Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[duhmetreE]

PLDis a guy I could conceivably see trading kakko for.
He’s not too much older, both are top 2-3 picks, but PLD is a center and more established. He’s also going to be paid more currently...
But if it’s not a young center with term/high ceiling, there’s really no point.
PLD checks off a lot of boxes ..
-solid chemistry centering panarin
-2-way responsible more hard nosed N/S game then strome.
Young
-solid playoff performer in limited time

An ideal situation is to give up our tried and true, Chytil, Lundkvist and Kravtsov. Honestly don't know what'd they want..... but depending on his next contract, PLD for Kakko is intriguing. Still think we could get it done without using him.

TBH once Kakko gets 'back on track' he skyrockets up to the 'untouchable' list.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He doesn’t have any trade protection and they just signed Nemeth to a 3 year deal that started this season. I think it’s clear they don’t mind the term left. My guess is he would be a 1-2 year transition piece and then traded once a young player (Robertson?) showed he was ready. The $3.9m cap hit is the tougher pill to swallow next season. If they feel they can fit him and Strome in while moving Nemeth and Georgiev then it may be a solid move. It solidifies the top-6 and makes them harder to play against. Dillon is no fun for opposing forwards.

If I'm adding a defenseman with term, I'd rather it be someone who is better than he is or at least is better at different things than he is.

When I look at the construction of our defense, adding another guy who is no fun to play against isn't really at the top of the list. We have Lindgren, Trouba and Schneider. We've actually got plenty of "not fun to play against" on our roster right now - They just need to decide that they want to play that way more often (See: Last night. Panthers aren't exactly a bunch of soft schlubs either.)

If not Chychrun, then one of the other rental options (Leddy, Giordano) are much more appealing. They both have warts, but they're both solid 4-6 options and would improve our mobility out of the back end.

 

[duhmetreE]

Winnipeg will defintely try to move someone else but they are at the mercy of NMC/NTC and the cap issue.

PLD is also temperamental. If he doesn't want to be in Winnipeg he'll make it known. That's the easy way for us

 

[Lgrsean]

Yea, but what happens to his value???
If he has a poor showing in the A, or doesn’t play there like he did in the SEL, and is still continued to be blocked from the nhl roster, you’re basically decreasing 1 of you’re beat assets

I think we both agree that the Rangers should use their prospect depth at D to improve at forward. I just would be willing to trad Othmann as the main prospect in a trade for 2 playoff runs of a ppg C for $2.6M/year. We could still trade a D for a forward who might be a better prospect than Othmann.

 

[jay from jersey]

He was playing great as the 2nd line RW just (checks notes) TWO games ago. He's had worse usage/minutes than Laf/Kakko (significantly so compared to Kakko), but is right in the same area re: production, and he's still just 22.

Dumping young players because we decide they are worthless only to watch them do well with other teams is an interesting way to run a rebuilding team.

If someone blows us away with an offer for a young player? Sure--nobody is untouchable. But people on here want to yeet this kid into the sun, which just strikes me as a foolish waste of an asset that was developing very well until this year (and as his shooting percentage is about half of what it was the last couple of seasons, I'm thinking this is a kid in a slump, rather than a derailed development).

And I'm not going to lie and say that I saw this one coming, but Brett Howden is at .5ppg with Vegas this season. If Howden can develop into something useful at 23/24 years of age, Chytil is more than capable of doing the same or better.

I agree, but somethings gotta give.....
If laf-Zibby-Kreids actually becomes a thing, then 1 of chytil/Kakko is dropping out of the top 6 of min and style of players that help influence their offensive games.
Kakko needs a new deal, chytil has 1 yr left before he needs a new deal... it’s kid of similar to the Lundkvist situation on D. Yes they have talent and are good young players with potential, but your going to run into problems finding them the minutes and opportunities..
Then in the wildcard possibility of 1 of Berard/Cuylle/Othmann being closer to nhl duty then initially thought... and it’s another problem.
Plus throw Blais in the top 9 mix for next season as well....
The timing and situations aren’t going to allow us to keep all of these guys in the fold for too much longer.
Some are going to rise to the occasion, others will falter. The key for Drury is to hopefully sell high and keep the ones for us that will have more of an impact on This roster going fwd.
Not necessarily the best guys, but the right guys for the job.
I fully expect our young guys to progress. All of them will, but it’s very likely some will not be with NYR when they do.
I think the big move for a 2C is coming this offseason. I don’t think drury sees strome as a viable long term option with Zibby already signed.
I also think Gallant wants to run a heavier, bigger, and possibly quicker bottom 6 that wrecks havoc on the forecheck, similar to Vegas.
Personally, I’d love something like
Goodrow-Barron-Blais
Hunt-Jarnkrok-Reaves
Ex reuschoff/Gettinger

I think Rooney and chytil are probably gone from the roster

 

[EdJovanovski]

Looks nervous af lmao

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Looks nervous af lmao

Hartnett, ugh. I remember when he blocked me a few years ago. What a simp. It’s a first place tie between he and Pee Wee Herman as far as the worst “journalist” that covers the team.

