Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[DialUp]

Scheifele. He appears checked out up there. Launder the cap hit through Arizona.

Call Marty Byrde, hell text Jonah. I don't care. That would be a solid pick up.

 

[SA16]

Lol, so we traded Grabner for nothing.

No we traded him for a 2nd and Rykov

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Call Marty Byrde, hell text Jonah. I don't care. That would be a solid pick up.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Lol, so we traded Grabner for nothing.

we traded grabner for rykov and a 2nd. The 2nd was used to move up for miller.

 

[NYR Viper]

What is the plan for Dubois in Winnipeg? If they sell off a guy like Scheifele, is he excited to sign long term?

 

[duhmetreE]

I think you are correct on Lafreniere. I am not sure you are correct on Kakko. I think there might be some realistic scenarios where they could trade him.

The problem becomes, there's nothing worth moving him for.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

I work in Rockland and can confirm anything north is "upstate" lol

I live in Rockland and can also confirm likewise.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

What is the plan for Dubois in Winnipeg? If they sell off a guy like Scheifele, is he excited to sign long term?

If Winnipeg wants to play ball on him I’d open up the chest to get him

let Strome go and ride Mika and PLD

 

[KOVALEV022473]

No we traded him for a 2nd and Rykov

Oh yeah. Thanks.

 

[Anthony5967]

I think you are correct on Lafreniere. I am not sure you are correct on Kakko. I think there might be some realistic scenarios where they could trade him.

Drury is trading neither one. They’re thin as is on the right side, and Kakko is 20 and has shown tremendous strides from worst forward in hockey to excellent defensive metrics in comparison.

 

[Lgrsean]

I'm not moving Othmann for JT.

I'd move Nils LOOONG before Othmann.

Nils has Fox, Trouba and Schnieder ahead of him on the RD pecking order.

Add Lindgren, Miller and in my opinion Jones on the LD

Nils is excess, and as such should be used as bait

your top prospect can be blocked and still be your top prospect. I’m not saying id rather trade Othman than lundkvist. But I think nils is still rated higher by scouts.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Two first round picks and a 3rd for JT Miller?

At that price, no thank you. Not a fan of bringing him back anyway.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I think you are correct on Lafreniere. I am not sure you are correct on Kakko. I think there might be some realistic scenarios where they could trade him.

The return would have to be something massive.

 

[bbny]

The return would have to be something massive.

I agree. I just think Kakko has moved from untouchable to “ehhhh prob not gonna trade but i’ll listen”. His ELC being up is probably part of it.

 

[smoneil]

If Laf and kakko are in a top 9 with bread, mika, Kreider, Miller, strome and goodrow, they wouldn’t need to have a massive jump in production for the rangers to make deep runs at the cup. But at least they’d be given a chance to get playoff experience and play at their natural positions with ppg line mates. And if they don’t progress before next years playoff run, your plan, which relies on them progressing much more than my suggestion.

your plan relies on developing a center we haven’t drafted yet, which we haven’t done in how long?

sure what I’m suggesting isn’t definite, but at least we take advantage of igors cheap years.

1: This is what you said that I responded to: "don't you think they'll be significantly more productive by next year's playoff run?" Suddenly, that becomes "they wouldn't need to have a massive jump in production" because of the guys in the top six + Miller. Which is it?

2: My plan doesn't rely on developing a center we haven't drafted yet. It relies on getting the team playoff experience while riding out the last couple seasons of the flat cap. MOST teams go through a couple of years of playoff fits and spurts before becoming a full on contender. It is rare for a team to go from "no playoffs in 5 years" to "Cup contender" by adding a rental. Using those resources to move up the draft and add a center is about adding pieces that will be difference makers on a team that would be built to consistently contend. My assumption is that, when the cap goes up, we would either sign a 2C or trade for one (that would be the ideal time to make a move for a Miller level talent, in my opinion).

