Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXV

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

vesey for fox would be based god

plssssss let that happen somehow

 

[Trxjw]

Understood, but in this scenario, it’d have to most likely be 50% and I don’t want to incur that much retention.

Personal bias aside, I want Hank to retire a Ranger and for him to show the younger guys the focus and mentality required to be a consistent elite-level player. He’s one of the most consistent players to ever play.

I'd retain 50% if it made sense. For example, Hank to St Louis for Allen would basically net even in terms of cap implications for us. The problem is I don't see Hank living in St Louis for a year.

 

[Tawnos]

Vesey for Fox is really bad for the Rangers.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Unless Carolina actually has multiple suitors, they’re not going to sniff a high 2nd.

Take the Dallas 3rd and Pionk and be done with it.

The Dallas 3rd that becomes a 1st if Zuccarello re-signs there?

 

[bobbop]

I think the much, much higher probability is that Henrik retires to Sweden. He would be well compensated in the Swedish league, live at home, could play in international events and probably make a fortune in endorsement. I can see this as much more possible than Columbus or Calgary.

 

[Thirty One]

I think I remember a player called Vesey. What ever happened to him?

 

[GAGLine]

I think the much, much higher probability is that Henrik retires to Sweden. He would be well compensated in the Swedish league, live at home, could play in international events and probably make a fortune in endorsement. I can see this as much more possible than Columbus or Calgary.

Play 1 more year. We can juggle the 3 goalies for a year while we see how Shesty adjusts to the AHL/NHL. Hank makes 7 mil next year, 5.5 mil the year after. He gets the majority of his money, we don't need to trade one of our promising young goalies before they show they can be #1s.

 

[wafflepadsave]

The worse state EDM get into, the more likely a McDavid trade is becoming. McDavid is really a super marketable generational talent, totally wasted in EDM. Almost totally wasted at least. It’s hard to see that EDM will be much better next season than this year. Or that they will be a contender in the coming years.

Nobody can be happy about this. It’s like LeBron being stashed away on some NBA team never making the POs his entire prime. I don’t know the NBA, but like Toronto and then not being in the POs his first 8 years.

What had LeBron been worth for the NBA? What would McDavid in any kind of marketable position be worth to the NHL?

It’s getting to a point where at least everyone in the business would have sympathy if McDavid pulled a Lindros. I bet that today already, people are asking that agent of him, same as Matthews has right, if they really are satisfied with McDavids situation?

How much is EDMs obliviation of the most marketable asset hockey is going to have in decades costing the league? All teams? We are certainly talking 100s of million of dollars.

And really, and I know this will sound a bit nutty, but you could even argue that it would be best for EDM to deal McDavid. They have zero flexibility the coming years. They are so flawed, so far from competing. They could deal McDavid and force the taker to take Lucic at 100%, ie clearing almost 20m of cap space, and still return a number of great young assets. I have a hard time not seing them take the same type of step forward as the Islanders have done if they could use that flexibility to get some depth.

It’s okay. Watch them land a top 3 pick again.

 

[Kovalev27]

Carolina is not getting our 2nd. imo the most we'd offer is a conditional 2nd being Tampa's second rounder if they don't win the Cup. or a third round pick if they do. That's the best they are going to get. maybe a marginal prospect as a sweeter but not much else.

they aren't getting roster players

 

[pld459666]

The Blues have a rookie goalie who has a .928 save percentage in 30 games that has basically saved the season for them. I do not think they are interested in moving on from him for a near 40 year old goalie with a large cap hit.

I'd wager that they are less sure of a rookie goalie than you are.

But I can understand if they wanted to pass.

 

[Ola]

I think I remember a player called Vesey. What ever happened to him?

Who??

 

[Shesterkybomb]

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

Ok explain how this works, how any of this works.

 

[Ola]

I think the much, much higher probability is that Henrik retires to Sweden. He would be well compensated in the Swedish league, live at home, could play in international events and probably make a fortune in endorsement. I can see this as much more possible than Columbus or Calgary.

For him it’s all about not running away, mentally he wants to retire, but his hockey career is a unique opportunity with tremendous benefits and he has decided that he owes it to himself to not call it quits early. Other guys talks about how they have goals etc, Hank that he has committed to play X more years and how he feels pressure to work the hardest he can to make sure that he can manage to do it.

I’ve heard so many interviews with him over the years, seen long shows when he participated in interview situations etc. Mainstream TV stuff in Sweden. Many stretches for Hank has been really really tough over the years. Not many years have really passed by on autopilot.

Don’t think he sees any upside with going elsewhere. I also don’t think Hank, Gorton or anyone else around the organization would want Hank to walk away at this point. Think about it, the first thing Gorton would have to do is find some kind of vet replacement/backup. From ‘our’ POV it might make sense to speculate on him being sold off somewhere, but if that isn’t on the table and the option is retirement — why force it? We have cap space and Shesty isn’t even signed yet and should need time in the AHL. Furthermore Hank is a great leader and super professional who is important to have in the room.

 

[Off Sides]

Play 1 more year. We can juggle the 3 goalies for a year while we see how Shesty adjusts to the AHL/NHL. Hank makes 7 mil next year, 5.5 mil the year after. He gets the majority of his money, we don't need to trade one of our promising young goalies before they show they can be #1s.

I assume that is the plan, yet to be fair to him I also assume the Rangers are telling him it's possible he plays less and less games next year.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Do you have difficulty understanding that this is a trade involving a 3rd team?

What team is taking Shattenkirk and magically making Fox appear, explain that one first.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I'd retain 50% if it made sense. For example, Hank to St Louis for Allen would basically net even in terms of cap implications for us. The problem is I don't see Hank living in St Louis for a year.