 

[egelband]

I would like to hold Fox, Trouba, Miller, Schneider. Wish one more of those guys was a LD but that’s life. Lindgren and Jones are my next two so it works out. I like Lundkvist too but I suppose he doesn’t want to spend more time in the AHL waiting for an injury, which is totally fair. But that probably leaves him the odd man out. I wonder if he could be the centerpiece of a deal to get a decent young center. Throw in Hajek, Chytil, Georgiev. Maybe not a top center prospect but a second tier prospect with upside?

 

[egelband]

all star game just ain’t what it used to be. Will Wilson also compete in the All-Star pregame head-shots challenge?

Wilson prefers blindsiding young players just up from the minors.

 

[smoneil]

I agree, but somethings gotta give.....
If laf-Zibby-Kreids actually becomes a thing, then 1 of chytil/Kakko is dropping out of the top 6 of min and style of players that help influence their offensive games.
Kakko needs a new deal, chytil has 1 yr left before he needs a new deal... it’s kid of similar to the Lundkvist situation on D. Yes they have talent and are good young players with potential, but your going to run into problems finding them the minutes and opportunities..
Then in the wildcard possibility of 1 of Berard/Cuylle/Othmann being closer to nhl duty then initially thought... and it’s another problem.
Plus throw Blais in the top 9 mix for next season as well....
The timing and situations aren’t going to allow us to keep all of these guys in the fold for too much longer.
Some are going to rise to the occasion, others will falter. The key for Drury is to hopefully sell high and keep the ones for us that will have more of an impact on This roster going fwd.
Not necessarily the best guys, but the right guys for the job.
I fully expect our young guys to progress. All of them will, but it’s very likely some will not be with NYR when they do.
I think the big move for a 2C is coming this offseason. I don’t think drury sees strome as a viable long term option with Zibby already signed.
I also think Gallant wants to run a heavier, bigger, and possibly quicker bottom 6 that wrecks havoc on the forecheck, similar to Vegas.
Personally, I’d love something like
Goodrow-Barron-Blais
Hunt-Jarnkrok-Reaves
Ex reuschoff/Gettinger

I think Rooney and chytil are probably gone from the roster

I agree with the sentence after the bold, but disagree with the bolded. I don't see any way under the salary cap to upgrade at 2C (or even to maintain at 2C, as I doubt Strome will take THAT much of a discount). I don't think we can afford a big move for a 2C unless we get one who won't be here more than a year or two (waste of assets from my point of view*) or somehow move Kreider or Trouba. I would run this lineup for this year's playoffs: Kreider--Zib--Laf, Bread--Strome--Chytil, Goodrow--Barron--Kakko, and Hunt--Rooney--Gaut (I love what Reaves has added to the room, but I think other teams feast on his lack of speed in a post-season atmosphere). That 3rd line, for the first time all year, would give us a 3rd line with an identity. It puts Goodrow in his best position. It can be a shut-down line that can also score, keep possession, eat minutes, and win key faceoffs. This summer? It depends on how they use the cap, but if I'm right and there are no great options for 2C's in our budget, I'd just slide Chytil back to C and bump up Kakko. Then run a 3rd line of Goodrow, Barron, and Blais or maybe a cheap import (if Blais prices himself out of what the team can afford--he has arb rights. I worry about his durability. Poor kid has never had a healthy season).

Re: the underlined, to me, that's even more of a reason to give kids as long a leash as possible. Part of our problem in developing high end F prospects is that the team (in my view) rushes them into the NHL lineup. I want them to follow the 1990s Detroit model, where they used to develop their prospects like a slow cooker. Dominate your current level and then keep doing it until there's a spot/or you can take a spot at the next level. It not only ended up with them having seemingly great prospects throughout their system, but it kept the costs down as well. If Chytil had been kept in the AHL where he belonged in his 2nd/3rd year, he'd likely be ~1m cheaper on this 2nd contract, would have had at least another hundred faceoffs (to improve in that area), had the time to work on his defense, etc etc. I want Berard, Cuylle, and especially Othmann to have those development opportunities that our current crop didn't get to have.


