Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXV

[Shesterkybomb]

Re: Lundqvist...New York has always been a tough town to grow old in. Ranger fans have always had great admiration for this seminal star but perhaps his time has passed. Perhaps he know this better than most. When I first raised the issue of him leaving a few weeks ago, the fallback was he won’t walk away from that contract. He might. The thought of him playing for another team was blasphemy. He might. For several weeks I’ve thought this season was taking a toll on him. The last two weeks have really amplified that thought.

It will be a very sad day when the King reigns no more. I’m braced for it to happen sooner rather than later.

The only only only way it will happen is if Shestyorkin comes over and immediately out plays him. He may want to continue to play after this contract and if Shestyorkin shows well then Lundqvist may want to go to another team to get another contract. If he is planning on retiring then he will retire a Ranger.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Because many falsely assume Shattenkirk has negative value.

not negative, but what value can you expect back for him with such decline in production? I think Fox is a fair return for Shattenkirk.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

not negative, but what value can you expect back for him with such decline in production? I think Fox is a fair return for Shattenkirk.

Carolina has too many dmen, I doubt they want Shattenkirk back. Would they take Fast? That might be the type of player they need

 

[RangerBoy]

Mark Cannizzaro usually writes about the NFL. He was a longtime Jets beat writer. He is now a NFL columnist. Cannizzaro covered the Rangers-Devils game for some reason. He wrote about Lundqvist for today's Post.

David Quinn and Henrik Lundqvist are driving on the same highway.

But the Rangers coach, who’s in his first year, and the franchise’s all-time goaltender, who played in his 856th career game with the club Monday night, are riding in different lanes.

At age 37, Lundqvist wants — needs — to be in the fast lane.

With proven starters traded away and replaced with a revamped roster of youth, Quinn has been given no choice but to plod deliberately along in the slow lane.

And make no mistake: The right lane is not the right lane for Lundqvist, whose window of opportunity to chase the Stanley Cup that has cruelly eluded him, is closing as sure as the spring weather approaching the Northeast right now.

Quinn, who was hired by Rangers management before this season knowing full well he was going to be a central part of the roster tear-down and rebuild, has the luxury — to some degree, anyway — of patience.

Lundqvist — who’s in his 14th year with the Rangers, has seen his play slip in the second half of the past couple seasons and has a young backup, Alexandar Georgiev, playing well behind him — does not have the luxury of patience in his pocket.

This understandably has hurt Lundqvist. It’s hurt his psyche and it’s hurt his play. But it’s the unsavory underbelly of all sports — time catching up with greatness.

For Lundqvist’s entire existence in New York, every day he’s come to work the narrow focus always has been chasing the Stanley Cup.

Now he’s in the awkward position of playing amidst a rebuild and not knowing whether he’s going to be a part of the final product, not knowing whether he’ll ever be able to taste the fruits of whatever reward might lie on the other side of general manager Jeff Gorton and president Glen Sather’s plan.

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Cannizzaro hit on every point.

Lundqvist will be retired and back in Sweden when the final product is playing for the Rangers.

Everyone appreciates what Lundqvist has done for the Rangers.

The Rangers are moving in a different direction. They have literally traded everyone. Every fan favorite.

The Rangers and Lundqvist are in different lanes.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

not negative, but what value can you expect back for him with such decline in production? I think Fox is a fair return for Shattenkirk.

A D prospect currently in college for a proven NHL D-man is not a fair return

 

[pld459666]

I'd take all the worry away from Hank and trade him this summer to a Blues team that needs a good goalie.

I'd take Jake Allen back and let him split time with Georgiev or Shesty

If Hank is gonna pull a zucc and cry is fricken wheaties, I have no need or patience for that

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Interesting thing to note, since the trade deadline Ryan Strome has 13 points and Kevin Hayes 12, both playing well but if Strome can continue to replicate Hayes production here we might have gotten free first and a free Lemieux basically. I dont wanna get into a slap fight over Hayes as I realize they are two different players but its interesting to see how a heavier workload has impacted Strome.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

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Cannizzaro hit on every point.

Lundqvist will be retired and back in Sweden when the final product is playing for the Rangers.

Everyone appreciates what Lundqvist has done for the Rangers.

The Rangers are moving in a different direction. They have literally traded everyone. Every fan favorite.

The Rangers and Lundqvist are in different lanes.

They are but the player is under contract and they have no plan to pressure him out of here and unless Hendrik wants to continue playing past his contract he will retire a Ranger.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

If he makes it to UFA, then that first is probably off the table anyways.

Either way, I still wouldn’t do it

 

[eco's bones]

I'm not convinced Henrik is going anywhere anytime soon. His No. 1 status though with us is very much in doubt. If Quinn thinks he can get more wins out of Georgiev he will play him and he should. Moving Henrik might be very complicated though. His NMC (he can block trades)--his cap hit (which is very substantial for an older player)--the tendency of better teams having very good and cheaper goaltending which limits or maybe even wipes out contending teams he could potentially play for. And then what would we get back for trading him? Negotiating a deal could very well turn into a black eye for the Rangers and maybe even for the league.

