of those teams doing that unless they are able to extend Kreider before trade completed.

There's no way we are getting that. Would you trade Kravtsov for an impending UFA who had 53 points? Or even 80 points? A team picking in the 7-9 range is rebuilding. In fact, the team picking 7th just had fewer points than the Rangers this year. What does an impending UFA do for them?

Kreider will get traded for a package similar to Hayes: a pick in the mid-to-late first plus a young player with limited upside. And honestly, getting a 22/23 year old third liner plus the chance to draft another K'Andre-like prospect sounds pretty good to me. You draft enough of these high risk, high reward prospects, eventually one will turn into an All Star.

 

[Thirty One]

There isn’t, but I’ve alway gotten the sense (probably unfounded) that the league encourages teams not to do so because it would distract from the real showcase portion of the year.

I've always thought it was weird timing for the junior players' deadline to sign being July 1 for that reason.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

There's no way we are getting that. Would you trade Kravtsov for an impending UFA who had 53 points? Or even 80 points? A team picking in the 7-9 range is rebuilding. In fact, the team picking 7th just had fewer points than the Rangers this year. What does an impending UFA do for them?

Kreider will get traded for a package similar to Hayes: a pick in the mid-to-late first plus a young player with limited upside. And honestly, getting a 22/23 year old third liner plus the chance to draft another K'Andre-like prospect sounds pretty good to me. You draft enough of these high risk, high reward prospects, eventually one will turn into an All Star.

Assuming Kreider gets traded that is.

 

[Beacon]

Why are people so willing to give up 4 straight first round picks with an offer sheet?

Because nobody has the patience to rebuild properly. We began hearing whining and demands for UFAs immediately after the 2018 trading deadline. People would rather be in the range of first round losses or just barely missing the playoffs but being competitive than be bad a few years and than suffer a few years and then win the Cup or two.

 

[Ori]

Yes rebuild the right way and don`t buy into playoffs and hurry the process. We will enjoy kakko & Kratsov invidual skills, but we more likely going to lose games like this season. And hopefully Jeff stay on the same course at least until 2020 summer draft next year, and hopefully we can add another quality top prospect as well.

 

[Beacon]

Yes rebuild the right way and don`t buy into playoffs and hurry the process. We will enjoy kakko & Kratsov invidual skills, but we more likely going to lose games like this season. And hopefully Jeff stay on the same course at least until 2020 summer draft next year, and hopefully we can add another quality top prospect as well.

While nobody here puts it that way, but the idea of signing UFAs and acquiring other veterans is based purely on the idea that 1) all our prospects hit their ceiling; 2) all of them do it no later than their 21 birthday.

Because if you assume some will bust and most of the rest will take until 23-25 years of age to get anywhere near their ceiling, there's no way you advocate signing UFAs this summer, not even our own.

 

[Ori]

Maybe not here, but some talk about Panarin signing this summer, maybe Erik Karlsson etc. etc. in Rangers Jim`s podcast - it won`t happen guys relax and enjoy our new drafted top prospects next season.

My other point @Beacon if we end up with a high profile UFA signing - it can ruin our chances next draft year. And Gorton cant risk that now so deep into the rebuild project and we can see the lights on the other side of the tunel, but we are not there yet with a Franchise player in 2019 in either Jack Hughes or Kakko as #2 nd oa pick. Yes true that can happen as well @Beacon - it`s hard to see the future of some of our prospects since 2017 draft.

 

[Good Intentions]

Gorton is a guy who would make a trade regardless of that if he really wanted to pull the trigger on something IMO

I could see him getting Fox before the playoffs end for example.

Nonsense. Gorton is the prototypical company man. It wasn’t his Bridgewater State education that got him this far..NHL is the most conservative, stay-within-the-line culture. If it’s not a time to announce a trade, it’s not happening.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Not sure if this was aready mentioned (havent seen it) but it might have been lost in the draft lottery

If Pavel Buchnevich and Tony DeAngelo represent players who seemed to respond to Quinn’s tough love, then what to make of Jimmy Vesey, who recorded one point — a goal — over the last 19 games?

Other, that is, than it is more likely the Harvard product will be somewhere else rather than in Tarrytown when training camp opens in September.

https://nypost.com/2019/04/08/rangers-should-brace-themselves-for-draft-lotterys-fickle-ways/

Thank f***ing god

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

No.

Imagine if Penguins had 2 HoF centers for their entire careers! They'd win the cup every year! Imagine if the Oilers had 2 100+ point centers, they'd finally get out of the rebuilding phase!

