Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXV

[Thirty One]

I smell that sarcasm, my friend!

Zherdev banged (3) 23+ goal seasons before he was 25.

I’m selling on Buchnevich this summer with every chip in my stack.

Love to sell in poker.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Defenseman “finally” becomes good at 22, took him long enough!

Ridiculous post.

Sorry, asshole. Sarcasm is so cool, right?

He struggled up until the last quarter of the season. Is it half as ridiculous as suggesting an unsigned prospect with 0 experience--free agent, at that, will get "priority" over DeAngelo? Because that's to what it was a response.

That being said, he looked like Ty Domi tonight.

 

[28]

Sorry, *******. Sarcasm is so cool, right?

He struggled up until the last quarter of the season. Is it half as ridiculous as suggesting an unsigned prospect with 0 experience--free agent, at that, will get "priority" over DeAngelo? Because that's to what it was a response.

That being said, he looked like Ty Domi tonight.

Tie

 

[gravey9]

I don't know a ton about Fox, but I'm having Justin Schultz flashbacks.

 

[Barnaby]

Not when Fox can hit free agency. I value the 1st round pick which will be an 18 year old over the 22 year old who projects to be a top 4 RHD. The same kid that can simple go back for his senior year and then become a free agent.

Bob Mckenzie already said it may take a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Not a 1st. Price may drop if it really comes down to Fox wanting to be a Ranger. If he doesnt agree to sign anywhere else then they run the risk of him walking for nothing

I didn't say I'd trade a 1st for him. A 3rd? Sure. A 2nd? Possibly. A 1st? Nope.

I just thought the rationale was odd. You wouldn't trade a pick which is a complete unknown for a guy whose named and is years into his development. Obviously the player would be more of a "known commodity" in this scenario.

 

[Barnaby]

To NYR:
Adam Fox
2020 7th round pick

To Carolina:
2019 3rd round pick

No 7th, no deal.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Someone assure me this guy isn't Pionk 2.0
Don't like what I'm hearing about his skating

 

[Beacon]

we aren't patient enough to wait 3-4 years for our prospects to hit their potential.

Just imagine what would happen if we had to wait not 3-4 years for prospects to hit their prime at the age of 21/22, but 6-8 years until they are 24-26...

 

[Barnaby]

The difference is that Stepan and Mika both signed contracts when they were 25 and could not get protection until they were 27..

They were 25... they also weren't unrestricted free agents which Panarin is.

 

[Barnaby]

Love to sell in poker.

The trick is to build hotels

 

[Alluckks]

Getting another 2020 7th with some D prospect as a throw in? Sign me up buckaroo

 

[Ola]

Someone assure me this guy isn't Pionk 2.0
Don't like what I'm hearing about his skating

Hehe, would that be so bad, 2.0 even?

Seriously though, TDA, Pionk and Fox are all three like what 5'11-6'0 RHS PMDs, but they are a not that similar as players. Fox is definitely the best of the three in a classic stationary PPQB role. He is also much more of a leader and goto player on the ice. TDA is so impressive in how fast he moves the puck, so I don't want to say that Fox is a much superior decision maker overall, but in situations when they hold on to the puck I think Fox is a much superior decision maker if you get what I mean, Fox is really elite with the puck in those situations.

Fox is also both slippery with the puck as well as having a pretty determined side, he is sturdy and has great balance, of course it won't be quite the same in the NHL, but he can go shoulder to shoulder with an opponent and if you aren't prepared for it he will put people on their butts.

Someone mentioned Shattenkirk, in terms of comparing potential careers I think that is a good comparison. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Fox can come in and carry the same type of role as Shattenkirk did. Sometimes we talk about how Shatty has never been more than a PPQB and a 2nd-3rd pairing D. But that isn't quite true either, he had a big role offensively for STL and did really well for a long time. That is not to say that a kid being a carbon copy of Shatty would be great, the game has changed. Shatty was brought into the game by Hitchcock mostly and the objectives wasn't the same as they are today. Today's Ds is expected to take much bigger risks and to join the attack much more, just be a lot more dynamic on the ice.

Of course Fox' skating isn't perfect, kind of like Shatty. He is a bit heavier. But I don't think that has to be a big problem. I think he could handle the defensive side, and he is very agile with the puck. Fox should have potential to become a modern Shatty.

 

[BBKers]

The trick is to build hotels

Building 2 of them right now myself. Hehehe

 

[BBKers]

I HAD A DREAM
Fox, ADA and Trouba on the right
Hajek, one of Rykov/Lindgren/Keane, Staal (=> Miller) on the left
Claesson spare

Smith traded with Retainment or as 14th fwd.
Shatty, Pionk and Skjei dealt in the offseason
Bring a vet LD to camp that the rookies need to beat for a spot
He could be a mentor in HFD if he clears waivers too.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Someone assure me this guy isn't Pionk 2.0
Don't like what I'm hearing about his skating

He’s probably more of a Shattenkirk than a Pionk

 

[Edge]

I like Fox, for what he is. I think he could develop into a valuable offensive-oriented defenseman who plays more of a specialist on a second pair.

However, I think his success will also owe a lot of the environment he's in. He's not a great defender and his decision making away from the puck can leave a lot to be desired. He's a smart player, but he's not necessarily an amazing athlete --- speed, mobility, strength, etc. So the first few years could be a little rough, especially if the team doesn't necessarily have someone who is a human eraser on defense - be it on the right side, or to pair with Fox.

