Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[Fitzy]

Miller was traded away from this team 4 years ago. We know that the cells in the body replace themselves an average of once every 7 years or so. So it's scientific fact that more than half of the cells comprising JT Miller are not the same cells he had when we dealt him before.

Ergo- we are not trading back for the same player. Most of him is made from new substances he consumed over the past four years.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Miller was traded away from this team 4 years ago. We know that the cells in the body replace themselves an average of once every 7 years or so. So it's scientific fact that more than half of the cells comprising JT Miller are not the same cells he had when we dealt him before.

Ergo- we are not trading back for the same player. Most of him is made from new substances he consumed over the past four years.

Does Canada have their own version of Funyons?

 

[Fitzy]

Does Canada have their own version of Funyons?

IDK but I remember having some really amazing Cajun peanuts the last time I was in the maritime provinces lol

 

[nyaz11]

No you don't.

You can't just gloss over the fact that he's a terrible defensive player. Your top 6 is still going to eat the majority of your ice time. He isn't just bad defensively, hes straight up a colossal liability.

It's a horrible idea. People hear a name that they know and see the flashy stats and think a player is a must have when in reality, they're a poor fit.

Copp will be cheaper and actually fits.

You're buying low on a bonafide number 1 center. A "colossal liability" that averages a PPG for 5 straight seasons - and has a better career corsi - and plus/minus - (crap on it all we will) than our number 1 center... who is signed for 3.5 million cheaper for 2 more seasons.

If the idea is to upgrade Strome with a a player that fits into the cap - there is not a better answer in the NHL. Multiple star players have had defensive concerns - it's a problem that's correctable.

He is 22nd ! in the NHL in points - over the last 5 seasons. He has 31 points in 33 playoff games. If the Rangers are looking for one big add at the center position, that fits into the current and short term cap situation - he checks every box - with the exception of his defensive numbers - which again - we've heard in the past (Ovechkin)

Maybe, just maybe the defensive problems are overblown on a team having a down sesason.

If they can find a way to add Copp to the core here and you want to say that he and Strome give the team more depth sure --- but comparing Copp to a PPG Center is beyond absurd.

Adding MS - and then focusing on defense oriented players for the bottom six - is my ideal situation. PPG Centers do not grow on trees.

 

[duhmetreE]

You're buying low on a bonafide number 1 center. A "colossal liability" that averages a PPG for 5 straight seasons - and has a better career corsi - and plus/minus - (crap on it all we will) than our number 1 center... who is signed for 3.5 million cheaper for 2 more seasons.

If the idea is to upgrade Strome with a a player that fits into the cap - there is not a better answer in the NHL. Multiple star players have had defensive concerns - it's a problem that's correctable.

He is 22nd ! in the NHL in points - over the last 5 seasons. He has 31 points in 33 playoff games. If the Rangers are looking for one big add at the center position, that fits into the current and short term cap situation - he checks every box - with the exception of his defensive numbers - which again - we've heard in the past (Ovechkin)

Maybe, just maybe the defensive problems are overblown on a team having a down sesason.

If they can find a way to add Copp to the core here and you want to say that he and Strome give the team more depth sure --- but comparing Copp to a PPG Center is beyond absurd.

Adding MS - and then focusing on defense oriented players for the bottom six - is my ideal situation. PPG Centers do not grow on trees.

 

[duhmetreE]

Scheiffle is not even a thought.

PLD or Copp. Depending on what we want to spend. Ideally would prefer a great skating center but it is what it is.

 

[Gluten Free Breadman]

Miller was traded away from this team 4 years ago. We know that the cells in the body replace themselves an average of once every 7 years or so. So it's scientific fact that more than half of the cells comprising JT Miller are not the same cells he had when we dealt him before.

Ergo- we are not trading back for the same player. Most of him is made from new substances he consumed over the past four years.

Yeah but neurons don't replace themselves and JT Miller didn't have many to begin with.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You're buying low on a bonafide number 1 center. A "colossal liability" that averages a PPG for 5 straight seasons - and has a better career corsi - and plus/minus - (crap on it all we will) than our number 1 center... who is signed for 3.5 million cheaper for 2 more seasons.

If the idea is to upgrade Strome with a a player that fits into the cap - there is not a better answer in the NHL. Multiple star players have had defensive concerns - it's a problem that's correctable.