3: Your plan still assumes that playoff experience doesn't matter. This team has almost none of it. Shesty, Fox, Lindgren, Miller, Jones/Schneider/Lundkvist/Hajek--NONE of them have seen a single playoff game. Only Trouba has any experience (27 games--I'm not counting the play-in), none of it is very recent, and he's only EVER been on one deep "run" (2017-18 with Winnipeg). The forwards are almost as bad outside of Bread and Kreider (top six) and Goodrow (bottom six).

 

[jay from jersey]

your top prospect can be blocked and still be your top prospect. I’m not saying id rather trade Othman than lundkvist. But I think nils is still rated higher by scouts.

Yea, but what happens to his value???
If he has a poor showing in the A, or doesn’t play there like he did in the SEL, and is still continued to be blocked from the nhl roster, you’re basically decreasing 1 of you’re beat assets

 

[jay from jersey]

I agree. I just think Kakko has moved from untouchable to “ehhhh prob not gonna trade but i’ll listen”. His ELC being up is probably part of it.

PLDis a guy I could conceivably see trading kakko for.
He’s not too much older, both are top 2-3 picks, but PLD is a center and more established. He’s also going to be paid more currently...
But if it’s not a young center with term/high ceiling, there’s really no point.
PLD checks off a lot of boxes ..
-solid chemistry centering panarin
-2-way responsible more hard nosed N/S game then strome.
Young
-solid playoff performer in limited time

 

[smoneil]

He's from Syracuse which is considered Upstate, but Buffalo is considered Western NY, and when people conflate the two, it annoys the f***ing shit out of me. Why? I'm from Upstate. The side that is Rangers territory, thankfully.

NY carves itself up too damned much. You have NYC, Upstate, Central NY, Western NY, the Southern Tier, the Finger Lakes, etc etc. To most everyone outside of the state, there are only two parts of NY: The City and the rest (which I think they assume is just like, parking for the city). I always chuckle when people fail to realize the size of the state. I ran a conference in Rochester once, and a participant who was coming in from India emailed to ask me if it would be possible to "pop over" and see some of the NYC sights in the late afternoons after the panels wrapped. I was like, "...one does not simply 'pop over' to NYC from Rochester. It's like 6+ hours each way or something like that)."

 

[mottosays]

NY carves itself up too damned much. You have NYC, Upstate, Central NY, Western NY, the Southern Tier, the Finger Lakes, etc etc. To most everyone outside of the state, there are only two parts of NY: The City and the rest (which I think they assume is just like, parking for the city). I always chuckle when people fail to realize the size of the state. I ran a conference in Rochester once, and a participant who was coming in from India emailed to ask me if it would be possible to "pop over" and see some of the NYC sights in the late afternoons after the panels wrapped. I was like, "...one does not simply 'pop over' to NYC from Rochester. It's like 6+ hours each way or something like that)."

The entire Northeast is a provincial place. From Philadelphia to New York to Boston and everywhere in between.

There is provicinalism between not only NYC and Buffalo but Albany and Buffalo and Syracuse and Albany, etc.

It's a larger state that doesn't get it's credit. It's pulled in so many different directions. Great Lakes, Mid-Atlantic, New England, etc.

 

[smoneil]

This team has zero need for Chytil. He brings nothing of value. Hate to even say that because I was hopeful. Time to move on. Get whatever you can get for him.

He was playing great as the 2nd line RW just (checks notes) TWO games ago. He's had worse usage/minutes than Laf/Kakko (significantly so compared to Kakko), but is right in the same area re: production, and he's still just 22.

Dumping young players because we decide they are worthless only to watch them do well with other teams is an interesting way to run a rebuilding team.

If someone blows us away with an offer for a young player? Sure--nobody is untouchable. But people on here want to yeet this kid into the sun, which just strikes me as a foolish waste of an asset that was developing very well until this year (and as his shooting percentage is about half of what it was the last couple of seasons, I'm thinking this is a kid in a slump, rather than a derailed development).

And I'm not going to lie and say that I saw this one coming, but Brett Howden is at .5ppg with Vegas this season. If Howden can develop into something useful at 23/24 years of age, Chytil is more than capable of doing the same or better.