I probably would too if it came down it it. However, I just can’t think of many teams besides maybe CAR, CBJ, FLA, and STL who would need a goalie. Florida probably signs Bob, CBJ was rumored to be interested in Quick, Carolina will probably roll with Mrazek, and I could see STL staying invested in Binnington. I just don’t really see a situation where Hank waives his NMC and we find a reasonable suitor.

 

[Ola]

Vesey for Fox is really bad for the Rangers.

I used to be a bit higher on Vesey, I mean he is still getting better. Season stats don’t tell the full story, he has finished strong etc. You can clearly see that the game is still fast for him, he rushes passes etc, but that he slowly is coping better and better with the pace.

And while he is frustrating to watch at times, a few smaller improvements could help him pretty much on the ice and he don’t have to improve that much to get to a perfectly acceptable level.

BUT, realizing that he is an UFA after next season does change the impact of that hope a lot. It’s litterary a damned if he do develop, damned if he don’t situation. Like what is the point? Let’s say that he gets a big role and does fairly well next season, what are you going to do, pay him 5-6m per? We might get a 2nd for him as a rental — IF we grant him a key role and he does well??

I also wonder what value he has this summer. Like would anyone be interested in him with that contract? It’s just such a puzzling contract Gorton signed him to last season.

Lol, I wonder if any GM in the league has as bad track record when signing contracts as Gorton have. Has Gorton — ever — signed a player to a contract that wasn’t horrible?? That would be Skjei, maybe.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

vesey for fox would be based god

plssssss let that happen somehow

I am probably one of Vesey's harshest critics but trading Vesey for a soon-to-be college free agent is a dumb trade

 

[SA16]

It's pretty obvious that if the Rangers were to offer the Dallas 3rd in a trade that it would be conditional on whether or not it turns into a first...

 

[romba]

I think the much, much higher probability is that Henrik retires to Sweden. He would be well compensated in the Swedish league, live at home, could play in international events and probably make a fortune in endorsement. I can see this as much more possible than Columbus or Calgary.

Hank has put down deep roots in NYC. His family is here, his life is here, he's fully embraced the city and fans and is one with the city and the NYR. It's why he got the full NMC and has been enforcing it. He's not interested in controlling who he's traded to, he simply does not want to be traded. He's happy here in NYC regardless of the team being in the dumps which is nice to see actually. As comfortable as he would be in Sweden, the distance from his family and roots will definitely be a no go for him. Additionally, his competitive edge won't allow him to go to a league with significantly weaker competition and be happy. The two reasons (NYC roots and family + weaker competition in Sweden) in conjunction basically = no chance imo.

After the current contract expires he either will sign a short term deal with the Rangers if they're willing (unlikely), or he retires and takes a break from hockey for a while (more likely).

 

[Ola]

What team is taking Shattenkirk and magically making Fox appear, explain that one first.

Best case is trade with 50% retention. It’s only 2 years. Would be really be unmoveable?

Otherwise, we have the cap space, send him to the AHL. He can walk away from the contract and sign elsewhere, or collect the paycheck if he prefers. A buy-out is also an option of course.

Something is seriously wrong if he hasn’t played his last game with us after this weekend. WTF, we are rebuilding and he is blocking the kids. Enough already with the special threatment of UFAs.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I am probably one of Vesey's harshest critics but trading Vesey for a soon-to-be college free agent is a dumb trade

I’d trade vesey for a 7th sooooo

 

[Trxjw]

I probably would too if it came down it it. However, I just can’t think of many teams besides maybe CAR, CBJ, FLA, and STL who would need a goalie. Florida probably signs Bob, CBJ was rumored to be interested in Quick, Carolina will probably roll with Mrazek, and I could see STL staying invested in Binnington. I just don’t really see a situation where Hank waives his NMC and we find a reasonable suitor.

The only other one I could think of was Chicago. Though it'd require them thinking this season was just a bump in the road and them not feeling confident in Crawford's health for next season. He's also a UFA in 2020 so having Hank that extra year on the cheap might be appealing when it comes time to extend Strome and Debrincat.

 

[NYR Viper]

I probably would too if it came down it it. However, I just can’t think of many teams besides maybe CAR, CBJ, FLA, and STL who would need a goalie. Florida probably signs Bob, CBJ was rumored to be interested in Quick, Carolina will probably roll with Mrazek, and I could see STL staying invested in Binnington. I just don’t really see a situation where Hank waives his NMC and we find a reasonable suitor.

Calgary would be a good spot for him

 

[Tawnos]

I used to be a bit higher on Vesey, I mean he is still getting better. Season stats don’t tell the full story, he has finished strong etc. You can clearly see that the game is still fast for him, he rushes passes etc, but that he slowly is coping better and better with the pace.

And while he is frustrating to watch at times, a few smaller improvements could help him pretty much on the ice and he don’t have to improve that much to get to a perfectly acceptable level.

BUT, realizing that he is an UFA after next season does change the impact of that hope a lot. It’s litterary a damned if he do develop, damned if he don’t situation. Like what is the point? Let’s say that he gets a big role and does fairly well next season, what are you going to do, pay him 5-6m per? We might get a 2nd for him as a rental — IF we grant him a key role and he does well??

I also wonder what value he has this summer. Like would anyone be interested in him with that contract? It’s just such a puzzling contract Gorton signed him to last season.

Lol, I wonder if any GM in the league has as bad track record when signing contracts as Gorton have. Has Gorton — ever — signed a player to a contract that wasn’t horrible?? That would be Skjei, maybe.

You know, I wasn't thinking of it in terms of Vesey being a UFA next season. In that sense, Vesey for Fox does make a certain amount of sense as it fits into the "pending UFA for futures" mold.