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Fair point, but this is his outlier season. Hence when you talk about replacing his production, you normally look to replace the average, not the outliers
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Fair point, but this is his outlier season. Hence when you talk about replacing his production, you normally look to replace the average, not the outliers
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Agree - I guess I am just hoping that this isn't a true outlier and that he's unlocked some magic that will be with him for seasons to come.
I want Laf in the top six in any position because of development reasons but if I'm being honest...he's just not good enough right now. It has nothing to do with LW or RW. If Blais was still in the lineup GG would be having a real tough time trying to find a spot for Laf.
Zib, Panarin, Kreider, Strome, Laff, Kakko. This is their top 6 for the foreseeable future. Gallant and Drury need to find a way to figure it the flip out and make it work.
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The team is currently built around a core of 28-30 year old forwards and 21-26 year old defensemen.
Until we start seeing more from young forwards that's gonna be the core we go to battle with.
2 and a half more seasons at least with Kreider, Panarin, Zib, Trouba as the leadership core. Maybe Strome if he stays.
Figuring out when we can replace higher cap hit players who might start to eventually decline is an art form. But the kids haven't give us anything to work with yet.
Until we start seeing more from young forwards that's gonna be the core we go to battle with.
2 and a half more seasons at least with Kreider, Panarin, Zib, Trouba as the leadership core. Maybe Strome if he stays.
Figuring out when we can replace higher cap hit players who might start to eventually decline is an art form. But the kids haven't give us anything to work with yet.
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The way to make it work may well be to spread those top 6 forwards around three lines, rather than loading them all into two.
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NMC for both Trouba and Kreider until 7/1/2024. That is this offseason and next offseason where they fully control where they go or can veto a trade.
Neither are being moved this summer. If one was, trading Buchnevich was singlehandedly the dumbest thing done by this franchise in a very very long time. It's up there at the moment, but would go beyond that if a transaction to get more cap space is made.
Neither are being moved this summer. If one was, trading Buchnevich was singlehandedly the dumbest thing done by this franchise in a very very long time. It's up there at the moment, but would go beyond that if a transaction to get more cap space is made.
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for 2022-23, get me a competent center for the 3rd line:
CK - MZ - SB
AP - RS - BG
AL - New Center - KK
The 3rd line HAS to be given the instructions of going out and creating offensive. We cannot be a two line team and expect to have post season success.
The idea that the 3rd line has to be a shut down line is antiquated. All four lines should be responsible in their own zone. But if you have the 1st and 2nd OA picks (picked for their offensive ability) focusing too much of their energies trying NOT to make mistakes, then you are taking them out of their comfort zones and handicapping their effectiveness.
Let the offensive players play offense
CK - MZ - SB
AP - RS - BG
AL - New Center - KK
The 3rd line HAS to be given the instructions of going out and creating offensive. We cannot be a two line team and expect to have post season success.
The idea that the 3rd line has to be a shut down line is antiquated. All four lines should be responsible in their own zone. But if you have the 1st and 2nd OA picks (picked for their offensive ability) focusing too much of their energies trying NOT to make mistakes, then you are taking them out of their comfort zones and handicapping their effectiveness.
Let the offensive players play offense
They can still flourish on the Rangers. It's wild that any NYR fan would want them to do well somewhere else just to say "Look I was right, this organization is the worst and a complete failure. I can't wait to keep watching the rest of the season and beyond to see how badly they do."
Both Kakko and Laf are still young, they're still learning to play in the NHL believe it or not. Neither were completely developed players or humans when they were drafted and they still aren't. Would everyone have liked both of them to be 60+ point guys out the gate? Of course. Does it feel disappointing given draft positions? I guess. According to some of the posters in the know around here, there isn't much imminent concern in hockey circles about how Kakko/Laf are progressing so I'm more inclined to exercise patience with their development. There are flashes and Laf has had some pretty big moments. I have faith that eventually both of them will turn that into consistent play, but it will take time and patience to handle the growing pains that will happen.
They're doing that now and everyone's hair is on fire because Laff isn't playing top 6. I don't see Gallant breaking up the Kreider & Mika or the Panarin & Strome pairs which is why i think either Kreider of Laff need to get comfortable on the right side.
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The easiest solution is finding a trade partner for Nemeth. I would not be opposed to seeing is someone would be looking to swap a 3rd/4th line type with him on a similar deal. Helps with some issues up front in terms of depth and allows the young LHD in the system the chance to come up.
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Where did I say that? If the Rangers are replacing Kreider for next year they need to replace an expected 25-30 goals not an expected 45 goals. If you're expecting him to score at a 45 goal pace next year your expectations are outrageous.
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This team should have pulled the trigger on the Sam Bennett deal that was rumored around this time last season. He would have been a good fit for the identity this team is trying to build. Not to mention he's locked up on a 4.4m cap hit for the next 4 years.
How good would a Laf-Bennett-Blais line have looked? Size, skill, tenacity. I think Laf would benefit from playing with those type of players to let him focus more on his offense.
How good would a Laf-Bennett-Blais line have looked? Size, skill, tenacity. I think Laf would benefit from playing with those type of players to let him focus more on his offense.
Also, if they get moved and go on a tear it's a much bigger black eye to the org because it shows they develop players for shit. They were consensus picks at their position, you can't blame them for making those selections.
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It would be an EXTREMELY high-risk move for Drury to trade either, from a personal standpoint. If they go out and also do what Buch is doing, that has Mike Milbury career-killing potential.
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Outrageous is a bizarre way to explain that, considering he's actually on pace for 55, halfway through the season. He's not getting lucky bounces either. He's been a streaky player his whole career and all of a sudden he's become Mr. Reliable. It may seem odd to some, but power forwards hitting their prime in their late 20's is actually more common then you think. Do I think he'll be a perennial 50 goal scorer? No, but to expect to only need to replace 25 a season going forward is just as "outrageous" in my opinion.
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Spot on. And believe it or not, the one that has the most impact right now is the lack of progress from Filip Chytil. That's not to say he won't eventually live up to his potential, but doing so now would have bought at least one more season while he is under contract for cheap (2.2M or whatever it is), and it would have alleviated the pressure the Rangers now feel to keep Strome. On the one hand, they have no viable 2C option post-Strome, so they almost have to re-sign him or risk a dramatic step back from the team next season with a big old hole at 2C. On the other hand, that goes against all of the big flashing warning signs on the negative impacts that would have on the cap moving forward. It's asking for some serious future trouble - as in losing a kid or two to offer sheets, being forced to trade them, etc. Strome's a fine player, seems like a good guy in the locker room, and has obviously meant a lot more to this organization than anyone bargained for, but he's just not a guy that should take precedence. I don't know what the real solution here is, but it's not that IMO. Hopefully Drury has some kind of voodoo magic up his sleeve to help it all come together.
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