 

[smoneil]

The entire Northeast is a provincial place. From Philadelphia to New York to Boston and everywhere in between.

There is provicinalism between not only NYC and Buffalo but Albany and Buffalo and Syracuse and Albany, etc.

It's a larger state that doesn't get it's credit. It's pulled in so many different directions. Great Lakes, Mid-Atlantic, New England, etc.

Agreed. I lived in Rochester for years, and that city has a definite "kid sibling" vibe with Buffalo. In so many ways, Rochester is better/nicer than Buffalo, but Buff has the pro sports teams and the Buffalo wings, while Roc is all minor leagues and garbage plates. I'd kill to go back to Rochester, though. I miss it. And Arkansas blows (been here almost two years now).

 

[smoneil]

PLDis a guy I could conceivably see trading kakko for.
He’s not too much older, both are top 2-3 picks, but PLD is a center and more established. He’s also going to be paid more currently...
But if it’s not a young center with term/high ceiling, there’s really no point.
PLD checks off a lot of boxes ..
-solid chemistry centering panarin
-2-way responsible more hard nosed N/S game then strome.
Young
-solid playoff performer in limited time

He'd be great (perfect, actually), but he's due a new contract this summer, isn't he? And I think he's an Arb Eligible RFA. Even if we could pry him out of Winnipeg (and I think it would cost Kakko plus another significant asset as a starting point), would we be able to afford him? And who would play right wing? I also worry about what happened in Columbus. He gave up on his team once already. If I were Drury, I'd want to have a serious conversation with him before putting up what he would cost.

 

[mas0764]

Can’t wait for Drury to botch a Lundkvist trade like he botched the Buch trade.

 

[Lgrsean]

1: This is what you said that I responded to: "don't you think they'll be significantly more productive by next year's playoff run?" Suddenly, that becomes "they wouldn't need to have a massive jump in production" because of the guys in the top six + Miller. Which is it?

Come on man. Here's my full quote:
"I don't think you can say with confidence that your plan will put together more talent than a top 9 lead by Bread, Mika, Kreider, JT Miller, Strome, Kakko, and Laf over the next 2 years. And if you expect Laf and Kakko to be a reason why the plan you suggest works, don't you think they'll be significantly more productive by next year's playoff run?"

My point is that the forward group with Miller would be relying on veterans with a track record of point production. If you think our forward group would be better in 2.5 years, you must be expecting much more production from Kakko and Laf at that point, or from someone else who isn't currently on the roster. Who do you expect to be getting production from in 2.5 years? Never did I say the Rangers would be relying on "massive jump" from Laf or Kakko in the next 2 years.

2: My plan doesn't rely on developing a center we haven't drafted yet. It relies on getting the team playoff experience while riding out the last couple seasons of the flat cap.

This was your plan:
"Two and a half years from now, when the flat cap ends and there is an expected big bump in the cap, and when our first wave of kids are 22-25 instead of 20-22, and the second wave of kids is breaking in, and our vet core is still only 30-32. Particularly if we use the assets that some folks have earmarked for the most expensive rentals and use them instead to get either long-term pieces and/or to move up the draft so we can finally add the high-end center prospect we haven't had in 15 years."

OK so scrap everything you said about the high end center prospect. Straight forward question: Who are you expecting in our forward group to be better than who we have now + JT Miller and how do we get them? And why are we riding out 2 of Igor's cheap years?

3: Your plan still assumes that playoff experience doesn't matter

Not at all. Bringing in JT Miller would give the Rangers a chance to go further in the playoffs over the next 2 years than without him. That experience will of course benefit our young players in the future. And while they are getting this experience, maybe Igor saves everything and we win a cup. If not, everyone's still on the team except for Lundkvist (blocked), 1st round pick (in the 20s), and maybe someone like Kravstov who doesn't have a great shot at playing for the Rangers again anyway.

 

[duhmetreE]

Can’t wait for Drury to botch a Lundkvist trade like he botched the Buch trade.

he'll be packaged for a stud. dont worry