He is 22nd ! in the NHL in points - over the last 5 seasons. He has 31 points in 33 playoff games. If the Rangers are looking for one big add at the center position, that fits into the current and short term cap situation - he checks every box - with the exception of his defensive numbers - which again - we've heard in the past (Ovechkin)

Maybe, just maybe the defensive problems are overblown on a team having a down sesason.

If they can find a way to add Copp to the core here and you want to say that he and Strome give the team more depth sure --- but comparing Copp to a PPG Center is beyond absurd.

Adding MS - and then focusing on defense oriented players for the bottom six - is my ideal situation. PPG Centers do not grow on trees.

His defensive numbers have always been atrocious. It isn't just this year, it's every year.

Again, for the assets+price, its not a good idea. He's better than Strome, but hes not 1st+Chytil+VK+Nils OR Miller better. Hell I dont think the difference between the two of them is even ONE of those assets. Maybe VK, but thats it (And I think Nils is destined for Ben Hutton-dom, so thats saying something.)

He wouldn't be a PPG center here either. Where is he playing on the PP? Won't be the same role he has in Winnipeg.

 

[bbny]

Miller was traded away from this team 4 years ago. We know that the cells in the body replace themselves an average of once every 7 years or so. So it's scientific fact that more than half of the cells comprising JT Miller are not the same cells he had when we dealt him before.

Ergo- we are not trading back for the same player. Most of him is made from new substances he consumed over the past four years.

You'd make a fantastic lawyer for convicted felons looking to have their sentences commuted after 7 years.

"At this juncture, your honor, it literally wasn't him who did it!"

 

[Kovalev27]

Go get Gourde Giordano and Miller(50% cap)

Empty the cupboard: chytil Kravtsov Robertson Lundkvist Jones Othmann Barron our 2022 first and 2023 second all on the table to do it.

 

[DialUp]

Go get Gourde Giordano and Miller(50% cap)

Empty the cupboard: chytil Kravtsov Robertson Lundkvist Jones Othmann Barron our 2022 first and 2023 second all on the table to do it.

That's a lotta damage

 

[Kovalev27]

That's a lotta damage

so was the price of 1994. Gotta be a lion here hopefully don’t have to use every asset but all should be on the table to make a deal happen

 

[bbny]

Go get Gourde Giordano and Miller(50% cap)

Empty the cupboard: chytil Kravtsov Robertson Lundkvist Jones Othmann Barron our 2022 first and 2023 second all on the table to do it.

Not Othmann, but other than that, if it can be made to work cap wise, do it. I'd put our '23 1st on the table as well (perhaps conditional on winning a Cup with the acquired player).

 

[DialUp]

so was the price of 1994. Gotta be a lion here hopefully don’t have to use every asset but all should be on the table to make a deal happen

The price of 94 was probably 2 ADDITIONAL cups

 

[nyaz11]

His defensive numbers have always been atrocious. It isn't just this year, it's every year.

Again, for the assets+price, its not a good idea. He's better than Strome, but hes not 1st+Chytil+VK+Nils OR Miller better. Hell I dont think the difference between the two of them is even ONE of those assets. Maybe VK, but thats it (And I think Nils is destined for Ben Hutton-dom, so thats saying something.)

He wouldn't be a PPG center here either. Where is he playing on the PP? Won't be the same role he has in Winnipeg.

Again I don't think he and Strome are remotely in the same class - he's much, much closer to Zibanejad than Strome - you're vastly underrating his offensive numbers - so I disagree on price.

He has more even strength points than Mika over the last 4 seasons. He's top-20 in even strength goals and top 10 in even strength assists over that same time span. He's having a down year - but we're talking about an elite offensive player. On a deal with 2.5 years left, at just over 6 mill.

But I'll go your route - because I can see a Strome/Copp combo leading to success - If both can fit under the cap - there is a situation where that makes us a better team -- I just don't know if that's realistic.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Go get Gourde Giordano and Miller(50% cap)

Empty the cupboard: chytil Kravtsov Robertson Lundkvist Jones Othmann Barron our 2022 first and 2023 second all on the table to do it.

