Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[haohmaru]

Yes he does. I'd far prefer to pay him 4.9M to fix the RW situation and go cheap at C then pay one of these Centers 5M and go cheap at RW.

We are so thin at center if we don't re-sign Strome or find a cheaper, younger alternative that it won't matter who's playing 2nd line RW. And best of luck finding that cheap 2C option that every team in the league would love to have.

We have cheap RW playing in Russia. We don't have a decent 2C beyond Strome anywhere in the organization.

For next year, this isn't an option.

 

[SA16]

We are so thin at center if we don't re-sign Strome or find a cheaper, younger alternative that it won't matter who's playing 2nd line RW. And best of luck finding that cheap 2C option that every team in the league would love to have.

We have cheap RW playing in Russia. We don't have a decent 2C beyond Strome anywhere in the organization.

For next year, this isn't an option.

We are even thinner at RW. The cheap RW in Russia demanded a trade and doesn't want to play here. We have a cheap 2C option. Chytil. Barron. One of the cheap potential UFA (Bozak/Gagner/Domi/Spezza etc.) It really doesn't matter who it is. Every C Panarin has ever played with has produced. Whether it's been Mika, Strome, Anisimov, Dubois even Chytil. Absolute waste of money to spend on one.

 

[NYR Viper]

We are even thinner at RW. The cheap RW in Russia demanded a trade and doesn't want to play here. We have a cheap 2C option. Chytil. Barron. One of the cheap potential UFA (Bozak/Gagner/Domi/Spezza etc.) It really doesn't matter who it is. Every C Panarin has ever played with has produced. Whether it's been Mika, Strome, Anisimov, Dubois even Chytil. Absolute waste of money to spend on one.

Eh, if Lafrenire moves to RW, the team then has Kaako, Lafreniere, Blais, Goodrow, Barron(these two can play center as well) Pajuniemi, Kravtsov, Berard

Is it great at the NHL level? Maybe not. But I'm not sure I want to rush out to get a higher cost RW IF Lafreniere moves to RW on that top line.

Whereas at center, it's Zibanejad, Goodrow, Barron (these 2 may be wingers), Korczak, Grubbe

It's pretty clear the center spot is not as deep.

 

[SA16]

Eh, if Lafrenire moves to RW, the team then has Kaako, Lafreniere, Blais, Goodrow, Barron(these two can play center as well) Pajuniemi, Kravtsov, Berard

Is it great at the NHL level? Maybe not. But I'm not sure I want to rush out to get a higher cost RW IF Lafreniere moves to RW on that top line.

Paying a 2C is a waste of money. If you'd rather try the kids at RW than bringing in someone that's fine. They tried that this year. Didn't really work. Even if you wanted to try that and we had ~5M available I'd rather spend it to improve either the defense/backup goalie/several adequate third liners than to improve the 2C spot.

 

[McRanger92]

Paying a 2C is a waste of money. If you'd rather try the kids at RW than bringing in someone that's fine. They tried that this year. Didn't really work. Even if you wanted to try that and we had ~5M available I'd rather spend it to improve either the defense/backup goalie/several adequate third liners than to improve the 2C spot.

Id bet that if Strome walks they will play Panarin with Zibanejad & Kreider going forward. They don't NEED a C right now, but it will surely be the priority in the summer

 

[NYR Viper]

Paying a 2C is a waste of money. If you'd rather try the kids at RW than bringing in someone that's fine. They tried that this year. Didn't really work. Even if you wanted to try that and we had ~5M available I'd rather spend it to improve either the defense/backup goalie/several adequate third liners than to improve the 2C spot.

I'm not sure I see it as a true waste of money but improving the 3rd line should be a priority for sure. I actually don't mind Goodrow as the 3C so I think the team is fine there.

I'm less thrilled about a possible Bozak/Domi 2C however.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The dead cap space of ~$3.45m is really a killer next year. No way around it.

Getting rid of Nemeth and Tinordi next season would pretty much zero it out, even though you still gotta replace those guys.

 

[SA16]

I'm not sure I see it as a true waste of money but improving the 3rd line should be a priority for sure. I actually don't mind Goodrow as the 3C so I think the team is fine there.

I'm less thrilled about a possible Bozak/Domi 2C however.

When you have limited funds to spend choosing to spend them on a center to play with Panarin, who has already proven to produce relatively independent of his linemates, rather than improving actual weaknesses is not a good idea.

 

[RangerBoy]

Nemeth has a cheap buyout.

 

[McRanger92]

Getting rid of Nemeth and Tinordi next season would pretty much zero it out, even though you still gotta replace those guys.

I dont think it would be very popular in the room, but with the abundance of young defenseman showing they can play in the NHL moving Lindgren in the summer has to be on the table. He's similar to Strome in that hes a really good player, but not a core piece they absolutely need to win a Cup.