 

[Ola]

Protecting picks is kind of a sham anyway. Teams do it way too often in spots they should not.

I think GMs get away with it because everyone does it.

But I think it’s important to remember that Ottawa protected the 1st they traded to Colorado. The protecting part — as far as I know — is always an option to defer the pick. If you suck one year, you could very well suck the other...

 

[egelband]

Gorton has made his fiscal principles very clear with how he handled McDonagh, Hayes, and maybe to a lesser extent, Stepan. Not sure if Krieder's camp is somehow compelled to make a less ambitious offer. But I do think that when Gorton offers 4 years @ 6 million, Kreider won't be shocked.

(Note. I hate hoping a player takes less. I think all these guys should get all they can. But the damn salary cap...)

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Rather us offer sheet Mitch Marner.

I would offer sheet Marner and Point for 10m flat, each. Force them to either match or accept the compensation of 2 firsts, 1 second and 1 third

 

[haohmaru]

Random question... Is there a trade freeze during the playoffs?

You can make trades but the player(s) are ineligible to play for you this season.

Also, during the playoffs, it's an unwritten rule to keep the focus on the playoffs, not trades.

 

[SA16]

I think GMs get away with it because everyone does it.

But I think it’s important to remember that Ottawa protected the 1st they traded to Colorado. The protecting part — as far as I know — is always an option to defer the pick. If you suck one year, you could very well suck the other...

Yea. You can't protect it indefinitely. Ottawa protected the pick and then ended up the worst team in the league the next year.

I would offer sheet Marner and Point for 10m flat, each. Force them to either match or accept the compensation of 2 firsts, 1 second and 1 third

I doubt they even sign those (Marner for sure won't) and at that value it will just be matched. What's the point?

 

[eco's bones]

Because nobody has the patience to rebuild properly. We began hearing whining and demands for UFAs immediately after the 2018 trading deadline. People would rather be in the range of first round losses or just barely missing the playoffs but being competitive than be bad a few years and than suffer a few years and then win the Cup or two.

I don't think the Rangers have any intention of being bad for a few years though. And they were a competitive team in most games this year. Top of the league as far as one goal games and top of the league in giving up empty net goals which are goals you give up towards the end of one goal games. I don't think Quinn and his staff have any other intentions than to push this team into the playoffs next year and whether that happens or not I expect some improvement.

The other thing again and I brought this up the other day--teams are required to hit the cap floor. We're probably going to be okay this coming year and the next after but at the end of 20-21 all of Lundqvist, Shattenkirk, Staal and Smith come off the books and that's over $25 mil and that's a massive amount of money to come off the books at one time--keeping in mind the cap rising is not the friend of rebuilding teams--so yeah we're probably going back into free agency if not this year then next because doing all of that in the summer of 2021 will put the team in a marketplace that exists or doesn't--or we can't really project what will be available at that point in time but we will still be required to hit the cap floor. It will be either that or we will have to trade some of these young prospects for guys with contracts who will put us at the floor. Unless of course practically all of those entering their second contracts pan out. I don't expect that to happen. The thing is we are in the middle of the cycle--and at the end of the cycle if your team has divested itself of all its large contracts it will be time to get good again some way--some how.

Now some people's solutions might be to lock up Buchnevich and DeAngelo with $6 mil per year contracts this summer and to lock up Chytil, Andersson and Howden as soon as their ELC 's expire. What do you think of that? Better idea than to kick Panarin's tires?

 

[egelband]

Because nobody has the patience to rebuild properly. We began hearing whining and demands for UFAs immediately after the 2018 trading deadline. People would rather be in the range of first round losses or just barely missing the playoffs but being competitive than be bad a few years and than suffer a few years and then win the Cup or two.

You must be reading a different board than I am... Or you're being very selective.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yea. You can't protect it indefinitely. Ottawa protected the pick and then ended up the worst team in the league the next year.



I doubt they even sign those (Marner for sure won't) and at that value it will just be matched. What's the point?

Forcing them to commit.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Because nobody has the patience to rebuild properly. We began hearing whining and demands for UFAs immediately after the 2018 trading deadline. People would rather be in the range of first round losses or just barely missing the playoffs but being competitive than be bad a few years and than suffer a few years and then win the Cup or two.

Eh, what? This isn't Facebook where you see petitions to get Zuccarello back and compete next season. The vast majority here has committed to the rebuild.