Kreider Zibanejad Kakko
Panarin Miller Strome
Lafreniere Gourde Goodrow
Hunt Rooney Reaves

Ex: Gauthier

Lindgren Fox
Gio Trouba
Miller Schneider

Ex: Hajek

Shesterkin
Georgiev

That is one deep team that could do some significant damage. And you would retain Miller and Gourde into next season. Not sure if you could fit it in under the cap

 

[Kovalev27]

The price of 94 was probably 2 ADDITIONAL cups

haha do you remember how hard it was to win that thing? I doubt it honestly I’ll take one every 30 years gladly. Give me one more now another around 70 and I’ll die happy LOL

Kreider Zibanejad Kakko
Panarin Miller Strome
Lafreniere Gourde Goodrow
Hunt Rooney Reaves

Ex: Gauthier

Lindgren Fox
Gio Trouba
Miller Schneider

Ex: Hajek

Shesterkin
Georgiev

That is one deep team that could do some significant damage. And you would retain Miller and Gourde into next season. Not sure if you could fit it in under the cap

You absolutely can if you get Miller at 50%

 

[DialUp]

haha do you remember how hard it was to win that thing? I doubt it honestly I’ll take one every 30 years gladly. Give me one more now another around 70 and I’ll die happy LOL

For sure, but some of the moves didn't have to be made to win 94. Keenan was a maniac.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

From what we’ve seen recently, I’m not trading Jones or Schneider.

 

[duhmetreE]

Go get Gourde Giordano and Miller(50% cap)

Empty the cupboard: chytil Kravtsov Robertson Lundkvist Jones Othmann Barron our 2022 first and 2023 second all on the table to do it.

Gourde makes so much sense. He signed long-term and Seattle can eat cap. He's the exact type of player we need. We have a plethora of pieces Seattle would covet.

Francis doesn't do anything though.

 

[HonestGabe]

Gourde makes so much sense. He signed long-term and Seattle can eat cap. He's the exact type of player we need. We have a plethora of pieces Seattle would covet.

Francis doesn't do anything though.

I'd be floored if they retained salary on their best player for 3 full seasons plus the last 20 games of this one.

 

[bbny]

haha do you remember how hard it was to win that thing? I doubt it honestly I’ll take one every 30 years gladly. Give me one more now another around 70 and I’ll die happy LOL

I cared more about sports in my teens and 20s than I do now. I still enjoy sports tremendously, but not quite as much once life starts hitting you with important shit that really matters.

I want a Cup now. My level of caring may significantly reduce the enjoyment of winning by the time I'm 70. I might not even care at all. By then, I might care more about the mailman delivering my mail 30 minutes later than normal on a Wednesday.

 

[Luger]

For sure, but some of the moves didn't have to be made to win 94. Keenan was a maniac.

Gartner for Anderson was an obvious downgrade because Glenn struggled on the 4th line. They'd have better odds with Gartner. This one was on Neil, not Keenan.

Amonte for Matteau and Noonan was awful on paper and long term, but it worked out for a pair of OT goals in the ECF.

MacTavish was a trade you make every day if you're going for the Cup.

The Peter Anderson and Phil Bourque trades were irrelevant.

Ultimately, Amonte plus Gartner would've likely worked better than Matteau, Noonan and Anderson.

Tikkanen for Weight in 1992-93 was awful. So was not trading VBZ in time and getting a 7D for him. Failing to protect Sheppard, a 30 goal scorer, because you forgot about him was ridiculous.

Neil was a bad GM, which is why he never did it again, save a few days on LI.

 

[DialUp]

Ultimately, Amonte plus Gartner would've likely worked better than Matteau, Noonan and Anderson.

Agreed here. But according to reports, Keenan HATED Gartner. Was probably too soft for him. Did we really need to give up Amonte for Stefan Matteau? That was the thing, Keenan was just like "don't give a shyt, just get me my men".

Maybe Messier didn't like Gartner either. He sure didn't like Zubov. What snowflakes the organization was! A lifetime indeed.

 

[MrAlmost]

Likely Goat/Hajek and a 2nd for Lehkonen. That is a fair deal and about right for the type of player and where they are in contract status. Rangers can resign. I don't buy that he will cost a first.

I would then throw Chytil, Krav, Lundqvist and a 2nd at Gourde with at least 2 million retention. Hopefully the full 50%. That would be an insane package, but could make us a contender for 4 years.

Georgiev to someone who needs a young, cheap goalie with potential as a starter. Arizona, Buffalo, Edmonton. If Edmonton shows interest, take back Kosky for the year and use that cap space we have to maybe get them to add a prospect on top of the 2nd or 3rd for Georgiev.

Nemeth to a team looking for a depth dman. There are a ton and his cap hit isn't terrible. This can happen at the deadline or in the offseason.

2022-23 (And enough cap space to keep it together for a long time)
Kreider-Z-Laf
Panarin-Gourde-Kakko
Lehkonen-Goodrow-Blais
Hunt/Gettinger-Barron-Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
Tinordi

Igor
Kinkaid?