What would be a fair return for a (declining?) 38 year old goalie with 2 years left on his $8.5 mil per annum contract? A 1st?--is that too much? We might not be able to get even that. What if we had to take on some team's garbage to move him along?

 

[Irishguy42]

Interesting thing to note, since the trade deadline Ryan Strome has 13 points and Kevin Hayes 12, both playing well but if Strome can continue to replicate Hayes production here we might have gotten free first and a free Lemieux basically. I dont wanna get into a slap fight over Hayes as I realize they are two different players but its interesting to see how a heavier workload has impacted Strome.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Lundqvist will come to his senses after talking to his buddy Zuccarello and will accept a trade possibly to San Jose?

 

[East Coast Bias]

Hank had a rough year. By far his worst statistically. He’s not ruining the rebuild. He’s not helping us win and we aren’t trying to win. People are against UFAs so the money isn’t a big issue.

What is the goal in getting him out ASAP?

What is this huge need to trade him?

He has a NMC and he’s free to excercise it. I’m not sure why people are getting worked up over this. He’s not putting up Vezina level seasons here.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Carolina has too many dmen, I doubt they want Shattenkirk back. Would they take Fast? That might be the type of player they need

Do you have difficulty understanding that this is a trade involving a 3rd team?

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

A D prospect currently in college for a proven NHL D-man is not a fair return

what is the fair return for Shat?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

what is the fair return for Shat?

A 1st round pick and a prospect. Because players like Shattenkirk don't lose their value just because of a bad year or two.

Look at what Nash or Eric Staal returned as rentals.

 

[SA16]

I'd take all the worry away from Hank and trade him this summer to a Blues team that needs a good goalie.

I'd take Jake Allen back and let him split time with Georgiev or Shesty

If Hank is gonna pull a zucc and cry is fricken wheaties, I have no need or patience for that

The Blues have a rookie goalie who has a .928 save percentage in 30 games that has basically saved the season for them. I do not think they are interested in moving on from him for a near 40 year old goalie with a large cap hit.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

A 1st round pick and a prospect. Because players like Shattenkirk don't lose their value just because of a bad year or two.

Look at what Nash or Eric Staal returned as rentals.

I will not bother arguing these ridiculous statements.

 

[NYR Viper]

If you were the Rangers, would you be interested in a deal of Shattenkirk to Edmonton for Sam Gagner + Brandon Manning + Picks/Prospects

The salaries come out pretty close

Gagner = $3.15m
Manning = $2.25m

Both of their contracts end at the end of next season

 

[East Coast Bias]

If you were the Rangers, would you be interested in a deal of Shattenkirk to Edmonton for Sam Gagner + Brandon Manning + Picks/Prospects

The salaries come out pretty close

Gagner = $3.15m
Manning = $2.25m

Both of their contracts end at the end of next season

What are the picks? Substantial? Because every other piece of that trade benefits Edmonton.

 

[Off Sides]

If Bob leaves Columbus, Lundqvist could maybe fit in there.

If Panarin leaves, maybe Kreider too.

I have no idea what Columbus is up to, they have all of Duchene, Panarin, Bob, Dzingel, McQuaid as pending UFAs.

If they all leave, they either have to find a way to back-fill, or they have to start to rebuild, yet their cap structure for a rebuild looks bad.

I'd guess a retool if they trade out more futures and make a UFA signing perhaps. Rangers have several players that could fit into a retool, some of which they signed themselves for that purpose. Columbus does not have many futures left, Foudy, and if Duchene leaves it opens up their 2020 1st.

 

[Kovalev27]

The issue wouldn’t even be an issue if not for Shesterkin and Georgiev both putting the pressure on. If Shesterkin is serious about an NHL career he knows he needs to come over next season and do what’s asked of him. That’s going to mean playing AHL games. Because Georgiev isn’t going to spend the whole year there. They may say Shesterkin you’ve got to play the year down there and prove you’re the real deal because when you listen to the media around the team the gianonnes the Maloney’s the valiquettes they aren’t so sure and that’s coming from somewhere. So look we have to see the kid play over here before anyone can give a fair assessment but I don’t think Georgiev is going anywhere anytime soon.

That’s where hank basically becomes the third wheel.

 

[haveandare]

Not at the expense of a first

It's Dallas. Odds are they'd use it on another horrible choice who gives them nothing.

 

[RGY]

Another day, another Lundqvist mention.

Give it a rest.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

A 1st round pick and a prospect. Because players like Shattenkirk don't lose their value just because of a bad year or two.

Look at what Nash or Eric Staal returned as rentals.

They had stronger reputations.

Maybe you can coax a 1st out of a team if you retain 50%, but you’re probably looking at something closer to the zuccarello return.