Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[mas0764]

I don't think theres a player available i could suggest that you would like. You tell me who you think the Rangers should be going after.

I wouldn't make a big splash that included Nils and Kravtsov if nothing I like isn't available because I'm not pressuring myself to win the Cup this year. I'll sit on my powder until another big name I like becomes available, as they do every once in a while. I suspect someone like Elias Pettersson may eventually shake loose in Vancouver, or perhaps when a dumb GM (and there are a few) takes over in, say, Chicago, you might be able to steal a Kirby Dach for less than top dollar.

Assuming there's no way to get a Lundell/Newhook type in a prospect exchange. I'd also be trying to move up in the draft to get say, Brad Lambert.

 

[McRanger92]

Are the 5v5 woes restricted to the third line? Not sure the 5v5 numbers look good in the top 6 either.

My assumption has always been that Kreider-Mika-Laf & Panarin-Strome-Kakko will be the top 6 combos in the 2nd half and they have shown positive 5v5 metrics. I figured you would know that because you respond to every post I make. We don't have to agree.

 

[mas0764]

My assumption has always been that Kreider-Mika-Laf & Panarin-Strome-Kakko will be the top 6 combos in the 2nd half and they have shown positive 5v5 metrics. I figured you would know that because you respond to every post I make. We don't have to agree.

Have they? I'm legitimately asking, I don't know the answer.

And you should be flattered that I respond to your posts because it means they are worth the time to respond to, unlike some others.

 

[Ola]

I picture Gallant to be a big "Go Fish" player. Confirm or deny?

Don't see it, definitely think he is more into Fortnite and Jolt Cola.

 

[McRanger92]

I wouldn't make a big splash that included Nils and Kravtsov if nothing I like isn't available because I'm not pressuring myself to win the Cup this year. I'll sit on my powder until another big name I like becomes available, as they do every once in a while. I suspect someone like Elias Pettersson may eventually shake loose in Vancouver, or perhaps when a dumb GM (and there are a few) takes over in, say, Chicago, you might be able to steal a Kirby Dach for less than top dollar.

Assuming there's no way to get a Lundell/Newhook type in a prospect exchange. I'd also be trying to move up in the draft to get say, Brad Lambert.

Look, I'd love to acquire Pettersson or Dach type, but are you willing to trade Laf or Kakko + for the opportunity? And in Pettersson's case adding him would cause you to lose Strome, one of Kreider/Trouba, plus whatever exorbitant trade package Van asks for. At that point, how big of an upgrade is it?

Nils + Krav also probably doesnt have the value you think it does. Its common knowledge that the Rangers cant give Kravtsov away right now and Lundkvist is a very good prospect, but hes an undersized, offensive D-man who didnt stand out in his NHL time this year and probably needs to develop more.

 

[tlk]

The 2C next year should be Chytil.

The sooner they really start probing that ground the better. Whatever the outcome.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Look, I'd love to acquire Pettersson or Dach type, but are you willing to trade Laf or Kakko + for the opportunity? And in Pettersson's case adding him would cause you to lose Strome, one of Kreider/Trouba, plus whatever exorbitant trade package Van asks for. At that point, how big of an upgrade is it?

Nils + Krav also probably doesnt have the value you think it does. Its common knowledge that the Rangers cant give Kravtsov away right now and Lundkvist is a very good prospect, but hes an undersized, offensive D-man who didnt stand out in his NHL time this year and probably needs to develop more.

Nils would become the best prospect or second best on about 16 teams in the league at least. The only reason he's available is because of Schneider. If the Rangers didn't have Schneider and what he brings (which is a much different game than Nils) then Nils would still be up here even with his lack of production, which he is never going to get here because he'll never be on PP1. So I think Nils has a ton of value. We don't even know if he is being offered in any deals at this point, he just makes the most sense because we can afford to trade him. The only name we've heard is Krav, who I agree, has a value that has taken a hit. I'm not trading Nils unless it's in a package for a legit, young player with term and/or control. That's not Miller who is neither young nor controllable past next season.

 

[Thirty One]

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[NYR Viper]

They dropped the 32 Thoughts podcast 9 minutes before I started walking to work today. Thanks to everyone who wrote letters.

We are now expecting a dissertation on what occurred.

