Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXV

[GeorgeKaplan]

I probably would too if it came down it it. However, I just can’t think of many teams besides maybe CAR, CBJ, FLA, and STL who would need a goalie. Florida probably signs Bob, CBJ was rumored to be interested in Quick, Carolina will probably roll with Mrazek, and I could see STL staying invested in Binnington. I just don’t really see a situation where Hank waives his NMC and we find a reasonable suitor.

One of them is probably going to get Varlamov too

 

[SA16]

He's not getting traded and he has no value anyway. Even at 50% he would be the 19th highest paid goalie.

 

[Irishguy42]

Ok explain how this works, how any of this works.

If Strome was replacing Hayes' offensive production, he'd have to produce for both himself and Hayes.

Just because he's produced the same raw numbers as Hayes has with WPG doesn't automatically mean he's replaced Hayes' production. To consider Strome having "replaced" Hayes' production, he would have had to have 20+ pts.

If we got Strome at the TDL and he was producing this much and in the same role, than yes, you could say that he replaced Hayes' production. But Strome was on the roster way before. So to say he replaced the production would mean you're now binning Strome into Hayes' slot, and someone else now needs to "replace" Strome's production, and so on and so forth. Of which, that hasn't happened.

This isn't rocket science.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Calgary would be a good spot for him

He’s hate Calgary as a city, and his lifestyle is very important to him.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I’d trade vesey for a 7th sooooo

I think Vesey is worth a 3rd rounder and I think a 3rd is too much for the rights of a college player who intends to explore free agency. And if he plans to sign only with us, then even a 7th rounder is a waste for his rights

 

[Krams]

Why though. I mean, I usually agree with you but not here. Why would you trade a 25 year old, 17 goal/35 point guy for a 7th? I can't see there being any logical reason for that.

Whether you like Vesey or not, that is objectively terrible value and horrible asset management.

 

[SA16]

Pionk or bust. I don't see why we even add the 3rd. Fox has Waddell by the... and that means so do the interested suitors. You can't let a significant piece of the Hanifin/Lindholm trade walk away for nothing just to make a point.

I don't know. Maybe I am getting greedy by saying Pionk or nothing, but I can't see Waddell having much, if any leverage here.

Well if there are multiple suitors for Fox (that he is willing to sign with) then to behave rationally they essentially must bid their value of the player and do not actually have the leverage. Else the Canes will always be able to present Team A's offer to Team B who will be able to one up it and so on until you reach their true valuation. This is the case for any amount of suitors > 1. If the Rangers are the only team that he will sign with then they of course have all the leverage and it's just up to Carolina to decide what they are willing to accept.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

If Strome was replacing Hayes' offensive production, he'd have to produce for both himself and Hayes.

Just because he's produced the same raw numbers as Hayes has with WPG doesn't automatically mean he's replaced Hayes' production. To consider Strome having "replaced" Hayes' production, he would have had to have 20+ pts.

If we got Strome at the TDL and he was producing this much and in the same role, than yes, you could say that he replaced Hayes' production. But Strome was on the roster way before. So to say he replaced the production would mean you're now binning Strome into Hayes' slot, and someone else now needs to "replace" Strome's production, and so on and so forth. Of which, that hasn't happened.

This isn't rocket science.

You are absolutely and spatially correct. I think the guy was trying to say that Strome has stepped up in Hayes’ absence and so we miss him less and got a very good return considering Lemieuxs impact.

 

[E-Train]

Canes can have the CLB 4th or GTFO. If Lou wants to pay, let him land on the Island.

 

[Irishguy42]

You are absolutely and spatially correct. I think the guy was trying to say that Strome has stepped up in Hayes’ absence and so we miss him less and got a very good return considering Lemieuxs impact.

Strome has indeed stepped up. Does not make it that we got Lemieux and a 1st "basically for free"

 

[Ola]

Deal Vesey and Names for picks or whatever.

Deal Shatty or dump him in the AHL (he can walk away if he wants to and become an UFA).

Get Fox and sign CURTIS LAZAR as a free agent.

Forget about the big name UFAs.

Kravtsov-Ziba-Buch
Howden-Chytil-Lazar
Lemieux-Lias-Fast
Smith-Strome-Vinny
Staal-TDA
Skjei-Fox
Hajak-Pionk
Geo
Hank

PO team. Questions on this?

 

[Kovalev27]

no kid that grew up an avid Rangers fan and has a chance to become a New York Ranger is going to rush to sign with the Islanders of all teams if his heart is set on the islanders. Even Islander fans like matt Gilroy rather sign with the Rangers than the islanders. no one ever picks the Islanders over the Rangers. there are plenty of reasons for it and points in the standings isn't it.