* I get that if people think the team has a good chance of winning the Cup this year or next year that such a move might make sense. I just don't see a team this inexperienced being a real threat for a Cup run for another couple of years. Most teams need a couple of long runs before they figure out how to win a marathon.

 

[egelband]

The Handshake City.

Whatever that means,

Like a milkshake, but gross.

 

[Vitto79]

Can’t wait for Drury to botch a Lundkvist trade like he botched the Buch trade.

if it was a 1st plus Blais no one could complain right?

Blais ya good it’s just a bummer he’s hurt
If the 2nd is traded let’s see
If they draft another Cuylie it’s not bad

the cap sucks it’s not like they wanted to trade him

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Someone else said it but I wonder what Winnipeg is gonna do. People have been talking about PLD, but not about Scheifele. He has 2 more years left after this year making 6.1 a year, just in time for when the cap goes up. Will Strome be cheaper to sign than that? Is Strome a better player? Lateral move? He is on a down year so maybe his value dipped a little too. Just another idea for this thread.

 

[pld459666]

I work in Rockland and can confirm anything north is "upstate" lol

Growing up in Manhattan, anything north of the city was upstate

 

[pld459666]

your top prospect can be blocked and still be your top prospect. I’m not saying id rather trade Othman than lundkvist. But I think nils is still rated higher by scouts.

No doubt he is, which helps his trade value.

I'm in no rush to jettison the kid, but if I naad and can improve the team, I'm looking at Nils before Othmann

 

[pld459666]

When I look at the Jets, I see Connor (25), PLD (23), Ehlers (25) as their future.

I do not envision a scenario in which any of those three are moved.

I can see Wheeler with retention being dangled, Stastny will probably be moved and lastly Scheifele.

Hes not a player that needs retention as he is still, even with his slow 1st half, close to a point per game guy. The 7pt shortfall can easily be made up in 2nd half.

Hes not gonna be cheap, but if the Jets want a jump start to the rebuild, hes the guy that has to go.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Jets will probably not make the playoffs this season and the lackluster play of Scheifele is a major reason.

The lapses in the defensive zone and more than occasional fly-by remain and his point production has dropped. But this is about more than just goals or assists -- as he remains third in team scoring with 10 goals and 29 points despite missing six games (including five after landing in the NHL’s COVID-19 protocols).

There have simply been too many instances where Scheifele’s play has not reached the standard he’s established for himself during the 600-plus games in his NHL career.

To this point, the regression is real -- and now it’s up to Scheifele to do something about it.

Too often lately, there’s been a casual nature to his game, especially when it comes to puck management.

Jets in big trouble if Scheifele can't elevate his game after break

 

[I Eat Crow]

The Jets will probably not make the playoffs this season and the lackluster play of Scheifele is a major reason.



Jets in big trouble if Scheifele can't elevate his game after break

Agree. Stay away from Schiefele. The Rangers already have a big name player that floats. Adding Schiefele to center him would be a disaster.

Copp is the player to go for if Winnipeg tears it down.

 

[mas0764]

if it was a 1st plus Blais no one could complain right?

Blais ya good it’s just a bummer he’s hurt
If the 2nd is traded let’s see
If they draft another Cuylie it’s not bad

the cap sucks it’s not like they wanted to trade him

No, I’d still complain. Blais was the wrong target.

 

[Daves a mess]

Right or wrong......

Brennan Othmann to me is what Kravtsov is to @EdJovanovski. Fanboy status here.

Minus the cring worthy creepiness that Ed so expertly brings to the table.

And I'd shoot Nils to Venus before I took one phone call about Schneider.

 

[Vitto79]

No, I’d still complain. Blais was the wrong target.

If they had Blais they wouldn’t be late looking into rentals like Lehkonen

he’s a good gritty player . Besides a higher pick I don’t think they could of done better

 

[DialUp]

Growing up in Manhattan, anything north of the city was upstate

its anything north of 59th street for me, and i live on 56.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Agree. Stay away from Schiefele. The Rangers already have a big name player that floats. Adding Schiefele to center him would be a disaster.

Copp is the player to go for if Winnipeg tears it down.

Just to play devil’s advocate, how much of his down year/lazy play is due to having had the same coach for the last 38588482637 years + new interim coach + team sucking? Gallant is a no nonsense player’s coach, if there’s ever one coach to straighten him out, it is Gallant. I’m not advocating for a trade here, just throwing out names.

 

[Kovalev27]

Looks nervous af lmao

he always looks nervous. That’s his biggest problem. Needs to get comfortable in his own skin to be the player he should be

 

[JohnC]

How have some of you people gone through life with a negative understanding of geography?