 

[Avery16]

The 2C next year should be Chytil.

If this is what’s happening, we should slide Strome over now.

 

[Thirty One]

We are now expecting a dissertation on what occurred.

Cole's notes:
- All-star game is for kids.
- Zegras could see through blindfold.
-

- Danny Briere is Assistant to the GM, not Assistant GM. 3,500 people on twitter beat me to the Dwight Schrute jokes.

 

[ThirdEye]

I agree that Lundkvist probably still has good value outside of this organization. We've just been spoiled recently with young D coming into the league and excelling.

I thought he made good strides in the NHL but just so happens Schneider is an absolute rock. On a team that can afford him PP time Lundkvist should be a perennial 30-40 point scorer with that shot of his.

 

[mas0764]

Nils would become the best prospect or second best on about 16 teams in the league at least. The only reason he's available is because of Schneider. If the Rangers didn't have Schneider and what he brings (which is a much different game than Nils) then Nils would still be up here even with his lack of production, which he is never going to get here because he'll never be on PP1. So I think Nils has a ton of value. We don't even know if he is being offered in any deals at this point, he just makes the most sense because we can afford to trade him. The only name we've heard is Krav, who I agree, has a value that has taken a hit. I'm not trading Nils unless it's in a package for a legit, young player with term and/or control. That's not Miller who is neither young nor controllable past next season.

There is far too much sleeping on Nils on this forum.

Kravtsov's value has taken something of a hit just because teams know about the fallout - way to go, Drury - but he's still more valuable than Lias Andersson was.

But Nils is probably still near in stock to Erik Brannstrom, and he brought back Stone basically one for one.

I can't get a Pettersson for Nils, Kravtsov, a first, and another mid level prospect or roster player? Come on, that's just ignorant of what NHL trades fetch. You can't name a package that was higher than that for a star player once the org decided to part ways.

Nash, Eichel, Stone, etc. It goes on and on. There are no more Lindros deals.

There also remains the chance, per rumors that we were reluctant to even include him for Eichel last offseason, that he remains part of our core plans long term.

 

[jay from jersey]

I wouldn't make a big splash that included Nils and Kravtsov if nothing I like isn't available because I'm not pressuring myself to win the Cup this year. I'll sit on my powder until another big name I like becomes available, as they do every once in a while. I suspect someone like Elias Pettersson may eventually shake loose in Vancouver, or perhaps when a dumb GM (and there are a few) takes over in, say, Chicago, you might be able to steal a Kirby Dach for less than top dollar.

Assuming there's no way to get a Lundell/Newhook type in a prospect exchange. I'd also be trying to move up in the draft to get say, Brad Lambert.

you also run the risk of those assets you hold further depreciating though.... especially in kravtsov’s case.
Another season in the KHL isn’t a good look for his value... most nHL teams would at least want him over here playing some type of NA hockey....
He had a solid return to Traktor, which was good for us, but that could have gone way worse....
His value will never get to where it once was, but it’s at a point now where he at least has value as an interesting Plus in a trade to a point where teams would like to gamble on him.

 

[mas0764]

you also run the risk of those assets you hold further depreciating though.... especially in kravtsov’s case.
Another season in the KHL isn’t a good look for his value... most nHL teams would at least want him over here playing some type of NA hockey....

What risk? I'm being told Kravtsov's value is basically a throw in or a rental. It's already less than a first round pick, in some of these suggested deals.

I'm running the risk of what, it drops from a second round value to a third or fourth round value? Who cares?

I'm betting that I can either rehabilitate his value to desired first round prospect or I can get him back on this team and contributing. If I miss on that and his value drops from 60th pick to 90th pick, so be it.

Nils isn't going to depreciate. If he stays he will earn a roster spot eventually.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

There is far too much sleeping on Nils on this forum.

Kravtsov's value has taken something of a hit just because teams know about the fallout - way to go, Drury - but he's still more valuable than Lias Andersson was.