 

[SA16]

Curtis Lazar is a bust why do we want him and more why are we putting him on the 2nd line?

 

[E-Train]

no kid that grew up an avid Rangers fan and has a chance to become a New York Ranger is going to rush to sign with the Islanders of all teams if his heart is set on the islanders. Even Islander fans like matt Gilroy rather sign with the Rangers than the islanders. no one ever picks the Islanders over the Rangers. there are plenty of reasons for it and points in the standings isn't it.

I’d rather he go to the Island than hear you complain about his skating.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If Strome was replacing Hayes' offensive production, he'd have to produce for both himself and Hayes.

Just because he's produced the same raw numbers as Hayes has with WPG doesn't automatically mean he's replaced Hayes' production. To consider Strome having "replaced" Hayes' production, he would have had to have 20+ pts.

If we got Strome at the TDL and he was producing this much and in the same role, than yes, you could say that he replaced Hayes' production. But Strome was on the roster way before. So to say he replaced the production would mean you're now binning Strome into Hayes' slot, and someone else now needs to "replace" Strome's production, and so on and so forth. Of which, that hasn't happened.

This isn't rocket science.

Strome before the deadline. .39 pts per game, after the deadline .76 per game. Replacing .39 pts per game in the bottom 6 can be done easily. Howden returning and getting more ice time and producing has more than made up for that not to mention the addition of Lemieux who is at .375 since the deadline ppg. Not to say this is how its gonna be but losing Hayes has been a net gain thus far.

 

[Irishguy42]

losing Hayes has been a net gain.

We're done here if this is what you think all of this boils down to.

 

[SA16]

Strome before the deadline. .39 pts per game, after the deadline .76 per game. Replacing .39 pts per game in the bottom 6 can be done easily. Howden returning and getting more ice time and producing has more than made up for that. Not to say this is how its gonna be but losing Hayes has been a net gain for the draft lottery odds.

I believe you missed a few words at the end of your last sentence.

 

[SML2]

Miller had a very tough time on this board from his rookie season almost up until the point we got not enough for him in a trade

You're aware this board isn't really a place, right? Miller never had a tough time here. He was never "here". In the minds of a bunch of people he couldn't care less about, there was an issue. It wasn't an issue to him. Our opinions about players around here mean about as much in reality as someone telling you they hate brussels sprouts.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We're done here if this is what you think all of this boils down to.

Did you even read the original post I made?

 

[Irishguy42]

Did you even read the original post I made?

Yes.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Yes.

In English?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We're done here if this is what you think all of this boils down to.

What I think it boils down to is that points wise we replaced Hayes contributions, plus we added a 1st rounder since the deadline. Hayes has been way overvalued on this forum for a 50 point player.

 

[Thirty One]

Deal Vesey and Names for picks or whatever.

Deal Shatty or dump him in the AHL (he can walk away if he wants to and become an UFA).

Get Fox and sign CURTIS LAZAR as a free agent.

Forget about the big name UFAs.

Kravtsov-Ziba-Buch
Howden-Chytil-Lazar
Lemieux-Lias-Fast
Smith-Strome-Vinny
Staal-TDA
Skjei-Fox
Hajak-Pionk
Geo
Hank

PO team. Questions on this?

Shattenkirk has a NMC. His no-trade clause is limited, but you still can't send him to the minors. Not that I think they would or should anyways.

 

[Zibanejbread]

Deal Vesey and Names for picks or whatever.

Deal Shatty or dump him in the AHL (he can walk away if he wants to and become an UFA).

Get Fox and sign CURTIS LAZAR as a free agent.

Forget about the big name UFAs.

Kravtsov-Ziba-Buch
Howden-Chytil-Lazar
Lemieux-Lias-Fast
Smith-Strome-Vinny
Staal-TDA
Skjei-Fox
Hajak-Pionk
Geo
Hank

PO team. Questions on this?

Where's Kreider?

...also, not a PO team.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Deal Vesey and Names for picks or whatever.

Deal Shatty or dump him in the AHL (he can walk away if he wants to and become an UFA).

Get Fox and sign CURTIS LAZAR as a free agent.

Forget about the big name UFAs.

Kravtsov-Ziba-Buch
Howden-Chytil-Lazar
Lemieux-Lias-Fast
Smith-Strome-Vinny
Staal-TDA
Skjei-Fox
Hajak-Pionk
Geo
Hank

PO team. Questions on this?

I have one: how exactly is this a playoff team?