 

[NYR Viper]

When you have limited funds to spend choosing to spend them on a center to play with Panarin, who has already proven to produce relatively independent of his linemates, rather than improving actual weaknesses is not a good idea.

Sure, so how about we look at it like this then:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Goodrow-Kaako
Blais-______-Kravtsov
Hunt-Barron-Reaves

Who can play 3C? I'd honestly prefer to see someone who can play meaningful minutes and drive offense in that spot. The lack of depth at center is still a major issue

 

[leetch99]

I picture Gallant to be a big "Go Fish" player. Confirm or deny?

LOL...I have no idea on that . Personally I have never heard of it . Maybe it has a different name around here ...many card games do .

 

[SA16]

Sure, so how about we look at it like this then:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Goodrow-Kaako
Blais-______-Kravtsov
Hunt-Barron-Reaves

Who can play 3C? I'd honestly prefer to see someone who can play meaningful minutes and drive offense in that spot. The lack of depth at center is still a major issue

Chytil who is currently on the team and signed for next year?

 

[McRanger92]

Nemeth has a cheap buyout.

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I wasn't aware of this but now I'm extremely convinced Nemeth is getting bought out this summer (if he doesn't retire first)

 

[NYR Viper]

Chytil who is currently on the team and signed for next year?

Ew

 

[SA16]

Ew

Toronto - Kampf (1.5M)
Bruins - Haula/Coyle (2.4/5.2M)
Canes - Staal (11 points in 40 games...good defensively) (6M on a long term deal ending)
Wild - F. Gaudreau (1.2M)
Vegas - Roy (Pre-Eichel) (750k)
Avs - Compher (3.5M)
Lightning - Bellemarre/Colton (1M)
Preds- Sissons (2.8M)

I think you are seriously overrating the quality of the 3rd best C on team's around the league. The above are a lot of contenders. Most teams do not have a Jeff Carter, or Brayden Schenn type on the third line. It's a bunch of random guys who are defensive players with a little bit of offense. Chytil as the 2C with Panarin and then Goodrow fits right in with that group of guys above.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I dont think it would be very popular in the room, but with the abundance of young defenseman showing they can play in the NHL moving Lindgren in the summer has to be on the table. He's similar to Strome in that hes a really good player, but not a core piece they absolutely need to win a Cup.

I’m not moving Lindgren. I think he absolutely is the type of player you win with (puts his body on the line for the team, is physical, can play minutes), and like you said it would be an extremely unpopular move in the room, especially with one of the best defenseman in the world who happens to be his best friend. Get rid of Nemeth and Tinordi and bring in someone else to solidify the pairs.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Nemeth has a cheap buyout.

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I don’t even think you’d need to buy him out, Rangers can get a team to take him.

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[NYR Viper]

Toronto - Kampf
Bruins - Haula/Coyle
Canes - Staal (11 points in 40 games...good defensively)
Wild - F. Gaudreau
Vegas - Roy (Pre-Eichel)
Avs - Compher
Lightning - Bellemarre/Colton
Preds- Sissons

I think you are seriously overrating the quality of the 3rd best C on team's around the league. The above are a lot of contenders. Most teams do not have a Jeff Carter, or Brayden Schenn type on the third line. It's a bunch of random guys who are defensive players with a little bit of offense. Chytil as the 2C with Panarin and then Goodrow fits right in with that group of guys above.

Now lets look at their 2C's and compare to Goodrow.

This team's 3C is going to need to do more than the average because Goodrow, he of a career high which is probably coming this year with 20 points in 44 games so far, is going to be this teams 2C.

What happens if Zibanejad is injured for any sort of prolonged period? Goodrow 1C?

The depth at center is bad. Perhaps we don't like Strome there, fine, although he will be paid like a support player which fits what the team needs really in that spot. I don't think a contender would go in to a season with Goodrow as the 2C as it seems like a recipe for disaster.

 

[Nickmo82]

What does your boy Kravstov rank?

 

[McRanger92]

I’m not moving Lindgren. I think he absolutely is the type of player you win with (puts his body on the line for the team, is physical, can play minutes), and like you said it would be an extremely unpopular move in the room, especially with one of the best defenseman in the world who happens to be his best friend. Get rid of Nemeth and Tinordi and bring in someone else to solidify the pairs.

I agree on Lindgren. He's a better player than he's given credit for and very important to this team. But in a cap crunch you start looking toward the non-core pieces who are making significant money. Nemeth & Chytil will be moved before him, and I am in favor of keeping Strome & Lindgren long-term, but Fox & Panarin didn't sign their contracts based on assurances their friends would remain on the team.

 

[EdJovanovski]

What does your boy Kravstov rank?

100%

 

[McRanger92]

Im unsure what im looking at so i am going to focus on the DeBrincat/Gaborik/Bure/Thornton comps for Laf and nothing else

 

[Nickmo82]

100%

Neat. Best get him back in the fold ASAP then.