We are very used to when we want to give our prospects away thinking that we are doing that because they aren't very good and we want to hoodwink some team. That's not even in here as much as it's elsewhere. There's like a thing where people think if you want to include that prospect in a trade there must be something wrong with him. The Rangers didn't have Adam Fox when Nil's was drafted. Yes, he is undersized and yes he needs to learn the North American game (and yes, he should have started down in the AHL), but there's no reason to think he wouldn't be playing meaningful even top 4 minutes on a good number of teams in this league and a good number of teams in this league do not have a young, offensive minded, puck moving d-man in their system like Nils. We just have a lot of guys and we can afford to trade some of them. Doesn't make them bad or not good prospects or would not hold more value on other teams than they do here.

 

[McRanger92]

i think Dury would love to add a big dog like that at the deadline and use for this playoff run, next year and beyond and hopefully cut strome lose.
The big problem is the availability at the TDL of a player like that.
I really wish we could get a better read on the Larkin situation.
He’s not the type of guy that would publicly ask out for a trade, especially being named captain and being a hometown kid, but I can absolutely see him wanting to go to a contender and not want to resign and waste his prime years on a Stevie Y tampa-esque 3-4 year rebuild...
But unlike Eichel/PLD, it would be handled more classy/low-key...
I guess it all depends really. I’m sure Det wants him there for the long haul, but the ball will ultimately be in his court if he wants to resign there. That is a player you open up the asset vault for imo.
Hopefully that’s the type of trade Drury is looking for and Miller/Hertl/Giroux/Copp are plan B.

i can still see Scheifle as a dark horse candidate as a TDL acquisition....

Scheifele is really interesting but im not sure the timeline matches up. The jets are primed for a rebuild but it seems like a lot of the recent chatter out of Winnipeg is that Scheifele is being scapegoated for his lackluster play. Is that because the Jets have struggled and he needs a change of scenery? Or is he just a floater? On paper hes a massive upgrade over Strome, but how does that play in the locker room? If Drury can get him this year the contract is plenty manageable and youd have him for 3 playoff runs, including 1 with Strome this year. Again, not sure how likely it is but its def interesting.

Larkin too would be a perfect fit but he seems happy in Detroit

 

[jay from jersey]

What risk? I'm being told his value is basically a throw in or a rental. It's already less than a first round pick, in some of these suggested deals.

I'm running the risk of what, it drops from a second round value to a third or fourth round value? Who cares?

I'm betting that I can either rehabilitate his value top desired first round prospect or I can get him back on this team and contributing. If I miss on that and his value drops from 60th pick to 90th pick, so be it.

nils is better off and in a better situation. He also should have a solid AHL season, or start to it next year... I’d wager him and Robertson will get the brunt of 1St pair min if both are still here....
If krav has a poor start to next year, he will be literally nothing....
He’ll go past reclaim action gamble to pennies on the dollar.
He’s already likely traded at a reduced cost, anything further and your looking at 3rd round pick territory... maybe

 

[kovazub94]

I did not. I'm not sure he's still in the NHL 2 years from now.

Could be better suited for playing in Europe.

I could be wrong.

I will save this post to revisit in two years.

 

[mas0764]

We are very used to when we want to give our prospects away thinking that we are doing that because they aren't very good and we want to hoodwink some team. That's not even in here as much as it's elsewhere. There's like a thing where people think if you want to include that prospect in a trade there must be something wrong with him. The Rangers didn't have Adam Fox when Nil's was drafted. Yes, he is undersized and yes he needs to learn the North American game (and yes, he should have started down in the AHL), but there's no reason to think he wouldn't be playing meaningful even top 4 minutes on a good number of teams in this league and a good number of teams in this league do not have a young, offensive minded, puck moving d-man in their system like Nils. We just have a lot of guys and we can afford to trade some of them. Doesn't make them bad or not good prospects or would not hold more value on other teams than they do here.

Again, look what Erik Brannstrom brought back. Nils is in that tier.

Am I saying that Nils is going to bring back possibly the best winger in the league at age 26?

No.

I'm just saying.... he can and should, by himself, bring back a long term, core, top 6 caliber piece, and maybe a very good one at that.

It's not out of the question that you could swap Nils for Lundell or Nils for Newhook and that would be basically even.

The ship has probably sailed on Lundell since he won rookie of the month or whatever, his star is ascending based on in-league success, but a player with that kind of stock before the season should be absolutely attainable for Nils. So, like, Marco Rossi?

 

[Boris Zubov]

There is far too much sleeping on Nils on this forum.