I say that not because the end result might not be worth it, but getting to that result might not be immediate.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I like Fox, for what he is. I think he could develop into a valuable offensive-oriented defenseman who plays more of a specialist on a second pair.

However, I think his success will also owe a lot of the environment he's in. He's not a great defender and his decision making away from the puck can leave a lot to be desired. He's a smart player, but he's not necessarily an amazing athlete --- speed, mobility, strength, etc. So the first few years could be a little rough, especially if the team doesn't necessarily have someone who is a human eraser on defense - be it on the right side, or to pair with Fox.

I say that not because the end result might not be worth it, but getting to that result might not be immediate.

Sounds like someone’s gonna spend lots of time in the Quinn bin.

 

[Ola]

I don't know a ton about Fox, but I'm having Justin Schultz flashbacks.

Lately it feels like I am positive about everyone, but I have a good gut feeling about Fox. I don't think his pros or cons are incorrectly described. But the kid is just so assertive and competitive and poised on the ice, that I think he can handle the tests he will face. Like in the WJCs two years ago, he just had that fight back ability. Raised to the occasion. He kinda plays the way he looks:

Everyone are of course different, but like Schultz and Fox are very different personas on the ice. Not that I know Schultz very well, but he is more Vesey type. Fox is more of a Dubinsky type.

Furthermore, I am not sure that the problem or two defensively Fox can get into is that much about bad calls as it is about maybe trying to do to much at times. I haven't seen him much in College, but in the bigger games in the WJC he was certainly sufficiently conservative.

But like sure, as any PMD he will be stripped of pucks at times, and sometimes someone will go on the outside of him. He wouldn't be perfect. But I think that he is a fairly complete and mature defense men already, and I do think he would be ready from the get go.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I like Fox, for what he is. I think he could develop into a valuable offensive-oriented defenseman who plays more of a specialist on a second pair.

However, I think his success will also owe a lot of the environment he's in. He's not a great defender and his decision making away from the puck can leave a lot to be desired. He's a smart player, but he's not necessarily an amazing athlete --- speed, mobility, strength, etc. So the first few years could be a little rough, especially if the team doesn't necessarily have someone who is a human eraser on defense - be it on the right side, or to pair with Fox.

I say that not because the end result might not be worth it, but getting to that result might not be immediate.

It really does sound like a Ryan Lindgren or Hajek type of defenseman could be a perfect partner for him. Luckily the Rangers have many defensive DFD and TWD LHD prospects that would pair nicely with a player like him.

If you can get Fox for a 3rd rounder or less, it's a win. His skill will make him an NHL'er. However, for those that are comparing him to Pionk, I wouldn't. Fox has twice the skill and smarts of Pionk.

 

[Edge]

Sounds like someone’s gonna spend lots of time in the Quinn bin.

It might be a process. I think its a worthwhile endeavor, but I would expect some bumps, possibly even significant bumps, along the way.

That of course leaves the question of cost. I will admit to being more hesitant to moving our second, or potentially the second we acquired from Dallas.

I'm more comfortable moving Tampa's second, if by some chance it wasn't a first.

 

[GAGLine]

I like Fox, for what he is. I think he could develop into a valuable offensive-oriented defenseman who plays more of a specialist on a second pair.

However, I think his success will also owe a lot of the environment he's in. He's not a great defender and his decision making away from the puck can leave a lot to be desired. He's a smart player, but he's not necessarily an amazing athlete --- speed, mobility, strength, etc. So the first few years could be a little rough, especially if the team doesn't necessarily have someone who is a human eraser on defense - be it on the right side, or to pair with Fox.

I say that not because the end result might not be worth it, but getting to that result might not be immediate.

The bolded is what I want for this team, more than anything. Many people seem to focus on offensive numbers, but give me the big, tough defender who can shut down the other team, clear the crease, win board battles and get the puck up to the forwards. If he can put up points too, great, but I want, and what this team desperately needs, is a guy who can play big minutes against the other teams' top players.

 

[Edge]

It really does sound like a Ryan Lindgren or Hajek type of defenseman could be a perfect partner for him. Luckily the Rangers have many defensive DFD and TWD LHD prospects that would pair nicely with a player like him.

If you can get Fox for a 3rd rounder or less, it's a win. His skill will make him an NHL'er. However, for those that are comparing him to Pionk, I wouldn't. Fox has twice the skill and smarts of Pionk.

Fox is a more skilled player than Pionk and significantly more advanced at the same stage of development. I don't think he has that "it" factor that ADA has though.

You're correct in the sense that I think you'd need someone who projects (or who is) more of that steady stay at home type. Ironically enough, if you find the right pairing, a guy like Fox has the potential to be equally beneficial to a guy who does his best when he can keep things fairly simple.

 

[Ola]

Sounds like someone’s gonna spend lots of time in the Quinn bin.

He is a bright and heady kid, think he will be fine!

He isn't the fastest skater, that is the only real cloud in the sky that I see. The rest don't worry me at all.

 

[TheTakedown]

So if he actually wanted NHL ice time he would have to sign a PTO then...

 

[True Blue]

The bolded is what I want for this team, more than anything. Many people seem to focus on offensive numbers, but give me the big, tough defender who can shut down the other team, clear the crease, win board battles and get the puck up to the forwards. If he can put up points too, great, but I want, and what this team desperately needs, is a guy who can play big minutes against the other teams' top players.

Agreed on the need. One of the many reasons I believe that the choice needs to be Bryram.