Kravtsov's value has taken something of a hit just because teams know about the fallout - way to go, Drury - but he's still more valuable than Lias Andersson was.

But Nils is probably still near in stock to Erik Brannstrom, and he brought back Stone basically one for one.

I can't get a Pettersson for Nils, Kravtsov, a first, and another mid level prospect or roster player? Come on, that's just ignorant of what NHL trades fetch. You can't name a package that was higher than that for a star player once the org decided to part ways.

Nash, Eichel, Stone, etc. It goes on and on. There are no more Lindros deals.

There also remains the chance, per rumors that we were reluctant to even include him for Eichel last offseason, that he remains part of our core plans long term.

Brannstrom & a 2nd (& Oscar Lindberg) brought back pending UFA Stone with a negotiated extension. Brannstrom is the perfect example of an undersized Dman who was traded when his value would never get higher. Now he has basically zero value & he's a cautionary tale of what could happen if we failed to monetize our prospects when they may not have a spot here. Exactly why we should be dangling Nils.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Scheifele is really interesting but im not sure the timeline matches up. The jets are primed for a rebuild but it seems like a lot of the recent chatter out of Winnipeg is that Scheifele is being scapegoated for his lackluster play. Is that because the Jets have struggled and he needs a change of scenery? Or is he just a floater? On paper hes a massive upgrade over Strome, but how does that play in the locker room? If Drury can get him this year the contract is plenty manageable and youd have him for 3 playoff runs, including 1 with Strome this year. Again, not sure how likely it is but its def interesting.

Larkin too would be a perfect fit but he seems happy in Detroit

I'd take a shot on Scheifele needing a change of scenery. He has to be the man in Winnipeg. If he came here he'd have a whole bunch of other guys doing work like Zib, Kreid and of course Panarin. You look at interviews of him up there and he seems checked out. I would be too, Winnipeg is an awful place. I went there once to go see the Jets play the Wings and my friends and I couldn't wait to get out of that town as fast as we could. I recall watching a post game interview with him recently where he was asked if the team had an identity and he was like "I don't know."

I think if you can launder the cap hit through another team (Seattle, Arizona, Buffalo & Ottawa always have cap floor issues as well) then the cap hit is negligible and him being signed for 3 more years is great because that is the Ranger's window and by the time that contract is up you might even be able to re-sign him if the cap has risen enough or is about to. I'd offer Chytil, Nils, Krav, 1st 2022 (or 23) for him, with a 2023 3rd & 2024 4th to another team to hold some cap hit.

 

[tlk]

Cole's notes:
- All-star game is for kids.
- Zegras could see through blindfold.
-

- Danny Briere is Assistant to the GM, not Assistant GM. 3,500 people on twitter beat me to the Dwight Schrute jokes.

PhD

 

[mas0764]

Brannstrom & a 2nd (& Oscar Lindberg) brought back pending UFA Stone with a negotiated extension. Brannstrom is the perfect example of an undersized Dman who was traded when his value would never get higher. Now he has basically zero value & he's a cautionary tale of what could happen if we failed to monetize our prospects when they may not have a spot here. Exactly why we should be dangling Nils.

And if we could get 26 year old Mark Stone with a negotiated extension we should absolutely deal Nils for that.

But packaging him with Kravtsov and a first for 29 year old JT Miller, no thanks.

If we can't get something akin to the Stone deal, I'll take my chances that he can play the left side. There's a better chance that that works out in our favor than a JT Miller trade does along with two other prime assets.

 

[McRanger92]

Again, look what Erik Brannstrom brought back. Nils is in that tier.

Am I saying that Nils is going to bring back possibly the best winger in the league at age 26?

No.

I'm just saying.... he can and should, by himself, bring back a long term, core, top 6 caliber piece, and maybe a very good one at that.

It's not out of the question that you could swap Nils for Lundell or Nils for Newhook and that would be basically even.

The ship has probably sailed on Lundell since he won rookie of the month or whatever, his star is ascending based on in-league success, but a player with that kind of stock before the season should be absolutely attainable for Nils. So, like, Marco Rossi?

You lose me when you suggest that cap strapped Cup contenders would be trading blue chip center prospects for an undersized offensive defenseman who couldnt stick in the NHL this year.